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Date Posted: 22:05:39 04/18/08 Fri
Author: Jeff
Subject: Long short irons
I think that virtually all golfers can agree that shorter clubs are easier to hit than the longer clubs.
So the 1-iron system seems to make perfect sense to make those difficult long irons more playable, but conversely, it would seem to make the short irons more difficult.
Everyone knows that the short game is where the "money" is, and the idea of using a sand wedge that is the same length as my 7-iron seems a little crazy. Sort of like you're robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Am I missing something, or are you just trading short-game accuracy for long-game accuracy?
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Re: Long short irons -- Stan, 07:11:31 04/19/08 Sat
I don't think that 1 Iron's philosophy is that normal long irons are too long, but that they don't fit correctly and that's where the playability problem lies. Conversely if you're fitted correctly in a #7 iron club length then normal short irons are too short and reduce playability.
When I first started playing 1 Irons I just got the #3 iron through PW set and used my old Cleveland wedges which were 1" inch shorter than my 1 Irons. My fairway ball striking improved dramatically but my short game stayed the same and there was a big difference in feel, weight, etc. between my 1 Irons and wedges. At the end of last summer I got the 1 Iron GW, SW, and LW to match my other irons and my short game took off immediately.
For me the key was playing irons and wedges that fit correctly regardless of "normal" club lengths. My #3-#5 irons are much easier to hit not because they're shorter but because they fit me and and my 1 Iron wedges are easier to hit and a lot more consistent for exactly the same reason.
Stan
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Re: Long short irons -- Jeff, 07:56:44 04/20/08 Sun
I never said that 1-Iron's philosophy was that long irons are too long. I simply said that the longer clubs are more difficult to hit for me and the shorter ones are easier to hit.
Currently I have better consistency with my gap wedge than I do with my 7 iron. I'm just having a hard time seeing how making my wedges longer will make them easier to hit for me.
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Re: Long short irons -- David Lake, 16:43:55 04/20/08 Sun
Jeff,
You did not mention your W-T-F measurement. In your case the club length of a conventional gap wedge might be the correct club length for all of your irons.
Bear in mind that 1 Irons are built to the length of a properly fitted short/mid iron based upon the W-T-F measurement of the individual golfer. For the taller player this may be the length of a conventional #3 or #4 iron while for the shorter player it might be the length (or even shorter) of a conventional wedge.
David Lake
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Re: Long short irons -- Jeff, 18:02:03 04/20/08 Sun
My w-t-f is 35.5, which I believe with your formula, equates to the length of my current standard 7 iron.
I'm not saying I hit my 7 iron poorly, just that it feels like there's more finesse involved with the wedges. I'm usually doing less than a full swing, and usually making good center-face contact. While my 7 iron is almost always a full (100%) swing. Which is probably why there's a higher frequency of mis-hits.
Now I guess you could say that I could be just as accurate by doing less than a full swing with my 7 iron. Maybe true. But for me, mis-hits with wedges are usually a lot more troublesome than with the longer clubs. It usually ends up being bladed and going 40yds past the green, or flubbed and going no where.
So I guess my concern is doing anything that could make an already delicate short-game even more "fragile".
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Re: Long short irons -- David Lake, 20:50:57 04/20/08 Sun
Jeff,
Based upon your W-T-F measurement your 1 Irons would be approximately the equivalent of a conventional #8 iron in club length, weight, and lie angle.
Most golfers have trouble with their wedges and blade a lot of shots due to the high degree of bounce angle typically found in conventional wedges (12º-14º in the Sw, and 8-10º in the Lw). All of our wedges, with the exception of the Sw, have the same 3º bounce angle as the rest of the irons within a set. Our Sw has only a 6º bounce angle coupled with a wider sole than the rest of our irons making it an ideal iron out of the sand and an extremely playable iron from a close cut fairway or hardpan. Bladed shots simply do not occur with 1 Iron wedges.
David Lake
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Re: Long short irons -- Jeff, 06:29:16 04/21/08 Mon
"Bladed shots simply do not occur with 1 Iron wedges."
Thanks David. But that's a pretty bold statement there.
I'll agree that the number of bladed shots would be reduced based on the reduced bounce angle. But I'm pretty sure there's still a chance of a bladed shot. Granted due to swing error, but the possibility still exists.
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Re: Long short irons -- Fred, 14:54:16 04/21/08 Mon
I think what David means is if you ask most golfers how often they blade their wedges the answer will be fairly high but if you ask them how often they blade their 8 iron their answer will be never.
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Re: Long short irons -- Geuka, 07:41:21 04/20/08 Sun
I agree with Stan. I would also like to say that because the 1Iron golf system is about consistency, having all the irons be the same length actually improves all aspects of your game (short game included).
I think sometimes people evaluating this paradigm shift often focus too much on the fact that the clubs are the same length and forget about the other implications of this system.
I think the biggest shift is that the ball position is the same for each shot. This means that you don't have to guess on how far forward or backwards to move the ball for each shot.
Next, all the clubs are the same weight. So again no more adjusting your swing for really heavy short clubs versus much lighter longer ones.
Now because they are all the same length, the difference in loft is the only "variable" between clubs. That "variable" equates to really consistent yardage gaps (10 yards in my case). That's my 2 cents!
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