| Subject: Not a problem for me, because I only drive about 12,000 miles a year, doing a lot less |
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Date Posted: 10:40:37 11/15/07 Thu
In reply to:
Duncan7
's message, "Re: Just returned from 2000+miles, burning ethanol-laced gasoline" on 09:09:06 11/15/07 Thu
polluting than many a Prius driver who goes a lot further.
>That's about right.Ethanol doesn't have the energy
>gasoline does. Still doesn't change my mind about
>diversity. It's still only costing me about $1.25 for
>biodiesel. I do have more efficient vehicles and get
>about 35mpg in the mercedes and 45mpg in the bug.
>Don't know what to tell you curm, at almost $100 a
>barrel for oil it's not going to be to long before
>they pull the trigger on you. Not sure how that is
>going to reflect in your other energy costs, but it
>can't be good.
>
>>for the first 300 mile leg, and non-laced for the
>>balance. Guess what? Same speeds, same freeway
>>terrain, same everything, except mileage. With ethanol
>>I got 18.2 mpg, without ethanol I got 22+. Looks to
>>me like the first 20% reduction in pollutions is
>>needed just to balance out the added amount we must
>>burn. Gives new meaning to the term Boondoggle!
>>
>>
>>>Guess you'll have to define boondoggle. I pulled into
>>>a station yesterday to grab a gal of milk and E-85
>was
>>>selling for $2.28 compared to $2.88 for 87 octane
>>>regular. That's not a bad savings.
>>>
>>>>Ethanol is without a doubt, the biggest boondoggle
>>>>ever to be foisted on the American people. It is
>>>>expensive form both a financial and an energy
>>>>standpoint, and when we have to burn ethanol-laced
>>>>gasoline during the winter months here in Missoula,
>>>>mileage drops about 10%. If it were not for ADM and
>>>>thier strangle hold on our pols of both parties,
>>>>ethanol wouldn't see the light of day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>you can get the full story at the link. looks like
>>>>>biofuel is on the way out.
>>>>>
>>>>>A U.N. expert on Friday called the growing practice
>>>of
>>>>>converting food crops into biofuel "a crime against
>>>>>humanity," saying it is creating food shortages and
>>>>>price jumps that cause millions of poor people to
>go
>>>>>hungry.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jean Ziegler, who has been the United Nations'
>>>>>independent expert on the right to food since the
>>>>>position was established in 2000, called for a
>>>>>five-year moratorium on biofuel production to halt
>>>>>what he called a growing "catastrophe" for the
>poor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Scientific research is progressing very quickly, he
>>>>>said, "and in five years it will be possible to
>make
>>>>>biofuel and biodiesel from agricultural waste"
>>rather
>>>>>than wheat, corn, sugar cane and other food crops.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Using biofuel instead of gasoline in cars is
>>>generally
>>>>>considered to cut carbon dioxide emissions, which
>>>>>contribute to global warming, although some
>>>scientists
>>>>>say greenhouse gases released during the production
>>>of
>>>>>biofuel could offset those gains.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The use of crops for biofuel has being pursued
>>>>>especially in Brazil and the United States.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Last March, President Bush and Brazilian President
>>>>>Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva signed an agreement
>>>>>committing their countries to boosting ethanol
>>>>>production. They said increasing use of alternative
>>>>>fuels would lead to more jobs, a cleaner
>environment
>>>>>and greater independence from the whims of the oil
>>>>>market.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/
>n
>>/
>>>a
>>>>/
>>>>>2007/10/26/international/i140436D32.DTL">http://www
>.
>>s
>>>f
>>>>g
>>>>>ate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/10/26/inter
>n
>>a
>>>t
>>>>i
>>>>>onal/i140436D32.DTL
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