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] Date Posted: 16:37:43 01/06/05 Thu In reply to: Andrew 's message, "langwedges iii" on 16:29:38 01/06/05 Thu And many linguists wear sandals and socks and don't get out much. It flatters their intellectual snobbery to see a different language where in fact there is only a funny accent and some slang words. I suppose that, left to them, Yorkshire and Somerset would be defined as speaking totally different languages, and we should lobby the Oxford University Press to bring out separate dictionaries with "Eh oop" in the former and "Orroit moi lover" in the latter, and they could write smarmy little treatises tracing the etymology of the Yorkshire usage of "while five o'clock" to indicate "by five o'clock", and suggesting that an Academie Somersetaise be established to preserve the purity of their unique and ancient language. Daft bat. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Andrew [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:44:47 01/06/05 Thu It isn't just some of the linguists who think so. Many of the speakers do. Unlike the dialects of Yorkshire etc in England, Lowland Scots was used as a higher register for court records, law, ecclesiastical matters. Even in the case of the various English dialects (of which Standard English is one), there is no reason to look down on "regional" ones. If a Yorkshireman speaks to me in a broad accent, I prefer to hear what he has to say, than how he says it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (London) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:52:07 01/06/05 Thu There is nothing that you have said here with which I disagree, but I do feel that you are arguing from a misapprehension: Glaswegian accents are not Lallands Scots. Yes, it was and still is a separate language with a fine and legitimate tradition, but when you ask for directions to the pub in Paisley and can't understand the response, this is not because they are speaking this Grand Auld Language, but because of the strong accent. Now, you can call this a dialect, and quite legitimately so. We should take the example of Italy, where each region has a stronger variation in dialect even than between Surrey and Skye. But it never occurs to the speakers of these dialects - say, a Piedmontese and a Calabrian - that they are not speaking Italian. Indeed, they laugh at the poor fools in the other region for not speaking Italian properly, rather than saying, "well, clearly, since they sound so odd to us then we must be speaking a different language. How about that, eh, Georgio, all this time we've been speaking a foreign language and never even knew it! We must be genii!" [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Andrew [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:20:53 01/06/05 Thu "We should take the example of Italy, where each region has a stronger variation in dialect even than between Surrey and Skye" That's a bad choice Ed, because Highlanders have never really had very broad accents only having learnt English recently. Half the people in Skye probably have settled from Surrey these days anyway! "Glaswegian accents are not Lallands Scots" Some are. "But it never occurs to the speakers of these dialects - say, a Piedmontese and a Calabrian - that they are not speaking Italian" Unlike the UK no stigma is attached to these though. But there are strong language movements especially amongst the Friulians. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (London) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:25:54 01/06/05 Thu Aren't they the ones generally acknowledged by scholars to speak the purest and best Italians? They sound odd to me, now you come to mention it, but I always thought that this was because I learned Eye-Tie in Venice, where the blighters sound half Spanish and half-German, and throw in occasional defunct Kaverathousa words to confuse us. L'azento venessiano, indeed! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |