Re: Sharon, you want to jump in here? -- Mondio Mania

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Date Posted: 15:16:14 05/24/04 Mon
Author: Sharon
Subject: Re: Sharon, you want to jump in here?
In reply to: Dave Putnam 's message, "Sharon, you want to jump in here?" on 08:03:58 05/20/04 Thu

http://www.californiamondioring.org/trial/trial-video_content.html
has the defense w/ Kathy & DYNAmite ot Vitosha the only players to pass that exercise and the only ones to "Q" on Sunday. Micheal Ellis's level 2 version of the defense was even more difficult.....
the en avant is myself and O'Bre-on's YSHA Rose, fastest dog in Corning w/ oldest decoy:)))

As far as "old pro's", to date, only Kathy O, Glenn Salamanca and Francis Metcalf have trialed at level 3. Fran and Glenn only once each. Kathy & Bomber played at level 3, I believe 8 times w/ 6 of those scores being under 300 points. Bomber's highest score was 328 points and I predict that it will be a long time before we see as good as score.

Rene Sagarra, our friend and coach has trialed 22 times with scores OVER 300 points.

Jos Helsen, our last judge, has played and judged at many world championships. He took a few bags of junk to prepare the field and made simple exercises that exposed some serious holes in all our training (except for Kathy on Sunday, but I KNOW she has other holes:)))

My point being someone like Jos can and should humble us to pushing the boundaries of our minds and training.

MY DEFENSE training NOTES (from mondio list post on 4/24 w/ other stuff)
Defence of Handler, Train for
Handshake control at intial meeting
Distraction Control - walk by and have decoy try to escort off dog, have decoy flee etc
Protection of Handler - teach dog to circle handler when decoy circles handler
Use more than one decoy (new one I saw in Lenzberg was decoys shaking hands w/ each other) doing all kinds of weird stuff to you and each other Carry, pull, push things
Learn to position your dog so that they are in an optimun position when the
aggression occurs. Think about what this is and and how it will work BEFORE you go on the field. You can use your body language to present something to or to block your dog.
We train almost always with a flee/bite before the recall so the dog is not anticipating a recall, thus loosing your guard points.
Always go back to using a leash when you have an unsure or new/difficult scenario. Our club Level 3 dogs often go back to using a leash in training for the defense.
Sometimes we also train the transport after the first "training flee" Though there is not a transport in the defense, they both are technical exercises
and it kind of organically works for us

From playing w/ Jos, I would add:

Train distractions from FAR away as well as close by
Train distractions going TO and away from handler
Use judge/ Dep/field helper to make distractions as well as decoys.
Use loud noises (like gun:) for distractions
Mixing search possibility like using blind for decoy/

Jos told us that he trains the obedience part of the defense for ONE YEAR before the dog gets the bite.
Too late for me to train this way, but an interesting thought...

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Replies:

Defense of handler as an OB exercise -- Dave Putnam, 12:55:23 05/25/04 Tue
- Re: Defense of handler as an OB exercise -- J.D.M., 17:27:35 05/27/04 Thu
  - Re: Defense of handler as an OB exercise -- Ann Putegnat, 18:00:22 05/28/04 Fri
    - Re: Defense of handler as an OB exercise -- J.D.M., 18:22:56 06/15/04 Tue
Re: Sharon, you want to jump in here? -- Ann Putegnat, 17:56:36 05/28/04 Fri