| Subject: Re: god, who can't logically exist. |
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Date Posted: 10:38:45 09/01/00 Fri
In reply to:
James
's message, "Re: god, who can't logically exist." on 08:29:27 09/01/00 Fri
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> Useing words like COULD and POSSIBLE are just ways of
> saying we don't know.
yes, what's so wrong with that? you don't KNOW any of the things you believe you know. they are not facts.
Yet you put your faith in
> science oh sorry trust, when it hasn't PROVEN a damn
> thing about where we came from has it?
actually it HAS proven a lot about where we came from, regardless of what you believe about it, evolution is a proven fact.
Yet you are
> willing to accept it with blind faith.
not blind faith, logical trust. you're the one utilizing blind faith in your beliefs, not i.
> Whoa now you're sounding all philosophical. And again
> according to a scientific method approch that would be
> BS because nobody has ever seen these other universes
> or travelled to a different demention.
claiming that these hypothesis are TRUE would be scientific bullshit, but as you can see i never claimed them to be true, i merely claimed them as a SCIENTIFIC possibility, which they are, according to our modern understanding of reality. besides, it's spelled as "dimension", and btw, you are wrong in that label, a child/mother universe would NOT be another dimension. neither would a parallel universe be called a dimension. dimensions are things such as height, length, width, time. those are dimensions, unfortunately, popular sci-fi has made it so that generally ignorant people such as yourself call anything outside of our own sense of reality a different dimension, which is quite false.
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> But while we are on that subject. You believe in other
> dementions?
"dimensions". and yes, the 4th spatial dimension is quite an established fact, as are dimensions beyond that. according to modern superstring theory, our universe consists out of 16 such dimensions (we can only discern 4 of them, the 3 spatial dimensions, and time).
Good. So do I. God can be explained by
> using the extra demensional theory.
no he can't.
Know what that is?
> If not I will explain. It means that things that exist
> in a higher level of demensions cannot be understood
> by things in a lower demension.
that's not a theory, that's not even an hypothesis.
So let's say Mr.
> Square on a chart is a life-form. And only exists in
> two demensions. WE as 3D beings cann see the whole
> part of Mr. Square all at once. We can see his past
> present and future all at once because we would exist
> in more demensions that he. We would exist in all
> times and places to him all at once. Which would be
> totally inconcievable to him. But we would know that
> it was true.
unfortunately this is not completely true, we are 3 (spatial) dimensionsional creatures (even though we exist in more than that), so according to your theory we can not understand the 4th spatial dimension. this is false, we can calculate the 4th spatial dimension and have done so.
even if your hypothesis were to be true, that would not prove OR explain god.
>
> Now let's say Mr. Squares "God" was a cube. The cube
> could reveal parts of himself to Mr. Square like a
> point, or line segment or even one whole side. But
> could never reveal to Mr. Square His whole being
> because Mr. Square could not understand a third
> demension.
>
he could through the use of math.
> But does the cube-god exist? Well of course he does.
> But can Mr. Square prove it? Nope. So would Mr. Square
> be a fool for saying there is no cube-god then? Yes,
> because we all know he exists.
no he would not be a fool, in fact he would be quite intelligent for not blindly believing it. it is quite stupid to believe in something when you can not prove that something, nonetheless, "mr.square" (what a childish name) could, using advanced math (advanced for him anyway), prove the possibility for the cube to exist. but then again, such a being would not really be a god anyway, his "powers" would be the result of the physical universe, which would not be his creation.
but again, we can calculate the 4th dimension and certain anomalies we can explain through the use of 4th dimensional space.
> I don't know where God came from. All I know is "In
> the beginning GOD..." It is just accepted that He does
> exist and brought everything into creation. It doesn't
> say how he came into being. I doubt I could even
> understand it if he explained.
in the beginning? what beginning? why accept that he does exist? this is not accepted except by people like you. in science, we NEVER just "accept" that something exists, this is called doubt, and this is neccesary in such matters to objectively understand and explain them. you have blind faith that god exists and brought everything in creation (as you said: "it's just accepted...") that is rather stupid to be mild. if god created everything, then god is nothing, because otherwise he created himself. does not sound very possible that he created himself. if he created everything (save for himself), he would also have created time, which is an impossibility because the very ACT of creation requires time to exist.
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