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Date Posted: 12:49:15 02/14/16 Sun
Author: Bill Gowans
Subject: Another set of one length clubs on the market

I see that Jaacob Bowden is now advertising Sterling one length clubs that will be on sale in March, after allegedly using your clubs for years. How do they compare to 1iron clubs and why has he jumped ship?

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[> Re: Another set of one length clubs on the market -- David Lake, 10:49:16 02/18/16 Thu

Jaacob has been playing our 1 Irons for the past ten years. He is simply trying to enter the single-length market on his own.


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[> [> Re: Another set of one length clubs on the market -- Greg Williford (Hopeful), 21:33:55 05/10/16 Tue

Will using a standard driver in combination with a set of these irons "hurt" my swing any? IOW, will I also need a "1 IRON" driver to maintain the constant swing plane?


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[> [> [> Re: Another set of one length clubs on the market -- David Lake, 14:55:03 05/11/16 Wed

Greg,

What you have to bear in mind is that there is a distinct difference in design function between irons, fairway woods, and drivers. An iron is designed to pinch the ball against the turf using a down and through type of swing which requires an upright swing plane and a descending swing arc into the ball. On the other hand, fairway woods are designed to sweep the ball from the turf which requires a flatter swing plane and, hence, a longer club length than an iron. A driver is designed to sweep a ball that is teed up 1" to 2" off the ground which requires an even flatter swing plane than a fairway wood and, hence, a longer club length than the other woods within a set.

Consequently, any driver that you prefer can be used with a set of single-length irons.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Another set of one length clubs on the market -- Greg Williford, 21:58:00 05/11/16 Wed

Thank you very much for the explanation, and apologies to the gentleman for posting in the wrong place (smartphone).

Last week I googled "can a set of golf irons be made the same length?", and found 1-Iron. The gentleman (you?) took the time to clarify the physics/science behind this system in a clear understandable way (to us armchair engineers). The call was quite long and I never felt like I being fed a sales pitch and he knew what he was talking about...I like that.

Hope to be able($) to try them pretty soon.


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[> Re: Another set of one length clubs on the market -- Bill Gowans, 14:04:31 02/20/16 Sat

Thanks for the reply. I am putting my faith with your clubs and am presently waiting for my complete set to arrive in the UK.


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[> Re: Another set of one length clubs on the market -- Pedro, 05:28:37 03/29/16 Tue

a little competition is good, it will evolve the design and would eventually make them more main stream., having choice is a good thing with great respect to David. I also have much respect to one of the pioneers of club fitting and design Ton Wishon. as far as I know there are at least 4 viable options now, so the choice is now yours. And I am sure it will continue to grow as eventually one of the big club manufacturers will jump on the band wagon, its a matter of time.

I am well aware of the previous single length irons that were on the market, Tommy Armour was not the only one. Thank you and enjoy your single length journey.


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[> Re: Another set of one length clubs on the market -- Nathan, 23:29:55 03/31/16 Thu

I've been completely unimpressed with Wishon's SL design.


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[> [> Re: Another set of one length clubs on the market -- Pedro, 07:47:16 04/02/16 Sat

so what unimpressed you.


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[> [> [> Re: Another set of one length clubs on the market -- nathan, 11:20:05 04/04/16 Mon

(mainly) the lofting of the clubs.

(secondly) the offset and bounce between clubs seems to vary...not sure why this would be...the clubs are meant to be swung the same way.

Tom says that high lifted irons fly too far and low lofted irons don't go far enough (distance compression)

Tom's set is 5 iron to sand wedge, so let compare just those clubs between his set and the 1iron set.

Also, Tom's set is meant to be built to an 8 iron length, so let's compare 8 iron length sets.

Sterling sand wedge, 55*
1 iron sand wedge, 55*

If Tom thought the high lofted clubs went too far, why would he not weaken the loft of the sand wedge.

Sterling 8 iron, 35*
1 iron 8 iron, 39*

If all the clubs are built to 8 iron length, why would the Sterling 8 iron be built 4* strong? (it's a 7 iron with an 8 stamped on the bottom).

Sterling 5 iron, 23*
1 iron 4 iron, 23*

The Sterling again is one club 'strong', but the 8 iron is also one club strong, so how does this fix the compression issue of the low lofted clubs?

The way I think about it. Either take the 1 iron stance and loft should, from club to club be 4* or...take Tom's stance and vary lofts, but the 8 iron should be an 8 iron loft and the high lofted clubs should be progressively weaker and low lofted clubs should be progressively stronger.

My 2 cents.


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[> Re: Another set of one length clubs on the market -- Pedro, 16:05:59 04/04/16 Mon

I clearly see your point but its specification based and not real world performance based like the 1 irons. All the arguments in the world have been debated as why the 1 iron should not work but having been through at least 4 sets they work.

The only fair way is to compare both sets giving each set time to get acclimated I assume sooner or later an explanation of the why? as it pertains to their design will come to light, at the moment I agree with you only in principle.


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