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Subject: Creoles


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anon
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Date Posted: 14:05:29 01/11/05 Tue
In reply to: Ed Harris (London) 's message, "Er..." on 22:53:14 01/10/05 Mon

"In point of fact she is of about the most mixed blood of any human being anywhere."

Not so sure about that. What about the Creoles in the Caribbean etc? Blood from every continent in some cases!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well...


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Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 15:49:03 01/11/05 Tue

I would say that the Royals are about as mixed as that. If you have a look at the link in my post, you'll see that it's pretty comprehensive. That's why they look kind of funny, in my opinion; although I still believe that they should have gone further - for example, by Victoria marrying her eldest son to an Indian princess, which would probably have meant that there would be Emperors at Delhi today.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: hmmm


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Nick (UK)
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Date Posted: 14:00:46 01/12/05 Wed

Well to be fair most of the alleged lines of descent are caucasian - there are no Africans or aboriginal peoples from the New World, both of which would possibly occur in Caribbean blood.

I also worry a little that the list is designed to somehow justify a 'world monarchy', or to make the monarchy the embodiment of multicultural political correctness rather than routed in one race or continent, when clearly the Royals are pretty undeniably European in most respects. On the other hand, I quite like the idea, and we are all clearly inter-related to some extent, in that we are all descendents of 'Lucy' (or Eve if you prefer) and if it makes a Chinese restuarant owner in Chorley more likely to be a monarchist, that's fine by me.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It's just a tad dodgy


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 15:13:18 01/12/05 Wed

The list tells you that the Queen is descended from some line, Prince Phil from somewhere else, then suddenly it will tell you that Charles is descended from someone or other without suggesting on which side. Couldn't they be a little more consistent on that?

They are also talking about membership of the royal families of different European countries, which is hardly the same as being related to the actual peasants of those same countries.

That said, it's several trillion times better than some shaven-headed nong suggesting that the royal family is "pure" something or other.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Dodgy dossiers


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Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 15:33:54 01/12/05 Wed

I agree that the point is to deconstruct the myth that HM holds her position because she is an embodiment of racial purity. This is clearly nonsense, and so it doesn't matter how iffy some of that info is.

On the other hand, there is still a tendency to talk about a "European" race, wich is clearly nonsense. There is no such thing. Slavs and Teutons and Latins and Scandinavians and such like are more closely related to each other than, say, Australian aboriginies and Japanese, but they are different races nevertheless, and many of them more alien to us culturally than Indians, Singaporeans etc.

In a way, then, this attempt to show the multi-racial origins of the royals is a bit hypocritical because of the relative racial but not cultural proximity. Charlie should have married Crown Princess Wossname from Japan - that would have put the puma among the pigeons. On the other hand, the previous leader of the Conservative Party was a quarter Japanese, and no-one seemed to care, so who knows?

Considering it from another point of view, though, it would be a potentially monarchy-killing disaster if William marries some European or even non-European aristocrat's daughter. He should find a nice wife from Down Under somewhere, preferably called Sheilla or Katelyn or some such thing. See how Mr Latham and Ms Clarke like that.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Royal Renaissance


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Nick (UK)
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Date Posted: 16:46:40 01/12/05 Wed

Would that mean Australians would have to start liking the stuck up British Royals as much as they like the nice working class Danish ones?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: If Wills were to marry a nice Australian girl, the repulican movement would be dead before you could say "glossy magazine"


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 17:10:53 01/12/05 Wed


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