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Date Posted: 06:01:46 08/07/03 Thu
Author: Ray
Subject: Re: Circumcision of the heart or circumcision of the flesh?
In reply to: Eliyahu 's message, "Circumcision of the heart or circumcision of the flesh?" on 01:23:00 10/04/02 Fri

First an excerpt of the webpage Eliyahu reccomended.

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Eliyahu

There are two kinds of people; those who are circumcised and those who are uncircumcised. But the amazing thing is that the uncircumcised ones declare that they are the real circumcised ones.

With this they follow Paul who says: "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;" Romans 2:28-29

So if we have to believe the New Testament then those who are circumcised are the uncircumcised ones, and those who are uncircumcised are the circumcised ones. This is, of course, idiocy.

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Ray
The wisdom of God is foolishness to some. I see the wisdom in what Paul is saying here. If you don't it must mean that we are not looking at it the same way.
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Eliyahu
This is about the same as when the Muslims would claim they are the real Christians.
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Ray
I never heard that claim.
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Eliyahu
The reality is of course that the uncircumcised are uncircumcised. And whatever somebody believes about the opposite has no bearing on reality what so ever.
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Ray
The reality is that one can be circumcised in the flesh but still be an uncircumcised heathen in his heart. And one can be uncircumcised in the flesh and yet be a true son of Abraham.
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Eliyahu

And we see in the real world that the "circumcision of the flesh", which is the only true circumcision, can literally save somebody's life.
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Ray

And we see in God's Word that the circumcision of the heart is the only one that can literally save someone's immortal soul.
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Eliyahu

If anybody wants to know why the New Testament which turns good into bad, light into darkness, monothe�sm into idolatry, circumcision into non-circumcision, should not be taken seriously,....
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Ray

Thanks for the offer Eliyahu but I'll take a raincheck on that one, OK?

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Paul was entitled to his opinion, but it's NOT Jesus' teaching. -- QUITTNER, 11:40:59 08/18/03 Mon
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