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Subject: Help in understanding set theory problems


Author:
Pete Snyder
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Date Posted: 04:38:25 05/05/03 Mon

Hello- I would like to ask you if you would please help me solve the two following problems. I have looked through many textbooks at my community college library. The frustrating part is that the books present information in an abstract sense, where no real numbers are used to solve the problems. Highly abbreviated equations are used and then 40-50 problems are given at the end of each section. No detailed examples are given in order to use as templates to solve the exercise problems. Would somebody please be able to provide detailed solutions to the following two problems. I would then be able to use these as examples (or templates) in order to understand what is being presented in the mathematics textbooks for these kinds of exercises. Also-please let me know how to actually say or verbalize the following equations. Thank you very much!

1. Let y and z be non-zero integers.
Show mathematical proof that if (3y, 10z) = 9, then x|(y,z). I need a proof and not just a numerical answer.

2. Let G be the following group of permutations.
G = {(3), (1234), (13)(24), (1432), (24), (12)(34), (13), (14)(23)}.
Let H = {(1), (1234), (13)(24), (1432)}.
Prove H is cyclic and find all the cosets of H in G.

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[> Subject: Re: Help in understanding set theory problems


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QUITTNER
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Date Posted: 15:28:09 05/05/03 Mon

Sorry, I don't know how to solve these problems. Are you aware of the many books in the SCHAUM OUTLINE SERIES on different mathematical topics? I like their many worked examples showing you how to solve problems, in addition to the theory. Good luck and have fun!

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[> Subject: Re: Help in understanding set theory problems


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Lynn
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Date Posted: 14:37:34 07/16/03 Wed

I assume that since you posted a couple of months ago, that if I'm answering assignment questions, it's too late. So, just so you can actually see how this is done, here we go:
(Incidentally, Shawm's is not too good at showing worked out solutions to problems that need proofs rather than numbers.)

>1. Let y and z be non-zero integers.
>Show mathematical proof that if (3y, 10z) = 9, then
>x|(y,z). I need a proof and not just a numerical
>answer.

Verbally: "If the greatest common divisor of 3y and 10z is nine, then find a factor of the greatest common divisor of y and z? (I'm paraphrasing a bit since as you typed it, it makes no sense.)

x = 3.

Proof (in words, sort of):

The fact that 9 is the greatest common divisor of 3y and 10z means two things: 1) that 9 divides both 3y and 10z.
and 2) that nothing bigger than 9 (no multiple of 9) also divides them.

So, let's see what we get out of consequence 1:
If 9|3y then it's clear that 3|y.
If 9|10z then 9 must divide z since 9 and 10 share no common factors.

Since 3|y and 3|9|z, we have that 3|(y,z).

In point of fact, using consequence 2 and the same sort of logic, it's possible to prove that 3 = (y,z)

Now, that's not how I would hand it in (although if marking it, I would sigh and give full marks).

What I would hand in:
Claim: 3|(y,z).
Proof:
9 | 3y (by hypothesis)
Thus, 3 | y (by dividing both sides by 9)

9 | 10z
(9,10) = 1
Thus, 9 | z (using the unique factorization theorem)
(This step may require more work, depending on how many consequences of the UFT you've seen in class.)
3 | 9
Thus 3 | z (transitivity)

Since 3|y and 3|z, then 3|(y,z).
QED
>
>2. Let G be the following group of permutations.
>G = {(3), (1234), (13)(24), (1432), (24), (12)(34),
>(13), (14)(23)}.
>Let H = {(1), (1234), (13)(24), (1432)}.
>Prove H is cyclic and find all the cosets of H in G.

(First, I assume that the first permutation in G is (1). Otherwise, it's not a group and nothing makes sense.)

The first part is fairly simple. To prove that a group is cyclic, all you need is to find a generator and then prove that that generator works. Since H has only 4 elements, trial and error should be quite quick.

So my solution would go as follows:
Claim: g:=(1234) is a generator of H.
Proof: Let this group act on the "word" abcd.

g(abcd) = dabc
g^2(abcd) = g(dabc) = cdab = [(13)(24)](abcd)
(ie, g^2 = (13)(24) )
g^3(abcd) = g(cdab) = bcda = [(1432)](abcd)
(ie, g^3 = (1432) )
g^4(abcd) = g(bcda) = abcd = [(1)](abcd)
(ie, g^4 = (1))
QED

The second part is also comparatively straight forward. A subgroup always divides the big group into equal parts when you take cosets. Furthermore, these equal parts are the same size as the subgroup. So, since H has 4 elements, it divides the 8-element group G into 2 parts:

{(1),(1234),(13)(24),(1432)} = H and
{(24), (12)(34),(13), (14)(23)} (the rest).

If I were grading this, I would accept what I've written here as a decent proof although I might like references to theorems for each of the sentences which I just stated.

Hope that helps.

Lynn

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