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Subject: annoyance


Author:
Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 17:33:23 11/05/04 Fri
In reply to: Nick (UK) 's message, "England! Where the Sacred flame/Burns before the inmost shrine...." on 16:08:09 11/05/04 Fri

Ed and Nick, you are both right about the annoyance of having my country reffered to as England. I get so mad about it (one time I got so mad about it on the paradox forum that they band me, which was the first time). Its such an insult towards me and the rest of Wales, plus Scotland and Northern Ireland. This is one of the reasons I wnat to see a united British sports teams, that way people will get used to saying Britain rather than Wales, England or Scotland.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Flower of Scotland vs God Save the Queen


Author:
Deira Bernicia
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Date Posted: 17:58:08 11/05/04 Fri

"It encourages them to sing about flowers of Scotland and killin gthe English for their arrogance."

As opposed to God Save the Queen which had a verse about killing the Scots?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Had, and only the rebellious ones


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Ben.M(UK)
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Date Posted: 17:59:46 11/05/04 Fri

GSTQ HAD a verse about killing Scots, and only the rebellious ones.:-)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It's still offensive


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Deira Bernicia
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Date Posted: 18:03:22 11/05/04 Fri

You can't complain about one, without complainign about the other. Which do you want, an anti-English one reminding us of past atrocities or an anti-Scottish one reminding us of past atrocities?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: But...


Author:
Ben.M(UK)
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Date Posted: 18:08:35 11/05/04 Fri

But that verse is no longer part of GSTQ, and hasn't been for a long time.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Offensive anthems


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Deira Bernicia
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Date Posted: 18:11:09 11/05/04 Fri

"But that verse is no longer part of GSTQ, and hasn't been for a long time."

It's part of the original song.

Perhaps forcing people to sing about religion and a foreign queen is offensive too. Even Jerusalem would be a better choice. Or land of hope and glory. They have better tunes. But still mention religion... what the hey..>

The good news is that more and more Scots recognise GSTQ for what it is.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: 'Rebellious Scots to crush' wasn't part of the original song - it was inserted during the Jacobite rebellion, then erased.


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Nick (UK)
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Date Posted: 12:53:10 11/08/04 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It still annoys many Scots though. I think GSTQ is an unsuitable anthem anyway nt


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Random Jock
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Date Posted: 17:11:19 11/08/04 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: not entirely true


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Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 18:30:54 11/05/04 Fri

Well as it happens there is no official version of GSTQ so you could argue that killing the scots is still part of it if you like. The Monarchy has has always refused to make any version pernament, thus allowing it to change with the times. Aslo note that at the time it was first written the jacobite rebellion was on everyones mind.

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