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| Subject: abandoning FPTP does not result in coalitions or loss of the "personal" vote! | |
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] Date Posted: 16:30:13 12/23/04 Thu In reply to: Ed Harris (UK) 's message, "Democratic services..." on 15:33:42 12/23/04 Thu Australia gets clear results every time, and of course we vote for a person. What are you talking about? Preferential voting gives you the best of both worlds. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:47:23 12/23/04 Thu ... you still won't sell it to the Tories. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 23:46:17 12/23/04 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: David (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:19:36 12/24/04 Fri Yes, but our Liberal/National Party coalition is nothing like what a Labour/Lib Dem coalition would be like in Britain. Both parties here are essentially the same thing, they work together in both opposition and government and these days they never really have any disagreements. Their policy going into elections are exactly the same. Neither party would ever form a coalition with the ALP or another party, it is really just one party under two different names. Our preferential system was originally introduced to prevent conservative candidates splitting the Tory vote and allowing electorates to go to Labor where this would otherwise not be the case. It still comes into effect sometimes, however most electorates at the last election were decided on primary vote alone. The National party is slowly dying anyway and will probably be absorbed by the Liberals over the next 20-30 years. The electorates held by all its past leaders over the past 20-30 years have been lost. http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/guide/howpreferenceswork.htm http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/guide/prefhistory.htm [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:40:11 12/24/04 Fri I said that our voting system always gives a clear result, and it does, because voters always know that the Liberals and Nationals will work together. It is never a matter of seeing how the numbers fall out then trying to form a coalition: the coalition is always there in advance. Even when the Libs have a majority in their own right, they form governemnt with the Nationals, just out of habit. Nothing could be more stable. There have been three Prime Ministers from the National Party (or Country Party, as it then was), because the leader of the Nats is always deputy PM, so if the boss dies or quits, the Nat gets a month or so of glory before the Libs sort themselves out and choose a new leader. In fact, it is not just the Libs and the Nats: there is also the Country Liberal Party, which only exists in the Northern Territory. They are always part of the coalition too. In fact, given the stat-based nature of the Liberal Party, you could say that they are in fact separate parties for each state, so even if you had a purely "Liberal" government, it would still be a coalition of sorts in practice, because the Liberal Party of Victoria would be working together with the Liberal Party of New South Wales, the Liberal Party of Tasmania, and so on. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |