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Date Posted: - Tuesday - 09/ 7/10 - 7:15pm
Author: Leo
Subject: Backing out of slip with higher crosswinds

Looking for suggestions/tips on backing my Mariner 32 out of the slip. When the direct crosswind picks up to above 15 kts I am having trouble getting the bow to turn into the wind. Any tips?

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[> Change your perspective... -- Paul - 1971 mariner 31 - #106, - Tuesday - 09/ 7/10 - 8:28pm

You will NOT be able to "turn the bow" unless you have a bow prop or something... the prop and rudder are only able to move the stern of the boat via prop walk and pressure on the rudder...

On my boat, with left handed prop, I get prop walk to starboard as I put the engine in revers (for stopping or to start backing).

To point the boat in the direction I want in tight quarters I make the stern move (remember, you can't move the bow) towards it's preferred direction (propwalk) by giving hard rudder to port and keeping it there, while alternating with short but relatively powerful bursts of prop action in forward and reverse...

The forward thrust finds the rudder and pushes the stern to starboard as if to make a turn to port; as soon as I start to make measurable forward motion, put the engine in reverse and the prop walk will continue to favor moing the boat's stern to starboard while breaking and eventually edging to reverse motion, which is then stopped by another burst forward - all along with the rudder hard to port.

Sometimes you'll have to make a 270 degree turn - starting in the wrong direction - but believe me, the boat will not move the boat's stern against the prop walk when there is little room and an opposing wind... You'll just see-saw your way down wind without ability to get the stern behind the bow into the wind...

Finally, if all fails, it is probably better to back out and continue backing into a spot where there is a bit more room to get enough forward motion to turn the boat in the direction you seek...

Sorry for the lenghty response...


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[> Backing with crosswinds -- Tom, - Wednesday - 09/ 8/10 - 1:55pm

I, and all others at my marina, have this problem. The only thing we've found that works is to get a long line. My slip has the pier to starboard. I have someone at the stern holding the line and the line, with one-half wrap around the end cleat. The line needs to be a minimum of twice the boat length. After we've backed into the channel far enough, after clearing the other boats, we pull the stern around by pulling on the line. with no knots in the line, the bitter end will round the cleat and you can pull it home. It is the only way we've found as the engine and the prop walk just isn't sufficient.


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[> Two suggestions -- Capt'n Mike "Gypsy Mariner" TM36K, - Thursday - 09/ 9/10 - 12:18pm

Two suggestions:

1. Try using the mizzen to turn you both into the wind, or

2. Always dock your boat by backing it into the slip. This is the method I use. 5 or 6 years ago I would put the bow into the slip first, but one day I need to evacuate the slip as a tropical storm was bearing down and almost could not make it out by backing against the high wind and waves. I would have lost the boat if she would have stayed in the marina. After that, I began backing into the slip. The first few times it might be a little difficult, but after you get the hang of it, you'll always back your boat into the slip - and you look like an ol' salt doing it!


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[> Use the Wind -- Lawrence Killingsworth Ta' Ata Ori M40, - Monday - 09/13/10 - 2:51pm

Backing out of a slip (or maneuvering in close quarters) with a major crosswind is probably the most challenging (and unpleasant) facet of sailing a Mariner.
In my case, guiding nearly 14 tons of a vessel with a full keel and a bowsprit sticking out 6 feet in front makes me envy my marina neighbors docking their with modern boats with fin keels, turning on a dime.
Over the years, I have learned: 1) dead slow is the only way to go and 2) when you get her out of the slip a bit, the pressure of the wind on the main mast (no sails up) will slowly bring the bow around if you back out into the wind. This approach may not work for all of you in every situation, but it has certainly helped me in the crosswind situation.


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[> Follow-Up -- Lawrence Killingsworth M40 Ta' Ata Ori, - Monday - 09/13/10 - 5:20pm

I guess what I'm trying to get across here is, if the objective is to bring the bow around so you can get out of the marina, you don't necessarily have to bring it around into the wind. There'll be plenty of time and room for that once you're out.


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