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Date Posted: 10:31:30 12/26/02 Thu
Author: No name
Subject: Re: IMO
In reply to: 's message, "IMO" on 12:13:53 12/25/02 Wed

> you will find I think more of the OLDER whites/white
>factoreds are conforming to standard then the younger
>ones. To many have gotten into this beautiful breed
>just for the producing of the "white" without thought
>to what makes a complete doberman. They don't know
>the standard or even how to read a pedigree. If the
>parents aren't the same of the individual dogs, breed
>them and lets make some money tends to be the common
>thing for WZ breeders. >>



Actually this happens in other breeds as well. This is not limited to the WZ Dobermans. There are non-Z Doberman breeders who are of the same mindset that you describe above.



>I've seen to many of the knowledgable, caring breeders
>of WZ's leave or stop breeding WZ's because of the
>ethics and principals of others.>>



Again, it's that way in every breed, even in churches and clubs. Some people try harder than others, they educate themselves, they put forth more effort than most, and after finding out that they are in the minority, they move on. Some people aren't cut out to be in a minority situation.



>It doesn't seem to
>matter that on one hand, you have a breeder health
>testing, researching pedigree's, adding non WZ lines
>to improve quality, and not just for one litter but on
>a continuous bases and doing it for the love of the
>breed, not to line their pockets and others lump them
>with with the "GREEDERS" who don't care a tad about
>any of that. That isn't fair to to them for their
>efforts and love so they leave.



These people don't love the Whites as a whole IMO, or they wouldn't give up like that and allow the greeders and ruiners to take over completely.



>The Greeders breed to many litters, pups are
>unsocialized, unhealthy, even if they did test
>parents, breed vWD's affecteds just for the
>temperament, not the quality, breed for the white
>color mainly, charge high prices, give them away to
>influence/buy friends, and then tell buyers to send
>them to rescue when the homes don't work out. They
>don't consider the quality of the dog, nor it's
>temperament. What matters if it has an awful head, low
>tail set, brisket way above elbows, shoulders to wide,
>etc etc. They don't care that it takes ALL that put
>together correctly that makes the doberman the
>DOBERMAN.



And what are you doing about it? Or have you deserted the whites and decent breeders also?



>IMO, most of the WZ dobermans are a bad example of a
>doberman to start with.



That's your opinion, but you haven't seen even a fraction of them with your own eyes. Come to California someday.



<< They don't conform to
>standard, to many have termperament issues mainly from
>uncaring breeding practices, and if a doberman don't
>look like or act like a doberman, then I'm sorry, they
>shouldn't be breeding that particular dog. There are
>to many in shelters needing homes for others to be
>breeding dogs with the only requirements being
>temperament, and color.
>Many have the saying, "for the betterment of the
>white", and while that is a good saying, you can't
>expect personal feelings and issues not to arise when
>others see others NOT doing things for the "betterment
>of the whites" by using unethical practices and only
>breeding to line thier pockets. I wish someone could
>explain that to me but so far all the explanations of
>why you should do things the right way is right and
>but OK for others to do it all wrong too and make the
>whole lot of WZ breeders look bad haven't made any
>sense to me.
>I'm sorry, the good that many have done to promote the
>WZ registered dobermans (well they do it for the
>"white", really), as being acceptable, bred to
>standard, etc etc, is being done in by the breeding
>practices of to many others that don't care about if
>their dogs are in standard, proper temperament, or
>even how closely related they are.
>I don't care what breed you breed or are in, you MUST
>know the standard for that breed and breed to that
>standard to keep the breed of your choice looking and
>acting like it should.
>Color and registration does NOT mean one is healthier
>then the other. IT's the breeders that do that by
>their choice of bloodlines they use and the research
>they do and the KNOWLEDGE they have learned by talking
>to others and then USING it, that make any WZ doberman
>or any doberman fit the standard of the breed, with
>good health, proper temeperament and longevity to boot!
>I don't really see this getting posted, but I had to
>say this anyway.



It did get posted. And you have some very good points. But deserting a breed or a color within a breed isn't helping to be a part of a solution to a problem which I do partially agree exists. Too many people run away when when the going gets hard. That's okay, but don't discourage the others with backbone who have stayed; the ones who make not a penny on this lovely color, but instead pour thousands into bettering it.

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