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Date Posted: 10:28:52 03/17/06 Fri
Author: Reverend Orlando G Hughes
Subject: Re: End Time One World Church?
In reply to: KC 's message, "End Time One World Church?" on 13:10:14 10/15/02 Tue

This action of the IRS and the Bush administration, if valid, is a direct plight against the N.T. Church. I totally disagree w/ their concept and process. It memtions in the Word how there would be on eattempting this NEW WORLD ORDER. It is going to take all the true Christians to pray and take a stand on this issue. I pray that all who are reading the article respond to this degradation of our faith.

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[> Re: End Time One World Church? -- Imani, 19:36:00 08/30/06 Wed

>Could This be the beginning of a one religious system?
>The article below was written by the "The Trumpet" a
>denominational publication. It contains eye opening
>remarks designed to awaken the mind, and I'm sure it
>will yours as well! The article is quite long but
>worth the read. God bless. KC
>
AM INTERESTED IN INFO ON PASTORING NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH. AM ORDAINED. IMANI.
>
>Internal Revenue Service:
>PASTORS MUST BE ORDAINED BY THE IRS
>by Dr. Greg J. Dixon, Editor for "The Trumpet".
>
>September 1, 2002
>
>The most prominent and successful certified public
>accountant firm in the
>nation today, that specializes in keeping churches out
>of trouble with the
>Internal Revenue Service, is now boldly saying to the
>pastors of America
>that according to the Bush admininstration, they not
>only have to be
>"ordained by God, but also the IRS."
>
>They also say that the IRS is dictating terms to the
>churches by declaring
>in clear and no uncertain terms that, "The government
>doesn't want your
>Bible, they want your checkbook!" In seminars all over
>the US, Chitwood and
>Chitwood of Chattanooga, Tennessee, is repeating this
>startling announcement
>to pastors and church leaders throughout the land.
>Without so much as a
>blush, Michael Chitwood, the main speaker, says,
>besides the above quotes,
>"Pastor, if you don't get your church in order and
>play ball with the
>government, get ready, you are going to have a jail
>ministry like it or
>not!" As he practically screams out to those present
>as to what pastors and
>church leaders must do to avoid jail time and the
>confiscation of church
>property by the federal government. If you are a
>mainstream church or a
>large television ministry, bowing to the government
>demands you will be
>fine, but if you are a independent church interested
>in Bibical truth you
>are most likly headed for very big trouble.
>
>Besides giving the pastor a new job description, which
>is based very heavely
>on the Roman Catholic model of worship and polity, the
>governemnt is
>demanding many other things that are designed to make
>the IRS the new head
>of the churches in America. Some of these demands are
>as follows:
>
> A church must collect a Federal ID number from all
>visiting
> visiting evangelists, missionaries, preachers and
>singers or musical
> personel before they are allowed to be invite to the
>pulpit.
>
> They must give Form 1099 to any minister who
>receives up to $600 in
> a years time, which includes missionary support. If
>the ID is not
> received, the church leaders must withhold a
>jeopardy assessment of
> 50% on the spot and send it to the IRS.
>
> They must agree to the IRS definition of
>benevolence. They cannot
> deal in cash at any level, but must deposit all
>offerings into a
> checking account and write checks for every purpose.
>This means, of
> course, that the church, in order to conduct its
>ministry, has to
> have an Employer Identification Number which must be
>provided by the
> IRS by filing Form SS-4 which a true New Testament
>church could never
> do and remain obedient to her Lord. In fact, church
>leaders would have
> to misrepresent the church as a licenced
>organization rather than a
> N.T. Church to do so.
>
> Other things that pastors and church leaders are
>required to do are
> to be an informer against their members in the case
>of confession or
> confidence, and also to preach only sermon topics on
>a approved state
> issued list. Also, all fund raising material must be
>submitted
> to the IRS for their approval prior to any fund
>raising activity.
>
>The job description for pastors is a list of nine
>specific sacerdotal duties
>which again is a Roman Catholic definition meaning
>sacred. The Catholic
>church teaches that these sacraments, when
>administered by a priest, are
>essential to ones salvation. This is totally opposite
>to the Bible
>definition which states that baptism and communion are
>memorials of the
>death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus
>Christ, and that they
>follow salvation. The nine duties are: baptisms,
>weddings, serving the
>Eucharist (the Catholic sacrament of communion),
>teaching , spiritual
>counseling, christenings or baby dedications,
>administration of church
>affairs and the regular conducting of worship
>services. If the pastor does a
>substantial number of these things, he will receive
>very lucrative tax
>breaks. This is in clear violation of the scriptures
>concerning the doctrine
>of the Nicolaitanes which the Lord Jesus said that He
>hates (Rev. 2:6,
>2:15). It is the setting up of a privileged class of
>clergy with benefits
>from the state that lay members and independent clergy
>do not receive.
>Others who minister to the church in the area of
>music, youth, homelessness,
>children, education and other areas of responsibility
>don't qualify.
>
>This is consistent with what officials of the IRS told
>Attorney David Gibbs
>of the Christian Law Association (CLA) in 1985 when
>they said that their
>definition of church is "once per week adult worship."
>They said that they
>did not consider such ministries as Sunday school,
>Christian school, busses,
>youth camp, vacation Bible school, nursing home,
>outreach, weekday Bible
>study, etc., to fall within their definition of the
>word "church". This
>Gibbs/IRS meeting took place in Washington, DC at the
>time that the so
>called champion of Christian liberty was hammering out
>a compromise with the
>Dole Committee (Sen. Bob Dole-R-Kansas) in the US
>Senate to bring the
>churches into compliance with the FICA tax (social
>security) laws. This was
>the deal that would eventually cause the raid and
>seizure of a Baptist
>church 17 years later. It's too bad that Gibbs didn't
>sound the alarm at
>that time and call the Bible believing pastors
>together for a summit meeting
>to map out a strategy that could have possibly saved
>our churches and
>ministries. The unregistered church pastors tried, but
>unfortunately our
>words fell on deaf ears. The so called "big T.V."
>preachers were too busy
>receiving their tax deductible gifts and building
>their empires to be
>concerned over the future of God's work. Now the
>enemies of Christ have
>sprung the trap and it is too late.
>
>These requirements should be intolerable enough by
>just the fact that the
>IRS would even dare to suggest duties for pastors, but
>to impose under the
>penalty of imprisonment and confiscation of property
>the same
>responsibilities of Roman Catholic priests is nothing
>short of naked
>tyranny. Obviously, the inquisition has returned and
>the pastors and
>churches of America are not even aware that it has
>arrived, they are to busy
>falling overthemselvs trying to heep platatudes on the
>current
>administration. The raid and seizure of the property
>of the Baptist church
>is the direct result of the pastors and church
>refusing to bow down to this
>new wave of terror that has come upon our land. The
>issue in the Baptist
>church case isn't taxes as the IRS, with the help of
>the media, has led the
>people of Indianapolis and nation to believe. The
>issue is very simple. Will
>the churches of America bow down to the government
>through the IRS in
>violation of the first commandment, "Thou shalt have
>no other gods before
>me," or will they bow down to the Lord Jesus Christ?
>Our Lord said, "No man
>can serve two masters: for either he will hate the
>one, and love the other;
>or else he will hold to the one, and despise the
>other. Ye cannot serve God
>and mammon" (Matthew 6:24). The purge is now on as we
>hear of churches and
>ministries being closed on a regular basis. But there
>is still no evidence
>that the pastors have awakened from their stupor.
>
>The benevolent requirements for churches are beyond
>atrocious. They are five
>in number: food, clothing, housing, medical
>emergencies and utilities. The
>church cannot help with transportation or auto repairs
>and a myriad of other
>things that churches have historically done on a
>regular basis. The church
>cannot make loans to the pastor, members, or others
>which churches have
>always done. Obviously, they want to make sure that
>the money lenders get
>their profits even from the poor. Can you imagine the
>government of the US
>limiting a church as to its duties in regarding
>charitable activity? There
>is no subject in the Bible that is nearer to the heart
>of God than charity.
>According to the apostle James, it is the test of pure
>religion (James
>1:27). Paul the Apostle declares that charity is of
>higher value even than
>preaching and sacrifice (I Cor. 13:1-3). For the
>churches to debase such a
>high and noble service to Christ by submitting its
>administration to the
>wicked is beyond belief. How will the preachers of
>America give an account
>of caving into this coercion by an abusive Bush
>administration? How will
>church leaders face the Lord Jesus at the Judgment
>Seat of Christ when He
>asks them why they violated His clear commands
>concerning alms giving? He
>said, "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men,
>to be seen of them:
>otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in
>heaven. Therefore
>when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet
>before thee, as the
>hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets,
>that they may have glory
>of men, Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
>But when thou doest
>alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand
>doeth: That thine alms
>may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret
>himself shall reward
>thee openly." But now the churches are required to get
>the permission of the
>IRS before helping someone other than in the manner
>and purpose that they
>approve. Then records will have to be kept for the IRS
>so that the publicans
>can make sure that the church is in fact following
>their guidelines. And, of
>course, they expect church leaders to report this alms
>giving to the IRS so
>that they can even gouge the poor for more tribute.
>And all of this so the
>churches can keep their tax exemption and the people
>can get their precious
>tax deductions for their tithes and gifts. As James
>Dobson's organization
>said when challenged, "It's just good stewardship."
>Thievery, good
>stewardship? How sad.
>
>It may well be that the churches have now gone too
>far. When they begin
>building their dynasties on the backs of the poor our
>Lord, no doubt, will
>be swift in His removal of their candlestick. He said
>to the church at
>Ephesus, "Remember therefore from whence thou art
>fallen, and repent, and do
>the first works: or else I will come unto thee
>quickly, and will remove thy
>candlestick out of his place, except thou repent"
>(Rev. 2:5).
>
>All Churches Now Required to Join government Super
>Church
>
>Two other developments concerning governemnt control
>of churches has risen
>recently that should literally send shock waves
>through the religious
>community. First, while the churches are arguing
>doctrinal positions among
>themselves, and won't even spit on each other for the
>most part, the IRS has
>now developed its own super church. Independent
>Baptists in particular pride
>themselves in their anti-ecumenism. No fundamentalist
>preacher worth his
>salt would be caught dead at the local church
>federation meeting where he
>has to rub shoulders with a charismatic or liberal
>preacher. However, they
>don't think twice about paying a large fee to go to a
>Chitwood or CLA
>seminar and sit next to one of these religious
>outcasts to learn how to be a
>good government approved church and pastor.
>
>It is now a fact that in order to get and keep the
>tax-exempt status a
>church must agree that all religions are equal. The
>new Application for
>Recognition of Exemption Form 1023 Schedule A for
>Churches (Rev. September
>2000) demands a declaration to this effect with the
>following words at point
>#3: "Does the organization require prospective members
>to renounce other
>religious beliefs or their membership in other
>churches or religious orders
>to become members? Yes__ No__. If "Yes," describe."
>
>It doesn't take much intelligence to figure out where
>they are going with
>this. In order to be considered a legal church (tax
>exempt) in America, the
>church or religious organization will have to declare
>that all religions are
>equal. They will also have to declare that they do not
>believe that their
>doctrinal position only results in converts to their
>faith having eternal
>life. They must renounce this narrow inclusivist
>position. Maybe we now know
>why Billy Graham, Robert Schuller, Pat Robertson, and
>other TV preachers
>have been making such fuzzy remarks about adherents of
>other religions,
>though sincere, going to heaven without receiving
>Christ. In that tax
>exemption is government subsidy, according to the
>Supreme Court in the Bob
>Jones University case, it is now clear that the US
>government will not
>support any religion that clings to the narrow minded
>belief that salvation
>is in Jesus Christ alone. Remember? "Come Shekels,
>Come Shackles." The world
>church isn't coming; it is already here, and the
>preachers don't have a clue
>as they go merrily along hand in hand with the Great
>Harlot to the wedding
>with the anti-Christ. (Rev. 17).
>
>US Government Through the IRS Outlaws Preaching on
>Second Coming of Christ
>
>One of the reasons the IRS gave to Texe Marr's Living
>Truth Ministries for
>removing their tax exempt status is as follows: "Much
>of the material you
>disseminate promises to address possible conspiracies
>or threats, either
>from individuals, groups or various agencies, against
>Christianity, freedom
>or other rights. This is evident from a review of your
>newsletters and order
>forms. The titles and promotional materials are
>designed to sensationalize
>and grab the readers attention. They usually imply
>that the works will
>expose certain prominent groups, individuals,
>politicians or government
>agencies as being part of or linked to some threat or
>conspiracy." One of
>the titles that the IRS gave as an example included
>"Bible Prophecy and The
>Conspiracy."
>
>Any grade school child in Sunday School knows that you
>can't teach or write
>on Bible prophecy without dealing with the second
>coming of Jesus Christ.
>But just as the Russian pastors under communism were
>forbidden to speak on
>this subject, we are now coming to the same place in
>our beloved land. It is
>obvious that if one believes in the literal return of
>the Lord Jesus Christ
>that they will be considered a domestic terrorist. In
>that the Lord Jesus
>will destroy wicked government upon His return in
>great glory and break the
>back of Gentile world rule, this message isn't popular
>with the in-for-hells
>and the high-heeled-belles that run our country today.
>Of course, they don't
>believe that He is coming, but they believe that we
>who do will be involved
>in what they call self-fulfilled prophecies and try to
>hasten His coming by
>blowing up everything in sight. Further evidence of
>this type of anti-Christ
>thinking surfaced recently when a brochure put out by
>the FBI in Phoenix,
>Arizona, named "potential domestic terrorists" that
>law enforcement should
>be aware of. One of those groups is
>"Doomsday/Cult-Type." Obviously, this
>would include all Bible believing preachers and
>churches in America. We not
>only believe that there will be a literal doomsday, we
>believe that the Lord
>Jesus Christ will bring the doom when He comes (Rev.
>6:12-17). It won't do
>any good to claim that your church is not a "cult".
>The IRS definition fits
>the average Bible believing church to a tee.
>
>Many have asked if we can actually show them this in
>the law. Our answer is
>no, we can't because you won't find a specific law
>that says that you can't
>preach on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ in America
>today. That's because
>they don't have to write a law to gain the same
>effect. All Congress has to
>do is to give an outlaw agency like the IRS a carte
>blanche privilege of
>making up their own so-called laws as they go along.
>The churches agreed to
>this when they signed their tax-exempt contract. They
>said that they would
>obey all laws, federal, state and local, presently and
>in the future. But
>they apparently didn't read the fine print. The new
>churches filing for tax
>exemption must agree to the following: "The
>Corporation or organization
>shall have no power to take any action that would be
>required for a tax
>exemption under Internal Revenue
>
>Code Section 501(c)(3) and related regulations,
>rulings, and procedures." It
>is now the "procedure" of the IRS to refuse tax exempt
>status to those
>churches that will not agree that all religions are
>equal and who refuse to
>join through tax exemption, the world church. Also,
>preaching on Christ's
>coming is taboo.
>
>For those churches which are foolish enough to believe
>that Sec. 508 of the
>IRS code allows an automatic exemption for churches,
>need to read it again.
>It doesn't say "exemption," it says, "...churches have
>a mandatory
>exception." The exception is from filing a Form 1023
>to make application for
>not for profit status. Here is the kicker. Churches
>have to abide by the
>same rules that those that do file for this privilege.
>And if they do not,
>the IRS can, and most assuredly will, remove their tax
>exemption. The only
>thing missing is the annual Form 990 that other
>religious organizations have
>to file. When this is required, the churches will be
>under total control of
>the IRS with no wiggle room.
>
>In the Baptist Temple court case, the church learned
>that a New Testament
>Church does not legally exist in the US today because
>there are no longer
>any First Amendment protections left. The genius of
>the First Amendment and
>various religious freedom clauses of the fifty states
>is that, for the first
>time in history, a N. T. Church could exist legally
>without having in the
>words of the IRS a "distinct legal existence." Now
>even a N.T. Church will
>be assigned by force the legal status of an
>association and will be expected
>to meet the same standards that the not for profits
>have to meet. But, they
>still won't have their God given right of a
>non-taxable status. This status
>is in contrast to an exempt status which is a
>privilege not a right.
>
>IRS Agent Says That Churches are Trapped
>
>The evidence as to what we are saying, though denied
>by most preachers, was
>made clear on January 24 this year in Tampa, Florida.
>IRS agent Melvin
>Blough testified in federal court that "once a church
>obtains the status of
>501(c)(3) under the IRC they are trapped. The only way
>to be removed from a
>501(c)(3) status is if the IRS chooses to remove the
>exemption. So if you
>dissolve the corporation and continue on as ABC
>church, an unincorporated
>church, you're still trapped in their web and under
>their control." He
>further testified that a church is automatically
>exempt under federal law
>without a 501(c)(3) designation. He also stated under
>oath that churches
>request the status just to get the governments stamp
>of approval. Even
>though Blough used the word "exemption" rather than
>"exception," he is
>essentially correct in his assessment of the plight of
>the churches of
>America. It is obvious that, regardless, the result is
>the same.
>
>For more information on how to pastor a N.T. Church
>contact The Trumpet.

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[> [> Re: End Time One World Church? -- KC St Amant, 15:34:23 09/04/06 Mon

If Father has led you here your ministry is valid. It's not up to man to validate you, only God. Bless you as you serve Him. May He Bless you greatly.

KC

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[> [> [> Re: End Time One World Church? -- Howard Nicholson, 20:36:41 12/15/06 Fri

>If Father has led you here your ministry is valid.>you as you serve Him. May He Bless you greatly.
>
>KC
All along with ministers being recorded by the state is control. I belive only in what Bible says. the Church of Christ has no need to register members or ministers with the state. Each congregation are responsible for all its worship and conduct. satan uses the government to manipulate and control Christians, and we are to be only controled by Christ and His Word. Any compromise with the world is formula for defeat. Never give into the government (communists) now or satan who rules most of them. We are in the time when satan working thru so many to put all into godless kingdom of his.

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[> [> [> [> Re: End Time One World Church? -- KC, 23:23:25 12/15/06 Fri

Howard, I agree with you completely with everything you have stated. I have known for some time the interworkings of the serpent. Pray for this work and thank you.

KC

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