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Subject: lol good good


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Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 08:07:13 11/07/04 Sun
In reply to: Ed Harris (Venezia) 's message, "Hah!" on 23:46:53 11/06/04 Sat

Very good point Ed. If your ever in Wlaes watch that terrible soap opera in Welsh (I forget what its called). Due to the the Wlesh languages complete lack of usefullness so much of its in English or modern angloised Welsh words that I can follow whats going on anyway.

I think the benefit of having anothe rlanguage is to do more with certain abilities you pick up in the process rather than the actualy ability to speak another language, but its still hardly the most amazing thing in the world. One of the greatest steps forward in education recently was getting rid of that stupid thing whereby every student had to do a language GCSE of some sort. If I was just one year older I would have had no choice about taking French for GCSE (French being the only language my school teaches). Whatever the benefits of learning some dying language is, not being forced to allowed me more options in my GCSE all of which have their beneifts just as much as learning another language.

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Random Jock
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Date Posted: 17:21:50 11/08/04 Mon

Why can't the English speak English? All they speak is Normanised Anglo-Saxon and mangled Latin!!!

"If your ever in Wlaes watch that terrible [Latin/French] soap opera [Latin] in Welsh (I forget what its called). Due to the the Wlesh languages [French from "langue"] complete [French] lack of usefullness [from Latin "utilisare"] so much of its in English or modern [Latin] angloised [Latin] Welsh words that I can follow whats going on anyway.

"I think the benefit [Latin] of having anothe rlanguage [French] is to do more with certain [French] abilities Latin] you pick up in the process [Latin] rather than the actualy [Latin] ability [Latin] to speak another language [French], but its still hardly the most amazing [French] thing in the world. One of the greatest steps forward in education [Latin from "educare" to lead out] recently [French] was getting rid of that stupid [Latin "stupidus"] thing [Old Norse "thing"] whereby every student [French] had to do a language [French] GCSE [mixture of French and Latin] of some sort. If I was just one year older I would have had no choice [French] about taking French for GCSE (French being the only language [French] my school [latin "schola"] teaches). Whatever the benefits [Latin] of learning some dying language [French] is, not being forced [Latin "fortia"] to allowed me more options [Latin] in my GCSE all of which have their beneifts [Latin] just as much as learning another language [French]"

Now then... you guys complain [Old French complaindre] about Gaelic and Welsh "borrowing", why can't you write your own language [French] without recourse [French] to borrowings?

This is an extreme [Latin] example [French], but I hope in future [Latin], you shall realise [Latin] that speakers of your language [French] have no right to say such things [Norse] to others. English is a MONGREL tongue. No way round it. It's stolen from every one on the planet [Latin for wandering star]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Yes! So right!


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Ed Harris (Back in Shropshire)
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Date Posted: 12:29:21 11/09/04 Tue

You're right! English is the archetypical mongrel language! That's why I love it... You see, French is Teutonic and Latinate. German is Teutonic and Slavic. Gaelic is Celtic, Gallic, Latinised and vaguely Semitic even. But English is all of its influences at the same time. That's why the English vocabulary has about eight times more words than its nearest rival. We can say 'king-like' [German], 'royal' [French] and 'regal' [Latin], all of which mean something different. But the Germans can only say 'koeniglich', the French 'royale', and the Italians and Spanish 'reale'.

Just as mixed-race people tend to be more clever (and, dare I say it, better looking), I think that linguistic miscegenation produces better languages. And I defy you to come up with a better example of a mixed and messed-up language than English!

It doesn't even stop at Europe... we can say 'I don't give a dam' (a 'dam' being a small Indian coin minted by the Mughals and worth about a farthing), 'I'm going to run amok' (from Malasian, or is it Burmese, for 'beserk' [which itself is Nordic]), and 'I'll clobber you with my knobkerrie' (the latter being a Zulu word for 'stick'). I love my language, and your calling it a mongrel tongue just reinforces that affeection.

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Ed Harris (Back in Shropshire)
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Date Posted: 15:06:07 11/09/04 Tue

But you're not right when you say that this mongrel language is not English. 'English' is the name which we use to denote modern demotic Latinised-Normanised Anglo-Saxon. It is not the name for Olde Englyshe or for Anglo-Saxon or for Saxon or for Nordic-Saxon. Wulde thas thow wille meg su sprike Anglishe-Sachsen, jeg kunne fal den, butte jeg will nyt. Jeg see for nye Anglishe, thow pictishe tribusmann!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Random: Stop talking crap - this is a forum promoting greater unity among the Commonwealth, not Etymologists Annonymous...


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Roberdin
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Date Posted: 16:53:11 11/09/04 Tue


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