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Date Posted: 18:28:08 10/11/04 Mon
Author: Lesli Taylor
Subject: To Award Grand Champion Titles at Championship or Not??

Dear NARA Members:

The following discussion has taken place on the NARA bulletin board. We, the Board of Directors sincerely solicit your opinion on the following matter.

�Should Nara should adopt the policy that if for example in Ring III, at a Championship if no one has a qualifying score, there is no Ring III Grand Champion for that year??�

We look forward to hearing your thoughts on this matter.

Respectfully,

Lesli Taylor

Following is how this discussion got started: http://p069.ezboard.com/fringsportfrm4.showMessage?topicID=203.topic

****By Lesli Taylor: Re: Decoy Super Selection

Thanks Richard for the clarification and thanks for reminding me that both you and Glenn shared duties as the Ring III handler�s portion of the judging. I wasn't sure who did what between you and Glenn, getting there late as I was so sick, so that is helpful.

I never saw your initial comments, just the ones someone else posted saying that "Richard said no one won" and I should have known not to say anything without checking.

I do have a clarification of my first post though. In essence, while each decoy scored and placed from first to fourth according to their scores. This was a decoy Super Selection, with the goal being to achieve a Level III status. Since none was awarded, then in reality no one "won", since no one passed. As you said an NQ is an NQ.

Yep, we all agree they're winners and they all put their hearts into it, but since it was a contest to see who would become a Level III decoy and none of them were awarded that status, then no one did "pass".

Just as if someone were to claim that their dog had achieved Ring III status or "Ring III Champion" who had never gotten a passing score in Ring III. That claim would be a falsehood and a false title.

So, since no one was awarded a Level III certification, then indeed no one passed.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Les

****Then Christine Johnson answered with this, a very good question:

Non qualifying score

Lesli has brought up an interesting subject that I think has needed addressing for a very long time. With no disrespect to lesli...... I have a problem with the last post that said if a dog has the highest score and that score is a non- qualifing score than the "title " is a false title.
For example....My German Shepherd "won"
2000 Vice Champion R111
2000 Highest scoring self trained R111
and Grand National Champion 2000 R111

He recieved trophies and titles all with a non qualifing score. These are his titles.

Nara should adopt the policy that if for example in R111 at a championship if no one has a qualifing score, there is no R111 Champion for that year. It is hipocritical to give out a trophy and a title to a non qualifing score, but then to say it has no merit.

Just my opinion.....

****Our good buddy and NON-NARA member N.R. responded, but I don�t need to mess up this Board with his post and finally I responded with this:

Re: Title or Not??

Dear Christine,

Thank you for bringing up a good point. I have for a long time had a hard time giving out trophies for "placements" or giving �titles� to dog that did not qualify. But, the status quo has been that if you had trophies for first place through third place, you gave them out according to who came in what place. Regardless of qualifying score or not. I mean, what would one do??? Throw away the trophy that so much money was spent on??? How would the competitor feel to show up and be awarded nothing??? What a waste of the membership's money, right?? Perhaps this is how people wind up getting the trophies and hence the titles?

How can a dog be a Ring III Grand Champion if indeed it did not pass Ring III? This is not personal to you or anyone else, regardless of what people might think but a serious question. Honestly. How can a dog be a Grand Champion of a Level they never attained??????

Yes, the dog placed first out of so many and yes the dog beat all the other dogs that day, so I have no issue with "First Place" Ring III (or Insert Level here) if indeed the dog comes in first. But to be awarded the title of a Grand Champion when the dog does not pass is confusing since it is really not a Champion of its level since it doesn't pass, right?? (and again, this is only my personal opinion - however I hear it echoed by many of our constituents)

I have no problem with "First Place" or "High in Trial" but to be a Champion of something, shouldn't one at least get a qualifying score???

What I believe occurs, is that because there is specific verbiage in the NARA Championship Policies of what exactly the trophies must read, that whoever comes in first place that day, gets the trophy with that verbiage stating they are �North American Ring Association Ring III Grand Champion�. Since there is no trophy for the first �placer� with a non-qualifying score, I doubt anyone knew what to do with the trophies, so they awarded them to the first through third places, regardless of qualifying or not, because what else would one do with them?

The NARA President, upon seeing your post here has just put up a motion before the Board of Directors to do exactly what you ask. Change the NARA Policy to reflect that no title gets awarded if there is no qualifying score.

One last thing. Don�t accuse NARA of being hypocritical because I personally post my own opinion on this matter. While I speak as a Board member, don�t confuse what I say as me speaking on behalf of the whole Board of directors or NARA.

What does the membership feel on this issue? Please cross post this to you Zonal Boards so the Board of Directors can hear your thoughts. This is YOUR NARA and you need to let the Board hear your thoughts.

Thank you,

Lesli

Lesli Taylor, Treasurer
North American Ring Association
http://www.ringsport.org

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Replies:

Re: To Award Grand Champion Titles at Championship or Not?? -- eddiez, 20:24:29 10/11/04 Mon
Re: To Award Grand Champion Titles at Championship or Not?? -- Michael Phipps, 18:14:17 10/13/04 Wed