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] Date Posted: 16:15:49 01/06/05 Thu In reply to: Andrew 's message, "What about the other language?" on 15:51:55 01/06/05 Thu As a lowland Scot, I feel I am qualified to respond to this. I can assure you that we speak English, and have not spoken like Burns for well over 150 years. This is not to say that we do not use old Scots words as colloquialisms, we do. However, these are no more prevalent in Scotland than Cockney rhyming slang is in London. Does this mean that Londoners do not speak English? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Andrew [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:27:57 01/06/05 Thu "As a lowland Scot, I feel I am qualified to respond to this. I can assure you that we speak English, and have not spoken like Burns for well over 150 years. This is not to say that we do not use old Scots words as colloquialisms, we do. However, these are no more prevalent in Scotland than Cockney rhyming slang is in London. Does this mean that Londoners do not speak English?" There are various cases for arguing that Lowland Scots is a separate language, most of which don't apply to Cockney and are not purely lexicological. I suggest you read up on it, in addition to researching your other national language, which you seem to know precious little about. Did they teach you anything about Scotland in school at all? I've met plenty of people who are bilingual in Lowland Scots and English. People talk about Afrikaans or Norwegian, yet there's precious little difference between them and Danish/Swedish and Dutch. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:40:31 01/06/05 Thu Patronising me is not going to win your argument. Lowland Scots is indeed a different language, which evolved alongside English. I am not disputing this. However, we do not speak that anymore, as I have already stated. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:54:07 01/06/05 Thu As I have already stated, old Scots words are used with various dialects in Scotland. This is not old Scots. This is not the language of Burns. They are not speaking old Scots any more than I am speaking French when i say restaurant. What you heard in Aberdeen was "Doric". This is a dialect, not a language. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Andrew [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:15:41 01/06/05 Thu "As I have already stated, old Scots words are used with various dialects in Scotland. This is not old Scots. This is not the language of Burns." You don't speak like Shakespeare. "They are not speaking old Scots any more than I am speaking French when i say restaurant. What you heard in Aberdeen was "Doric". This is a dialect, not a language." Burns spoke a "dialect" too. It even got called "Doric" (the use of the term was broader then). Standard English is a DIALECT in itself. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:36:41 01/06/05 Thu We seem to be engaging in operations in semantics now. As you have decided to reclassify dialects as languages, you should have originally stated that there are over ten languages in Scotland, and not merely Lowland Scots and Gaelic. Shetlandic Orcadian Northern Aberdeen/North East (Doric) Mid Northern South Northern Dundee Scots Edinburgh Scots Glasgow 'Patter' Glaswegian Ayrshire Scots Southern Scots ...among many others I'm sure It must be pointed out that many of the groups above do not understand one another’s dialect, sorry, language – obviously due to enormous deficiencies in their schooling, as obviously happened to me. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Andrew [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:46:54 01/06/05 Thu "Lowland Scots is indeed a different language, which evolved alongside English. I am not disputing this. However, we do not speak that anymore, as I have already stated." It very much is spoken now. I must have imagined working class people in Fife using it, or farmers in Aberdeenshire speaking in it. It's still a living language, despite education's attempts to eradicate it. It hasn't quite gone the way of Cornish or Norn yet. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |