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Date Posted: 16:29:31 02/20/03 Thu
Author: Mark
Subject: POSSIBLE season layout regarding Big and Little Bad that I think we can agree on. Please everyone read and share opinions!
Okay first of all just to add a little to it what if the Four Horsemen were Proserpexa's main servants? I think that's good cause it takes away from the direct Biblical thing. The Four Horsemen have a direct connection to her and are the only ones that can free her. She was banished to the worst part of Hellmouth because if we go by my plan, she wanted to destroy time, which would not only affect Earth but every dimension everywhere, so she's a threat to everyone. But the Four Horsemen, who were less dangerous, were banished somewhere else, where only a very powerful spell could bring them back. Also the gems could come in becuase this is a part of the Hellmouth that has never been opened before, so special gems would be needed to open it. I'm going by Kash's order of writers for this:
So Episode 4 - Vamped Slayer comes in. What motive she has for doing the spell to bring back the Four Horsemen, well I thought we could leave that up to the episode writers.
But I don't think it should be revealed yet in this episode. Maybe just for plain ol' power. Or maybe she could have worked for them and Proserpexa before and want to ally herself with something really powerful. So she could just be a former servant who wants to bring her master back. Either way we could make it that she has no idea what she's getting into.
Episode 8 - The Vamped Slayer brings forth the Four Horsemen, and they put their plan into action.
Episode 10 - Big Bad Arc, so something big happens here. Maybe the Scoobies could learn about their plan. Before this episode they think the Horsemen are the Big Bad and have no idea that they work for something bigger. They could learn that in this ep.
Episode 13 and 14 - Kash listed these as a two part episode with a Big Bad arc and a huge turning point, so I thought in these two episodes the gang could destroy the Horsemen, but it would be too late. The Hellmouth would have opened just enough for Proserpexa to escape. I know it's not fair to the writers to get in too much detail but I thought it would be interesting if Proserpexa herself killed the Vamp Slayer.
Episode 15 - There's almost always a big shock at the end of this ep every season. Maybe it could be something to do with Proserpexa.
Episode 17 - Proserpexa really puts her plan into action and the beginning of the end starts.
And then from there it would just be the finale arc build-up and finale and stuff. Okay so what do you think? I think this satisfies all fields but as always this is always subject to change so let's hear those comments!
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great job mark, i have no problem with this, but a suggestion... -- merrick981, 17:20:29 02/20/03 Thu
The actual origin of the 4 horsemen...???if we go with the shaman history, (something popular in the buffyverse), the 4 horsemen would be the spirit sources of the 4 winds of the earth. They would then be raised to take form by the vamped slayer--who has been in seclusion for yearsupon years, until she heard of the end of the slayer line, that we would assume happens in S7. that is just alittle background that could be used to get people started. What do you think?
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Works for me! -- Mark, 17:28:44 02/20/03 Thu
hehe I was just kind of making up their history on the fly. Yeah oi like the idea that the Vamped Slayer gives them form instead of like releases them from the Hellmouth or something, it's just more practical that way. Maybe the Vampe Slayer would want to raise the Horsemen to use them as a weapon, having no idea what their true intentions would be, to release their master, Proserpexa
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I like it! Just one suggestion -- imisstara, 17:34:50 02/20/03 Thu
The only thing I'm worried about is that if the introduction of the Horsemen we won't have time to develop the VampedSlayer as much as I think we should. It's just such an interesting concept I really think we need to spend time on it. I like the 4Horsemen idea but if I had to choose between them and Vampy McSlayer, I'm choosing Vampy. Maybe we can limit their episodes, like maybe to just the two part eps 13 and 14. Vamped Slayer could raise them in 13, and they could try to rasie Proserpexa in 14. Right before they are destroyed, they manage to bring her forth. I know this would really limit the 4 horsemen exposure but at least they would still be in it! And this way it would be less crowded.
And plus, if we do have them in for 4+ episode does that mean we'd have 5 LITTLE BADS (slayer + 4 horsemen)? I mean that just seems crazy. And is each horseman going to have his or her own personality, his own back story, his own speech and dialogue? lol it would be more cramped than the potentials!
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adding alittle help -- merrick981, 17:41:33 02/20/03 Thu
the 4 horsemen, the "riders of the wind," if you will, don't have to be explored in great detail, in fact it is better if they aren't to keep the myth around them real. They can be researched, but once they take form, could be limited in screen time, just a few min. each ep they are in to show their plans to bring forth Perspoxa, with even the 4 not knowing her true intentions...to unfold the fabric of time.
but, they don't have to take away from the vamped slayer screen time.
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Yeah thats what I see, too -- Mark, 18:16:24 02/20/03 Thu
I picture the Four Horsemen kind of like the Ring Wraiths from the Lord of the Rings movie,s if anyone has seen them. They're very mysterious and barely talk. lol there would be no witty banter or quipping going on between the 4 Horsemen. There also wouldn't be any character development. Basically exactly like merrick said. That way we get the best of both worlds! The cool Horsemen and lots of development for Vamped Slayer.
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Oh ok I get it now! -- imisstara, 18:23:35 02/20/03 Thu
I just assumed we'd have to flesh out every single Horseman, giving him his own personality, agenda, background, etc. But if we don't have to go into any of that and just have them as cool mysterious ominous figures, I'm fine with that.
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My thoughts: -- Sgt. Rock, 21:32:35 02/20/03 Thu
Prospexa was very high up in the hierarchy of she-demons, which makes her amazingly powerful, so who was powerful enough to banished her there? How could Willow use her power to destroy the world if she wasn't even in this dimension?
I like the idea of destroying time, but I think it'd be better to use some new evil.
So how about this?
Episode 4 - Vamped Slayer comes in. She was the origin of the order of aurelius and so wants to open the hellmouth and bring back the old ones.
Episode 8 - The Vamped Slayer brings forth the Four Horsemen who aren't demons/men/anything else. They're there to do their job (open the hellmouth) and can't be killed by any known method.
Episode 10 - Big Bad Arc, so something big happens here. I was thinking the horsemen find all the gems they need, but need to wait for some special night to open the hellmouth. So they make the slayer/vampire keep Buffy busy until then.
Episode 13 and 14 - Kash listed these as a two part episode with a Big Bad arc and a huge turning point. So the horsemen combine their power and are destroyed, but the hellmouth is opened and... it's empty. Everything in there is dead. Except the demonwoman/Proserpexa. She has killed everything in there and destroyed that world and is now bent on destroying all the others by destroying time itself.
Hows that sound?
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Wait im confused -- Mark, 00:13:24 02/21/03 Fri
So the demoness killed every single thing in the Hellmouth? Why would she wait until now to do it? I don't care if it's Prospexa or not, but I think we should just have her held captive maybe in a dimension totally on her own and even though she's really powerful her powers just don't extend to escaping worlds so she needs someone else to do it. Or maybe her powers could have been drained so once se is freed she can't exact her plan right away because she needs to spend some of the season getting her powers back.
However about how Willow could use her powers, I felt like it was laying dormant and Willow was the one that gave it energy, so Proserpexa didn't have to be there it was Willow that did it. I still think it would be cool to use Proserpexa because we already have some background info on her and know she's really high up, making her a good Big Bad. We can totally work around any problems that might conflict with this from 'Grave' except I really don't think there are any. This is something we should all probably vote on. But if we want to make something new I wouldn't mind.
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I like the idea for 13 & 14 that both Mark & Sgt Rock have come up with -- anyas_butt_monkey, 22:56:58 02/20/03 Thu
I have my own Anya-centric parts I would like to work in, mainly concerning D'Hoffryn and the Vamped Slayer, but I can use some of the others with the whole Proserpexa/4 Horsemen thing. How about this?
Faith, Giles, Spike, Dawn - 4 Horsemen/Proserpexa storyline.
Anya, Buffy, Willow, Xander, Kennedy, Andrew - Anya/D'Hoffryn storyline.
Does that work for people, namely Spike's Bird?
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Actually, change of plan -- anyas_butt_monkey, 23:47:26 02/20/03 Thu
Kennedy with the 4 Horsemen/Proserpexa storyline, Dawn with the Anya storyline.
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