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Date Posted: 03:59:28 01/27/10 Wed
Author: MaryAnne
Subject: Re: A lot of people are telling Obama to come to work
In reply to: Paul Davis 's message, "A lot of people are telling Obama to come to work" on 18:27:06 01/24/10 Sun

The DOW began to drop as soon as Obama took on the banks.

What do you think will really happen to the big banks.Not much is my bet.

If they do not get a decnet Health care bill through the Democrats will go down this year.After watching the debate in the Senate of the bill,I was amazed at the petty,little men in the Senate.

One woman Congress person said,"If they would send the men home they would get a bill." I am not too sure of that either, because I have never seen too many Diva's posture and preen,as if their word was Gospel when most of them have no idea what the real problems are in this Country.



>
>You don't get elected as a populist, then kiss up to
>big money as much as possible, and retain much
>popularity.
>
>He's learning that the bankers are a very popular
>political target. Right now, he's making the same
>mistake a lot of people make, that the DOW is the
>economy, and being very cautious about anything that
>would drop the DOW. Worldwide, stimulus money is
>being cut back, and that's going to bottom out the DOW
>in a few months. You can expect some really rough
>bank action at that point, when the DOW just isn't a
>problem any more, because it has already dropped.
>
>
>>
>>I would not take that bet either,Paul. The MSM is
>>already shouting the words.
>>
>>Have I become so cynical that I do not see a lot of
>>change from either side?
>>
>>Obama just made a speech in Northern Ohio.All I heard
>>were stock answers.Nothing concrete about what will
>>happen.
>>
>>A friend of mine was writing a letter to the
>>Whitehouse,telling him that he has traveled all
>>over,seen the world in the last year and now it is
>>time to get off Air Force 1 and go to work. She is not
>>a fan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I would definetly be intrested in the scorecard for
>>>the mideast..
>>>
>>>And I wouldnt take that bet.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Any takers?
>>>>
>>>>If y'all like, I'll post a scorecard I wrote up for
>>>>the MidEast, to explain the basic religo/politico
>>>>structure here. If you read it, you'll be able to
>>>>answer the questions:
>>>>
>>>>Is Al Qaeda a Sunni or Shiite organization? The
>>>>Taliban? Who do they really look up to as an
>>example?
>>>> And what can we expect from Iran.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Good points, Jeff,but we would not be in such deep
>>>doo
>>>>>doo if we had not entered two wars without paying
>>for
>>>>>them. Now,I see the Adminstration is doing the same
>>>>>thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>If the war is ended soon I will agree,but I do not
>>>>>think it will. I see this Administration just
>>>>>following along with what we have had the last 8
>>>>years.
>>>>>
>>>>>You will have to excuse me, I am not thrilled with
>>>>>either party at this time.And I blame Congress for
>>>>>most of it, with Obama sharing some of the blame.I
>>>>>think he is trying,but the Lobbyists are too much
>in
>>>>>control. His secret deal with PHARMA and the
>>>Insurance
>>>>>companies at the beginning was a big mistake.
>>>>>On the financial mess I think he is doing OK.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am for increasing the troop strength in
>>>>Afghanistan.
>>>>>>What we cant do is walk away from this as if it
>>>didnt
>>>>>>happen. We have done it before and what we get is
>>>>>>having to go back in years from now again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So although I long for peace.... unless we are
>>>>willing
>>>>>>to shut our borders period, we wont have it unless
>>>we
>>>>>>follow through in Afghanistan. We can end the wars
>>>>but
>>>>>>we have to end them the correct way. Abandoning
>the
>>>>>>peoples of these countries to the despots that
>will
>>>>>>take control if we do leave is the wrong answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Second.. do you really think that money for the
>war
>>>>>>would have been spent on education and healthcare?
>>>We
>>>>>>didnt spend that money there during the economic
>>>boom
>>>>>>periods.. why would we do so in any other time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am not a Tom Hayden fan,but he makes sense in
>>>this
>>>>>>>one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dear Mary,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As another year of war rolls in, I want to thank
>>>PDA
>>>>>>>for its continuing pressure on the pillars of
>>power
>>>>>>>which prevents these wars from escalating further
>>>>and
>>>>>>>poses an important political obstacle to the
>>>>Pentagon
>>>>>>>and Administration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It’s not simple. Study is required, to be sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But the Long War of fifty years against Muslim
>>>>>>>countries where radical Islamists operate, and
>>>where
>>>>>>>the oil flows through tankers and pipelines, is
>>not
>>>>>>>hard to grasp. That’s a continuous war through 13
>>>>>>>future American presidential elections.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If Bilmes and Stiglitz project a three trillion
>>>>>dollar
>>>>>>>cost for Iraq and Afghanistan, you have to wonder
>>>>>>>where the money is coming from. It’s from
>>education
>>>>>>>and health care, for starters. If 6,274 Americans
>>>>>have
>>>>>>>died in Iraq and Afghanistan thus far, it’s not
>>>hard
>>>>>>>to imagine 10,000 dead by Obama’s second term.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is, if the president wins a second term. The
>>>>>hope
>>>>>>>of the Obama presidency depends on ending these
>>>>wars.
>>>>>>>The hope of our domestic agenda depends on ending
>>>>>>>these wars as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Obama has offered us a centrist proposal, to
>which
>>>>we
>>>>>>>should pay close attention. On the one hand, he
>is
>>>>>>>sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, which
>>we
>>>>>>>should urge Congress to oppose by supporting
>>>Barbara
>>>>>>>Lee’s HR 3699 (to cut funding) and Jim McGovern’s
>>>HR
>>>>>>>2404 (exit strategy). On the other hand, he
>>>proposes
>>>>>>>to begin withdrawing troops in 18 months, which
>we
>>>>>>>should support and hold him to. No one in the
>>>>>anti-war
>>>>>>>movement supports the President’s escalation, but
>>>we
>>>>>>>should be very aware that his withdrawal plan,
>>>>>however
>>>>>>>weak, is his concession to the peace movement and
>>>is
>>>>>>>absolutely loathed by the Long War advocates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don’t forget Iraq, where the president is on
>track
>>>>to
>>>>>>>withdraw all American troops, and where political
>>>>>>>ambushes lie ahead. Nor Pakistan and Yemen, where
>>>>>>>secret wars, secret deaths and secret costs are
>>>>being
>>>>>>>hidden by the master of secret operations, Gen.
>>>>>>>McChrystal (whose five years in Iraq are
>>>>classified).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Cheneys and Liebermans and Fox News want to
>>>>chase
>>>>>>>al-Qaeda from Iraq to Afghanistan to Pakistan to
>>>>>Yemen
>>>>>>>in a weird revival of the old domino theory. It’s
>>>>>>>almost as if our hawks are agents of al-Qaeda, so
>>>>>>>thoroughly do they pursue the al-Qaeda strategy
>of
>>>>>>>exhausting the American economy and stretching
>our
>>>>>>>armed forces to the breaking point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here are two ways you can help the peace effort
>go
>>>>>>>forward: first, sign and circulate this petition
>>>and
>>>>>>>join The Peace Exchange (for now, go to my
>>website,
>>>>>>>www.tomhayden.com). In addition to pressuring
>>>>>Congress
>>>>>>>and the administration, these are ways to link up
>>>>>with
>>>>>>>a global peace alliance pressuring the NATO war
>>>>>>>alliance, city by city, country by country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you for persevering for peace. The Long War
>>>>>will
>>>>>>>require a longer peace and justice movement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For peace and justice,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom Hayden
>>>>>>>PDA Advisory Board member

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