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Subject: Re: A Man's Trauma


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Diane Cheryl
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Date Posted: 09:50:36 02/01/05 Tue
In reply to: Andrew 's message, "A Man's Trauma" on 08:43:19 01/30/05 Sun

Andrew,
I'm so sorry to hear your story. I will be glad to help you but I'm traveling right now. Will be home tonight and have more time.
Sincerely,
Diane Cheryl

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Author:
Kris
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Date Posted: 09:41:35 02/02/05 Wed

Andrew ~ I am sorry for your loss and the pain you are feeling. I have a lot I would like to say, let me see how well I can express it to you. Your pain is real, and it is good for you to start looking for a healing process. You recognize this baby was human, was your child - and you have lost that. Losing something important (precious) will bring us grief - getting through a greiving process is important. You need to grieve to heal. You did a good thing by lighting a candle - that's a start. Here are some facts about grief:

"Bereavement means, literally, to be deprived by death. After someone dies, you go through a process of mourning. Numbness, anger and sadness can all be part of that process. Bereavement can also cause physical reactions including sleeplessness, loss of energy and loss of appetite.
Grief is normal
When someone is bereaved, they usually experience an intense feeling of sorrow - grief. People grieve in order to accept a deep loss and carry on with their life. Experts believe that if you do not grieve at the time of death, or shortly after, the grief may stay bottled up inside you. This can cause emotional problems or physical illness later on. Working through your grief can be a painful process, but it is often necessary to ensure your future emotional and physical well-being.

The stages of grief
There is no single way to grieve. Everyone is different and each person grieves in his or her own way. However, some stages of grief are commonly experienced by people when they are bereaved. There is no set timescale for these stages to be reached, but it can be helpful to be aware of the stages and to consider that intense emotions and swift changes in mood are normal. Feeling emotionally numb is often the first reaction to a loss, and may last for a few hours, days or longer.

The numbness may be replaced by a deep yearning for the person who has died. You may feel agitated or angry, and find it difficult to concentrate, relax or sleep. You may also feel guilty, dwelling on arguments you had with that person or on emotions and words you wished you had expressed.

This period of strong emotion usually gives way to bouts of intense sadness, silence and withdrawal from family and friends. During this time, you may be prone to sudden outbursts of tears, set off by reminders and memories of the dead person.

Over time, the pain, sadness and depression starts to lessen. You begin to see your life in a more positive light again, although it is important to acknowledge that you may not completely overcome the feeling of loss.

The final phase of grieving is to let go of the person who has died and move on with your life. This helps sadness to clear, and your sleeping patterns and energy levels to return to normal. *Letting go does not mean forgetting them.
How long does grieving take?
The grieving process can take time and should not be hurried. How long it takes depends on you and your situation. In general, though, it takes most people one to two years to recover from a major bereavement.

Coping with the grief process
There are many things you can do to help yourself cope during this time. Ask for help and support from family, friends or a support group. Try to express whatever you are feeling, be it anger, guilt or sadness. Accept that some things, like death, are beyond your control. Give yourself the time and space to grieve. By doing so, you are able to mourn properly.

What if you aren't coping?
Sometimes, the grieving process is especially difficult. Some people may find it impossible to acknowledge the bereavement at all, which can mean that their feelings are not worked through properly. Others may be unable to move on from their grief, making it impossible to rebuild their lives."

Some CPC's offer post abortion counseling for women - I do not know for sure if any in your area would also offer it for men. I think the "norm" is that Men are ignored in this situation.

Andrew, step one is going to be to forgive yourself. The situation was taken out of your hands, and you really didn't have a choice in the matter.

You mentioned that you are not a religious person - yet, you did turn to a church at a point of deep pain. I would like to suggest that you try a church. God is real, and He can mend broken hearts. I don't want to sound preachy - but I do know that it is true.

I would like to also suggest that you get a journal and write down how you are feeling, start from the beginning and work through all your emotions. Getting your feelings out and down on paper can be healing as well. No one has to read your journal - you can setroy it afterwards - but it really does help.

It would be more helpful if you have a support network - a close friend you can confide in. It's also good you are looking for help here as well.

If you would like to "talk" more, you can email me as well. I am not a professional counselor, but I've had some hard knocks in life that have sent me throgh the grieving process as well. (Been there, done that).

Kris


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Author:
Kris
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Date Posted: 10:59:33 02/04/05 Fri

Dear Andrew,

I think you are right about the abortion debate/information. There are two "extremes" - yet if you ponder it all for a while, you can probably understand that it is a fairly "Black and White" issue - hence, the only options are to either be for abortion or against it. I personally can't see a middle of the road - how can you "compromise" on either having an abortion or not having one? I don't think you can. (Even in your situation, if a friend came to you and asked if they should go ahead with an abortion, how would you honestly answer them, now knowing what you know about how it has affected your life?)

Anyhow, there is a lot of information out there that includes the emotional consequences, unfortunately, your girlfriend got information from the "pro-choice" view, which claims there isn't anything to worry about. The facts are that both women and men suffer emotionally from the experience. There are also physical risks, some of them life long (I have a dear friend who was made sterile from an abortion).

I had a personal experience at a Planned Parenthood when I was very young (17). I had gone there for a pregnancy test, and freaked when it showed positive. They offered "counseling" and I accepted, the counselor offered me abortion - and I was resistant to it. (I was also raised Catholic & was attending a Catholic High School, and I knew what the church said about that). She then told me there was nothing that she could do to help me! I felt so hopeless and alone - it was the most awful feeling in the world - thoughts of suicide entered my mind the despair was so deep. A few weeks later I had a miscarriage - a bad one that almost cost me my life. I think the stress from the whole thing took its toll on me. I do think that PP has an "agenda" and that they offered me only one option and no help in any other way. That's why my first had personal experience know's you are correct in your assesment of the issue. However, I have volunteered in crisis pregnancy centers since then, and they offer girls more options and give them information on adoption or financial assistance if they are keeping the baby & they need the help. 100% of the young women that came in already knew about abortion and their option there - so they didn't need any details on that, but we had them if they wanted more info. Some would choose to abort, and some would choose to keep the baby now that they knew they had support. A Crisis Pregnancy Center also offers a non-condemning post abortion counseling program that is free of charge - I don't see PP doing that at all. If anything PP works all the harder at covering up the "truth" of the consequences.

The other fact is this, when we humans are void of God, we lack so many things. Our hearts are hard, and we choose to go our own way. That's why you will not find a secular answer to the problem. "Secular" people are looking out for #1 - it's not about loving your neighbor as yourself. Therefore you will not find a caring movement of groups or individuals that are helping women in crisis situations. IMHO.

"Christians" whether Catholic or otherwise are not an entire network of prefect people by any means, but you will find that when someone has truly yielded their heart to God, they loose that hardness of heart and want to help others and "love thy neighbor" - it's a natural progression in that instance. Christian's aren't trying to push an agenda on anyone, only stand up for what they know to be true and right. Christian's founded many hospitals and orphanges and even colleges - all for the betterment of mankind. They still go out into the world and try to do these things.

If you find it healing, I would suggest you look up the history of Planned Parenthood, and abortion and really figure out what it's all about. If things are still too painful, then don't do that now. You need to find peace in all this.

I'm glad you posted here and I'm glad to have shared some dialogue with you on the subject. I truly do hope you can get past it all and feel better when you emerge from it all.

I would only like to encourage you not to harden your heart on it all - something we can tend to do in order to protect ourselves.
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Author:
Andrew
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Date Posted: 22:24:23 02/21/05 Mon

Hi Kris

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and making some suggestions.

Thru most of my life, I viewed abortion as a woman's issue and not one in which I could express a strong view given that I will never bear a child. Having had my recent experience, my views are changing. I am starting to take a very strong view that abortion is actually encouraged in our society and that this is wrong. I also think that as you say, people are rarely told the truth about the impact of abortion. I will check out the history of PP.

I do sometimes feel a little guilty that it took personal experience for me to develop strong views on this issue. I am starting to feel that I need a more consistent set of humanist moral values that, for me, are in line with the Catholic religion. I had a discussion with a Catholic friend recently who is strongly pro-life but also strongly against capital punishment and euthanasia. I can see myself moving down that road.

In terms of having a 'hard heart', I again agree that this way of being is becoming more common and that religious belief is one of the only forces that restrains it. I am thinking about it again and can see myself becoming more religiously engaged.

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Author:
Andrew
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Date Posted: 22:20:34 02/21/05 Mon

Kris

Thanks for your post. It seems like grieving simply takes time. I find myself thinking over and over again about the circumstances that led to the abortion and ways in which I could have prevented it. If I or my ex girlfriend had known the emotional consequences of having an abortion, it would not have happened. I know that before the abortion, she received conseling - she told me afterwards that the counselor had told her that there was plenty of time for her to have children and that having an abortion would not damange her health or ability to have other children. In summary, the counselor told her that if she didn't feel right about having the child at that time that she shouldn't have it. Although I wasn't there and my girlfriend may have given me only limited feedback on her counseling, I feel that she wasn't given sufficient information on the emotional consequences of abortion. Although, I did not ultimately make the choice to abort, I was also completely unaware of its consequences.

For these reasons, I feel angry that neither I or my girlfriend had access to more information on the emotional consequences of abortion. I also feel that the issue of abortion is so polarized in the United States that people seem to take one of two extreme ideological positions on the issue. My girlfriend was always very sceptical of the pro life lobby and I was agnostic. If there was a secular movement that sought to find ways for women to get thru unplanned pregancies, it would be a very positive step. Instead, the secular folks seem to actually encourage abortion unless a person's situation is preceived to be suitable.

As for religion - I am originally from Northern Ireland and was born a Catholic. The politicization of Irish religion drove me away from the church as was the case for most of my peers. However, at times of grief and pain, I do find comfort in Catholic churches.

Thanks again for your post and for your advice.

Andrew


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