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] Date Posted: 02:25:35 01/19/05 Wed In reply to: Ed Harris (London) 's message, "Elaboration" on 00:22:19 01/19/05 Wed Looking at this from Australia, I find it hard to see much reason to get enthusiastic about an Anglosphere Federation, as it would essentially mean becoming part of the USA, which I do not want to do. The idea of “inviting American participation” seems a little optimistic to me. The difference between Australia becoming part of the USA and Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the UK all becoming parts of the USA seems very very slight to me. CANZUK would have to be federated for a generation or so before the argument of “negotiations between two huge nations” could work. If CANZUK had just happened, we would still feel much more like four countries than one, and we would lose the chance to ever get beyond that You say that Americans are not too different from us. Compared to what? Gorillas are not very different to us if we are comparing them with leeches, but that doesn’t mean that I want to give all primates the vote. Looking at what seem to be typical American attitudes towards the law (a sport where people try to get rich by suing each other without any real regard for justice), religion (where a horrifyingly large percentage of the country’s population seems to think that the world was created by some sort of supernatural being who hates abortion but loves wars) and gun crimes (a necessary evil to be combated with more guns), I don’t see much to make me feel at home. I dispute the idea that the statistic “most English-language ‘culture’ comes out of the USA” means that we should accept it all as our culture. In fact, little of the culture that I see as mine comes from the USA. Until you can convince at least 50% of them to understand irony, I’m not interested. Canadians might also have a thing or two to say about merging with a country that invaded them. America fought not to be British. The rest of us have always got on fine. If the choice were between Anglosphere federation and being a province of China, then I would be happy to go with the Anglosphere. Fortunately, that is not the choice we face and is not likely to be. Until then, I’ll stick with the countries I feel at home with. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (London) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 02:35:16 01/19/05 Wed I accept most of your points, with the reservation that perhaps, as a larger country, Brits tend to feel less overwhelmed by the USA than our smaller sister-nations. One question does arise from your remarks though. You say that Anglosphere federation would be preferable to becoming a province of China or Iran; but would you prefer Anglosphere federation to the status quo or not? My order of preference would be: 1) Commonwealth federation 2) Anglosphere federation 3) Status quo. Many here, however, would seem to prefer to see (2) and (3) the other way round. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 02:47:49 01/19/05 Wed I would prefer: 1) Commonwealth federation 2) Status quo 3) Anglosphere federation Because the status quo keeps the option of CANZUK federation open, whereas Anglosphere federation would render that impossible. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |