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Date Posted: Thursday, April 01, 10:46:17pm
Author: Maverick
Subject: Re: Thall Shall Complain
In reply to: RavenCrow 's message, "Re: Thall Shall Complain" on Thursday, April 01, 05:14:39pm

hey dude, do you ever look at the club set lists? we DO spin ebm & industrial, but like the website explains> we spin what people dance to the most. hey, id like to go to a club that spins Ghosting and Sopor Aeternus, but unless i go to Germany it wont happen here any time soon, well, the first hour at the club. most of the people that come to FS dance to the dark 80z and new wave. any club promoter and dj in their right mind isnt going to spin music that isnt AS popular... so thats why we have other events like the up coming blackout party at deja vu, which will be ALL ebm and industrial. if you check out the Futureshockk site and read the details of each event you wont be caught off guard.

but some people like you would rather drive to LA than go out here in Fresno to whats available. when i was 18 i drove to LA and SF too, the only difference is that there was NOTHING AT ALL in Fresno.

-Maverick





>I went to the 1st 18+ futuresockk and paid the $10 but
>I was disappointed and have not gone back.
>
>I wanted to hear Wumpscut, Imperative Reaction, VNV
>Nation, Velvet Acid Christ, Icon of Coil, And One,
>Lights of Euphoria, Project Pitchfork, Informatik,
>BlutEngel, Apoptygma Berzerk, Die Form, Covenant,
>Razed In Black, SNOG, KMFDM, Funker Vogt, Kevorkian
>Death Cycle and a bunch of other Metropolis Records
>Bands. But all I heard was songs that were over 20
>years old. It was'nt like the futureshockk event at
>Tokyo Tei that I enjoyed last year?
>
>I guess I’ll have to drive to Perversion, Wumpskate,
>Das Bunker, Death Guild, until there is an 18+ event
>that will play more EBM here.
>
>RC
>
>>Man I know how that feels. Not only did it suck to be
>>underage and unable to get into most clubs but it also
>>sucked to live hours away from modern civilization.
>>All of us 21+ had to do our time. I'm still doing my
>>time because civilization is still hours away; I'm
>>stuck trying to start a scene in Bakersfield. It sucks
>>when you put so much of what little time you have into
>>trying to start something fun for people and nobody
>>shows up or participates. The majority take these
>>things for granted and are too conceited to realize
>>the amount of money and effort put into organizing
>>these events (less than half of those subscribed ever
>>seem to show). Not to mention all the people who don't
>>attend or support the scene that feel like we should
>>cater to them more or run with their ideas and
>>criticism. They should be lucky that there even is a
>>"scene" or "goth" people. Back in the day we were just
>>the weird loner kids in black who might be ambling
>>along with the skaters, punks, and metalheads. We were
>>bad apples, "goth" wasn't really a term. We were bored
>>shiteless and had to make our own fun. So for those
>>who are "too cool" to show up to these sorts of
>>events: They can stay bored and try to make their own
>>fun (and try not to get arrested). I feel bad for
>>those underage who showed up and really wanted
>>something to do. They end up with the bad rep that so
>>few have tried hard to shed.
>>So until there's a scene where I am, I guess I'll
>>still be driving 2 hours north or south for any fun.
>>Maybe next month I'll have to put in for a day off and
>>head north... be grateful for what you have.
>>
>>
>>> hey, they had their chance. it was made clear in the
>>>beginning that if they didnt support the 18+ side of
>>>the venue it would be discontinued. for 3 months they
>>>had ample opportunity to rally their friends and make
>>>it happen. we have 250+ people on our news letter
>>>list. many of them are young people who got our
>>>announcements and knew about the parties, but still
>>>they never showed up. most of the people who even go
>>>to goffee are over 21. no one under 21 has the right
>>>to complain, besides the few Die Hards we had on the
>>>18+ side (who i personally know). why is this sad
>news
>>>to a group of people who were never there to begin
>>>with? we had 130+ people on the 21+ side at
>>>Futureshockk Sunday night. compare that to the 2
>>>(count that: T W O ) on the 18+ side. Dorothy and
>>>Adam. last month there were 6 people on the 18+ side
>(
>>>S I X ).
>>>
>>>a young Maverick Cadaverick at the age of 18 was
>>>driving 3 hours on Tuesday Nights to San Francisco to
>>>go dance at Roderick's Chamber. sometimes i had
>school
>>>the next day. sometimes it would be 3 or 4 months
>>>until i could go again. it was a very special treat
>to
>>>be able to go to a club all dressed up and dance and
>>>party with cool people i longed to be around...and it
>>>still is to this day. i would have KILLED for a
>chance
>>>to be able to be a part of something like that when i
>>>was 18 in Fresno. but there was NOTHING. i drove 4
>>>hours to Coven 13 in LA back in 1998 because there
>was
>>>no scene here at the time. the Shroud played
>>>sometimes, but there wasnt a dance club. all the
>clubs
>>>in Fresno at the time were 21+. and i was too young
>>>when the Light House was around. all i had was
>>>dressing spooky and hanging out at Java Cafe in the
>>>Tower. honestly i dont know what i would have done
>had
>>>there been a goth community in Fresno at hand for me
>>>to indulge in when i was under 21. so instead i
>>>created my own spooky world for my lonesome and went
>>>to LA and SF when i could. how dare anyone in Fresno
>>>under 21 complain about there being nothing to do,
>>>what we have created for them in the here and now
>isnt
>>>something to do??? there was no fresnogoth.com
>hosting
>>>Goffee nights and special events. even just hanging
>>>out at a cafe with neat goth people would have been a
>>>special treat for me at 18, but i was by my self in
>>>the cemetery smoking cigars atop tombstones. anyone
>>>with a bad attitude over this 18+ bull shit must
>>>realize that i and everyone else paid our dues and
>had
>>>to wait too. but holy hell, at least you have this
>>>website and other social events to take part in.
>which
>>>is waaaaay more than i had when i was under 21 in
>>>Fresno. which wasnt that long ago, im only 25. and i
>>>realize that not everyone under 21 can make it out to
>>>all the events, but you have no right to complain.
>>>
>>>so this morning i check my inbox. 3 Emails regarding
>>>the no mas 18+ at Futureshockk. one from Astrid that
>>>is sad for the kiddies. one from a nice young lady
>who
>>>is bummed but ready as all hell for her 21st B-Day in
>>>September and the following Email from some dude with
>>>a bad attitude:
>>>
>>>" "Remove" if there are no more 18+ events, then
>there
>>>is not point of me being on the list."
>>>
>>>HAHAHA. who is this guy? never met him at Goffee,
>>>cause he WASNT THERE. Goffee is ALL ages by the way.
>>>he wasnt at the Pick-a-Nick last summer. and he sure
>>>as hell wasnt at Futureshockk on Sunday night! so why
>>>complain? but now I'M the bad guy cause no one 18+
>>>came out to support it besides a few die hards. I'M
>>>the big bad wolf, even there were no piggies in the
>>>house that got blown down. boo fucking hoo.
>>>
>>>little do any of them know how fucking hard i fought
>>>to provide 18+ events. Tokyo Tei, Barbie Q, Goffee,
>>>the Ren Faire booth... and all the long restless
>hours
>>>i spent for people under 21. my friends told me i was
>>>wasting my time but i still insisted on providing 18+
>>>events. now i feel fucking stupid. but you know what,
>>>ill probably still be an idiot and try for more 18+
>>>events because thats the kind of foolish person i am.
>>>for now im out of steam and the 18+ people can sit on
>>>it. at least theres goffee, but its probably not good
>>>enough for them.
>>>
>>>-Maverick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>That really sucks for the under 21s. I thought that
>>>>the venue was going pretty strong but was it the
>>>>second or third one that they had?
>>>>I guess they cant complain anymore since they had
>>>>their chance.Sucks for those under 21 that DID go
>>>>and support it : (

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