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Date Posted: 20:12:01 02/22/03 Sat
Author: Faithsguy
Subject: Sorry I'm posting a lot today but....
We need an ending to season seven, lets make suggestions, heres mine::
The First evil was banished into the deepest pits of the hellmouth by a powerful spell Willow does while Buffy Faith and the potentials fight it. Since the First not officially destroyed, evil is still allowed to roam the earth. The only way the first evil can come back is if the hellmouth fully opens which we all know would mean the end of the world anyway.
In the final battle, that new guy Caleb is killed the first is banished.
This way we can just move right into the eigth season quickly without dealing with season seven.
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Re: -- Mark, 20:14:40 02/22/03 Sat
Yeah that's fine. I don't even think we really need that much of an ending to season 7. I mean, how many times have they mentioned Adam or Glory in the past few years? I think the more open-ended we keep it, the better. We should just keep the references limited, only used when needed. And plus, that's what they do in the real 'Buffy' anyway.
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yeah maybe we should... -- Faithsguy, 20:21:32 02/22/03 Sat
but i think posters are gonna ask, and the only reason I went into detail was because if we say that the first was banished to the hellmouth, then when the four horsemen or Proserpexa comes out of it people are gonna ask "Where is the First" so we say that the only way it can come out is if the hellmouth is fully opened.
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Re: -- Mark, 20:24:15 02/22/03 Sat
Yeah thats fine :) Actually I didn't think you went into too much detail I thought that was a fine description of the First and stuff. I just didn't want it to be like, "Remember when we fought the First and we used the Spell of the Ancients to corner it and banish it from this world by locking it into the Hellmouth and the Caleb died while we fought the two-headed guardian of the First inside the Hellmouth once the gates were opened and..." lol you get the idea.
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LOL!!!!! I see your point! -- Faithsguy, 20:26:22 02/22/03 Sat
I'm guessing the issue of "why the first isnt coming out" can be addressed when the hellmouth its self its opened later in the season lol!!!
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S7 could actually present some problems, but you're probably right... even if only for our own reference. -- Wyvern, 22:39:50 02/22/03 Sat
I mean, it doesn't really matter, as Mark says, after all, how may times have they mentioned Adam or Glory since they were disposed of? But it would probably help us, and especially the people writing the first couple of episodes, to know where things stood for the Scoobies prior to the events of "S8"... I'm assuming we're allowing for the usual 3 month intervening period, and it's true that not all seasons have ended in such a way as to have a huge impact on the opening of the next season, but on the other hand, imagine if we had been planning to do this after S2 (Eek! The slayer buggered off and left town! Where's she gone? Is she coming back!?) or S5 (Eek! The slayer's dead! How do we get her back?) or S6 (Eek! The slayer's still here but her best mate's gone a bit wonky and her vampire sort-of nemesis/ex-boyfriend has gone off to Africa and got a soul!).
As you say, your way deals with it quickly and lets us into the new season. I think my only real concern is that we're going to be finishing up roughly when S7 wraps, depending when we start(if I've worked it out about right... it's about 13 weeks to the end of the season, if everything goes to plan it'll take us 11 weeks to go through ours) which means that potentially things could happen throughout S7 that should really have an impact on S8 (eg. characters moving on, something happening that affects the whole slayer thing, something happening on the hellmouth, the storyline with the FE not going even remotely as we expect, AtS beating us to the "Horsemen" thing - don't think they will, but it's a possible, their latest Apocalypse is clearly based on the Revelations model).
So maybe the question shouldn't so much be, how do we end S7, as do we allow our storyline for S8 to alter if the BtVS canon makes parts of it either redundant or inconsistant, or do we ignore it and consider our storyline to be completely AU?
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I totally see what you're saying -- Mark, 23:00:19 02/22/03 Sat
In fact, I was thinking that exact same thing today, that we're going to finish pretty close to the actual finish of Season 7 in the USA. So how do we handle it? Well, let's say a writer is writing a Kennedy-centric episode due on Thursday, but Tuesday comes, and its a big episode and Kennedy dies! It doesn't seem fair to the writer to now totally change everything they had to write because of something in season 7.
I think our only choice is to just ignore pretty much anything new that happens in season 7. It could be fun to reference things that have already happened, like the whole "Is Giles the FE?" storyline or maybe someone making a comment about how nice it is to have the house to themselves without twenty teens running around, or when Spike was crazy in the beginning of the season.
But for the real story parts, and I'm sure there will be huge things to come in the last five episodes of s7, I think our only choice is to just ignore it and continue writing without changing much. Because lol I have a feeling it would get VERY hard to not only write season 8, but writer season 8 and accomodate everything that happened in seaosn 7 at the same time.
What do you all think? Yes? No?
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I guess we're already taking a slightly different route than a "real" S8 would... -- Wyvern, 23:44:50 02/22/03 Sat
Because we know Emma Caulfield's stated pretty catagorically that she is not going to do S8 if it happens, and it's looking pretty odds-on that SMG would most likely be recurring rather than regular. ASH has also made some rumblings towards this being his last season of BtVS. But, we're using Anya, Buffy and Giles so we're already AU to an extent. I think the answer is to "go with the flow". Up to a point, we can ignore what happens in S7, and if something really major happens and you either can't incorporate it into your story or there simply isn't time (as you say, if you're writing a Kennedy-centric story for a Thursday but Kennedy dies in the episode that airs on Tuesday, for example) then we'll just have to live with it. Thing is, at the end of the day, this is supposed to be something we're doing for fun, so it shouldn't become a chore to slavishly follow what's happening on screen or to become something we don't want to do for fear of getting it "wrong".
I guess we have the option of keeping an eye on spoilers for major events, but I know that a few of us are spoiler free and want to stay that way. And if all else fails, there are a few tried and tested (ie., cliched to death, lol)ways of getting around it, such as dreams, resets and flashbacks...
So I suppose my choice would be to let the story unfold as we want it to by and large, but be open to the possiblity of changing direction if the writer first affected by it feels able to do so if something really big happens. Does that sound like a reasonable compromise?
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well, I have a really important question to ask...and need a answer. -- merrick981, 23:05:04 02/22/03 Sat
see, we have failed to address the issue of S7 being the big battle talked about in the Fray teh vampire slayer comic series set 200 years after Buffy. In it, it talks about a kick ass battle in the 21st century that banned all demons and magics...i just want to be sure this battle doesn't happen in s7, but it could happen is s8...
what do you all think??
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one more thing... -- merrick981, 23:05:46 02/22/03 Sat
just wanting to make sure magic still exists for S8...it is important to my eppy.
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Hmm.. -- Mark, 23:10:30 02/22/03 Sat
Well I guess it comes down to do we want to take another aspect of the "Buffy" world on? Maybe it would be better to leave that out because it's pretty ambiguous when it talks about the final battle, right? I'm not familiar with Fray, but we don't know for sure it's Buffy, correct? It could be anywhere in the 21st Century.
Also, with 'Angel' still around and a possible Faith spinoff next season, I don't see how it could happen this season in Buffy because then how could those shows exist? So I wouldn't worry about it happening at the end of season 7, and it doesn't really seem like something that would fit well into our plans for 8 so far, but I dunno we'll have to see how it goes. If we wanted to include it we could, but I think that's for later on.
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I agree with Mark -- Sgt. Rock, 23:13:37 02/22/03 Sat
The Fray idea isn't specific to S7, and has too much of an effect on other spin-off ideas they have.
I don't think we should do it either, leave room for another series afterwards.
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Why not just say... -- Sgt. Rock, 23:08:43 02/22/03 Sat
Buffy was *fixed*? We know the only reason the FE can attack is because something was wrong with the slayer line, so just say the problem isn't there any more. Then we don't have to worry about banishing the FE or defeating it, it just can't get at people any more.
In fact, why do we need a S7 ending at all? If you ever need to reference it, it's going to be referencing the effect it had on the scoobs, not the specifics of the finale.
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Yeah -- Mark, 23:14:10 02/22/03 Sat
Great point! I totally forgot about the Slayer Line, we should mention its all fixed up. I agree, I think the old adage "less is more" really applies to how we mention season 7. I mean really even when the Scoobs do mention past seasons it's usually just a joke, like with Xander saying in season 4, "Hey anyone else miss the Mayor? 'I just wanna be a big snake?'" And that and the two part Faith episode was almost the entire extent of mentioning the season 3 Main Big Bad arc when it came to season 4. So I think we should play it safe and just say only when we need to, or wanna make a snappy quip :)
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Yeah guys I agree -- Faithsguy, 00:07:35 02/23/03 Sun
If someone leaves, tough we'll just write season eight as if they didnt leave, if someone dies, we'll write as if they didnt die, we can re-write the entire eigth season all late after something in season seven happens, so lets just say that the first evil has been banished or its at bay.
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