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Subject: These are historical maps


Author:
Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 17:18:02 11/12/04 Fri
In reply to: Andrew 's message, "Which Empire?" on 17:00:47 11/12/04 Fri

I am talking about the maps on the Commonwealth History page. The maps showing the British Empire development from 1650 to 1943 will show British territory in scarlet red.

The maps showing the Commonwealth today will show it in pink.

The map of our proposed federation will show it in gold, instead of the green I use now.

Does this clear this up for you?

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[> [> [> Subject: Empire maps...


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Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 00:58:10 11/13/04 Sat

Perhaps I shouldn't admit this... but I chose my British Empire map, which hangs in a gilt frame over my desk, from the inter-war years, when it was at its biggest, connecting the Cape with Calcutta, never mind Cairo. I know it's a bit pathetic, but I just like the rich blotches of red, like an atlas over which some careless person has spilled a glass of fine claret. It also has a small roundel at the botton with H.I.M. George V.'s portrait in it, with the legend, "God Save the King-Emperor" under it. Over the Arctic, the pointless expanses of snow have been replaced with the phrase, "Union is Strength". Looking at it now, I am struck with the impression that I am about as politically correct as Norman Tebbit. How can I atone for this?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Wow! I have exactly the same Empire map hanging in my living room!


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 02:53:42 11/13/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I am not alone, then!


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Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 12:40:13 11/13/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: And...


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Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 12:56:23 11/13/04 Sat

Next to it hangs the following - the only example of it I've ever been able to find for sale:

http://flagspot.net/images/g/gb_emp-l.jpg

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: so do I...


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 12:43:27 11/13/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Here's a nice map


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Roberdin
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Date Posted: 20:58:02 11/14/04 Sun

Not as nice as the real thing, of course:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:British_Empire_1897.jpg

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Quite good.


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Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 22:38:32 11/14/04 Sun

That's quite good, but I prefer the post-WW1 Empire maps, with the Cape linked to Cairo and the Middle Eastern Empire linking Cairo through Jerusalem and the Transjordan to Iraq and thence through southern Iran (informal empire rather than official colony) to India and thence through Burma and Malaya to Singapore. It looks more imperial!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: All of this is on the FCS Canada Commonwealth History page right now - look at the 1920 map.


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 16:51:52 11/15/04 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Empire Maps


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Scott
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Date Posted: 18:30:00 11/15/04 Mon

Wow! Ive got an Empire map as well, but it's doesn't sound like it's the same one. It's the one that the Daily Mail was selling with the picture of Britannia on it. Im really quite proud of it. Ive also got a big picture of the English Lion in front of the Union flag.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Don't bother, Tebbit was largely correct


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Paddy (Scotland)
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Date Posted: 09:43:37 11/13/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Ashamed of you


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Roberdin
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Date Posted: 14:32:03 11/13/04 Sat

I'm ashamed of you two. You give us all a bad name.

The only way you can possibly make up for this is to carefully wrap those maps and flags up and send them to me. :-P

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: ...


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Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 18:18:14 11/13/04 Sat

Shall we send them Care Of Southgate School? I went to Highgate School myself (back in the early nineties), which isn't that far away.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Ed


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Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 17:54:01 11/15/04 Mon

Ed, do you know a website where I can get that map from I did find a map before that sounds similar to that, sadly is was made in 1922, a year earlier and Egypt would still be in a lovely red. This miner detail was enough to stop me buying it I'm afraid.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: A coupe of places...


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 18:03:46 11/15/04 Mon

I know that you can get one exactly like mine from http://www.oldalbiononline.co.uk/. This is from 1924.

Also, you can get a map from 1905 from www.amazon.co.uk... it's not quite so red, but it has funky pictures of all the peoples of the empire along the top and bottom: in the centre, a Scot and and Englishman either side of a shield emblazoned with the Jack, and all the subject peoples spread out to their left and right.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Egypt!


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Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 10:51:59 11/16/04 Tue

Thats the map I found before. Its a veyr nice map, but I want Egypt!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You and Napoleon both!


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 12:01:48 11/16/04 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Owain, if only I had know earlier


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 14:09:25 11/16/04 Tue

There was a 1919 map of the world for sale on e-bay which showed Egypt in red as part of a continuous unbroken strip of red stretching down to the Cape of Good Hope, when the Empire was at its maximum extent. This would have been ideal for you. If I had known earlier, I could have alerted you to it and you could have bought it. Unfortunately, it has sold. Go on to e-bay and type in British Empire and quite a lot of good stuff comes up. There are plenty of old atlases and maps from time to time. Check it periodically.

In the meantime, I suggest that you go to the Commonwealth History page on the FCS Canada site and download the 1920 map. You can then blow it up large on a large sheet of paper. That is the next best thing.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: thanks


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Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 16:18:36 11/16/04 Tue

Good idea, thanks Jim.

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[> [> [> Subject: Empire maps...


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Ben.M(UK)
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Date Posted: 08:44:06 11/13/04 Sat

Actually, I think I've seen one of those maps, or one very similar, in an antique shop before.

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