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Subject: Good Point


Author:
Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 17:59:40 12/02/04 Thu
In reply to: Nick (UK) 's message, "Future Navy" on 17:50:04 12/02/04 Thu

You do have a point. There is indeed a growing consensus in the defence world that traditional naval power with traditional sea-battles, are a thing of the past, given that the destroyer’s role nowadays is merely a combination of air-defence and a mobile missile platform. However, these are generally the same people who say that heavy armour is a thing of the past also.

Contemporary theory dictates that all future wars will involve air-power and highly mobile, light ground forces, and that the main battle tank is an anachronism. I believe this to be folly, as light forces are only effective against light opposition. Even the conflict in Iraq vindicated the main battle tank.

I believe that naval assets are the key to power projection, rather than self-defence, and I think this still holds true.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Maybe you are right but...


Author:
Paddy (Scotland)
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Date Posted: 20:01:51 12/02/04 Thu

Like I have said before, a strong Navy is an insurance policy.

Hindsight is a dangerous thing indeed. I would agree that since the implosion of the USSR a lot of our ships have been over-potent for their used role.

I feel, though, that Britain's close ties (far from being merely historical and romantic) with the Commonwealth dictate that we must keep up sufficient forces to mount a serious expedition to a trouble spot anywhere on the globe (say, to counter an invasion of Australia - Oz sent an army to the other side of the world in our hour of need!).

A few years ago a large mainly Royal Navy task force

HMS Albion
HMS Invincible
HMS Iron Duke
HMS Manchester
HMS Sir Galahad
HMS Sir Tristram
HMS Sir Percival
HMS Fort George
HMS Fort Rosalie

Commando Helicopter Force Headquarters
845 squadron Naval Air Station (NAS) (Sea-King)
846 squadron NAS (Sea-King)
847 squadron NAS (Lynx- and Gazelle)
849 Bravo Fleet
Special Boat Service Task Group Headquarters
17 Port & Maritime Det RLC
Brambleleaf
Oakleaf
Naval Home Guard AREA 1592: 4 Cutters


was simulating an invasion along the coast of Norway.

A small diesel/electric Norwegian submarine, whose commander knew the coast very well, "sank" amongst others: Invincible (the aircraft carrier), Albion (the landing command ship) and Iron Duke and Manchester (the only serious escort vessels present).

For this reason, it is worth keeping a good number of capable escorts available.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ship titles in CANZUK Navies


Author:
Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 20:22:32 12/02/04 Thu

Presently they are:

Britain - Royal Navy - HMS
Canada - Royal Canadian Navy - HMCS
Australia - Royal Australian Navy - HMAS
New Zealand - Royal New Zealand Navy - HMNZS

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Royal Canadian Navy?


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 20:24:57 12/02/04 Thu

Jim, is there still such a thing? I thought that since the collapsing of the command structure, it had simply become Canadian Forces - Navy, or something similar?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Canadian Navy


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 20:28:32 12/02/04 Thu

In 1968, the Canadian Forces were merged - the RCN became the Canadian Armed Forces Maritime Command. They were all put in ridiculous green uniforms (I know I wore one - what an embarrassment).

When Brian Mulroney's Conservatives came to power in 1984, he restored navy blue uniforms and brought back the title RCN within the unifed command structure.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: In that case


Author:
Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 20:32:16 12/02/04 Thu

A letter is in order...

There is no mention of the Royal prefix on the website

Canadian Navy

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I have spoken to my MP (a Liberal) about that and will follow up


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 20:46:45 12/02/04 Thu


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Quite right - these things are important


Author:
Paddy (Scotland)
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Date Posted: 21:35:32 12/02/04 Thu


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