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One more thing. . . -- kathym, 14:30:46 04/29/05 Fri
Didn't "Kip," the former insider with all the inside scoop, say he would reveal his true identity at the end of the show? Does anyone know? I certainly have my suspicions. . .

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- that's funny you should say that, I was just thinking about that today. I wonder if he will. (NT) -- navychic, 14:33:01 04/29/05 Fri
- He also said -- Ellen, 15:42:53 04/29/05 Fri
Message from DPB posted by Harriet -- Kathy, 14:20:12 04/29/05 Fri
Mr. B asked me to post the following message. Please feel free to copy to
other "JAG" fan lists. Thanks much, Harriet

"Tonight the fat lady sings.
After ten years, two networks and 227 episodes, JAG will come to an end. It's
a bittersweet time that I share with JAG fans. It's been fun
entertaining you. An honor representing our young men and women in the armed
services.

And a pleasure working with our fine cast and crew.
Tonight's episode will be the culmination of many of your hopes and dreams,
with a little twist from me to keep you buzzing.

Fair winds and following seas to all. And to my fellow Marines, Semper Fi.

Donald P. Bellisario
Creator/Executive Producer"

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- We do owe him Jag but it could have been better without many of the mishaps in this show. Chris Beetem said in his radio interview that he really wanted Vukovic to hook up with Mac. She's one beautiful lady and they work well together. He was happy to cause some problems for Harm and Mac but they had 10 years of UST and he's happy that Harm finally got the girl. He said he didnt attend the wrap party because he's so depressed. I feel badly for Beetem but he's no DJE and Mac+Vic is suicide. Is he smokin??? (NT) -- Jesse, 19:22:22 04/29/05 Fri
- I,too feel sorry when actors lose their jobs but Beetem flaunting his chemistry with Bell is tops and Mac's not married and so didnt bode well for him to have a welcome reception among Jagniks.He was playing with the fans and it was a bad time to do it with fans mourning and emotional about DJE,about H-M and many other things. (NT) -- M, 19:46:13 04/29/05 Fri
  - Thanks for all this info. While Im no Vukovic fan I do feel sorry for the actor. Its really hitting me full force that its so long Jag forever. (NT) -- Ethel, 20:52:07 04/29/05 Fri
So Long and Farewell -- kathym, 13:19:37 04/29/05 Fri
I used to post here many moons ago, back when I had a boring job that left me lots of time to surf the net. Ah, the good old days! :) It's probably been years since I've posted here, but back in the day - probably 2001-2002 or so - we really had a good time. By golly, I'm one of the founding members of Bud Lovers Anonymous! I also made the famous wager about parading down the street in my pj's if Mac actually married Mic (c'mon - you knew it would never happen!) I made some great friends here and even met a few in person. I've kind of moved on from the show in the past two seasons, and have caught it here and there, but am feeling a little sentimental now that it's actually over. So thanks, JAG, for entertaining me for so long, and thanks Maeve, for hosting the site for so long! And a farewell shout out to any old timers who might be passing through: Katherine, Michelleb (and I seriously owe you guys a long email - we need to catch up!), Kat, Lois, Lisar, PB, Claire (what on earth ever happened to her?), Luoodles, just to name a few. I hope you all go on to only great things.

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- I've been a long-time lurker and I really enjoyed reading this board back in the day. I really think DPB could have used this board to track interest in the show. It seems back then I had to read for half an hour to catch up on all that was posted for one day. I really have enjoyed JAG and the friends I've made because of it. C, LiJo, Sunshine, etc. I hope we can stay in touch. (NT) -- OHgirl, 13:53:59 04/29/05 Fri
- I remember you kathym. I remembr the "good old days!" What a lot of good memories we all have from posting here! Remember Loodles and her cooking her "chicken". Remember SD and all of his puns! And who can forget MichelleB's sensible take on the show. WOW! How I miss the good old days! (NT) -- Rainbow, 14:43:15 04/29/05 Fri
- yea!!! more good ol' days people!!! now if we could just hunt down SD... (and his fiscus)... (NT) -- Aria, 18:05:52 04/29/05 Fri
- Hi Kathym! How are you doing? I remember your bet :) I was *totally* hoping to see some prancing! (NT) -- Canrane - hi Rainbow! How are ya?, 21:19:09 04/29/05 Fri
- kathym!!!! I know, I've been horrid at email lately. I hope you're well and we'll have to do the email thing soon...mine's still the same. Good to see you! (NT) -- Katherine, 22:44:48 04/29/05 Fri
ITS FRIDAY!!! -- navychic*doing a happy dance*, 09:23:33 04/29/05 Fri
Are you excited, nervous,scared??? I am so happy that tonight may finally be it for harm and mac! But also sad that the anticipation of new episodes will no longer be there :( But I hope tonight will be amazing! Any thoughts??

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- It is bittersweet for me. I am excited for tonite, but it will seem sad tomorrow morning, knowing there will be no new episodes anymore. I think that H/M will get together tonite for sure, but the final commitment (marriage, how to stay together) will be in question. Also trying to figure out what to eat while watching! Chocolate? (NT) -- ChompTom, 12:42:42 04/29/05 Fri
finale -- pam, 09:00:45 04/29/05 Fri
Today Arril 29th is my 33rd wedding anniversary. Won't it be nice to share the same day with Harm and Mac ,or at least get a nice present of a happy ending.

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- Congratulations Pam :) Hope you get the episode you are hoping for a well... (NT) -- Box, 09:52:26 04/29/05 Fri
- Anniversary -- Louise, 12:30:53 04/29/05 Fri
JAGFanFest Last Chance! -- The JAGFanFest Planning Committee, 02:29:07 04/29/05 Fri
JAGFanFest Friends,

Time's up! Tomorrow, Saturday, is the LAST DAY to register for the
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Join us for JAG chat on the evening of the last new JAG episode. -- Babs, 23:51:12 04/28/05 Thu
http://groups.msn.com/jagcatherinebell/chat.msnw?r=1

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Saying Goodbye -- JF1, 17:12:03 04/28/05 Thu
In honor of the end of JAG, I think we should reminisce a little bit. Here's what I want to know.
1. Favorite JAG episode of all time (and five runners up if necessary :D) (and why if you want)
2. Favorite overall season (and why)
3. Favorite character (and why)
4. Favorite shipper pairing (and why)
5. Favorite song to represent above pairing
6. Anything else you want to add.

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- Mine inside -- JF1, 17:23:21 04/28/05 Thu
- JF1, Jagathon, because of the watercooler "Hi" from Harm to Mac, Gunny in the red shorts, Surgis' heart to heart with AJ, and Mac suggesting "back at the beginning." Favorite Season, I really cannot say one Seasons 2-8 are magnificent. Favorite character Harm which is what hooked me and Mac who kept me watching. Favorite Song: "Love Takes Time" (NT) -- Lucky I love Harm because of his "and the truth is everything" Thanks for asking., 17:24:33 04/28/05 Thu
- Inside... -- Ninja Girl, 20:32:45 04/28/05 Thu
- I will miss Jag but its time for the show to go. Too many storylines and its wearying to see Harm and Mac. Kate and Tony are better than Elliott and Bell's character. (NT) -- Pyper, 23:48:23 04/28/05 Thu
- Kate and Tony are from NCIS and yes NCIS is way better than Jag. (NT) -- Pyper, 23:49:12 04/28/05 Thu
- Kate and Tony better than Harm and Mac? well if you like infantilism. (NT) -- Muzby, 00:05:27 04/29/05 Fri
- Kate and Tony better than Harm and Mac?? What have you been smoking?? (NT) -- Rachelle, 03:16:12 04/29/05 Fri
- Kate and Tony???? There is no comparison. T and Ks' "bantering" is sometime is almost hateful. No, NCIS cannot touch JAG, unless your thing is an embalming table full of meat and bones. (NT) -- Billy, 04:25:40 04/29/05 Fri
- last days -- Louise, 05:39:44 04/29/05 Fri
- WOW its friday!!! Ok here are my fav's -- navychic, 09:21:29 04/29/05 Fri
- Favorites -- Jess, 21:39:57 04/29/05 Fri
The Twist - What do You Think? -- Lucy, 16:29:15 04/28/05 Thu

And I am not referring a knife in the shipper's sides.

Does anyone think the twist has to do with Mattie? Maybe they got us all high on Mac and Harm's newly found companionship then Mattie's Dad turn's up all Singer.

Mattie's being released from the Hospital, and so on.

I find it hard to believe Mattie's Dad will get himself together by this time, because we are only a matter of days from when Harm found him all strung out on "Bourbon street."

If anyone has any ideas about the Twist please put me out of my misery. The Twist has me worried.

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- Inside -- JF1, 17:08:26 04/28/05 Thu
  - JF1, Glad you're back online. On your twist on a flip. Inside~~~ -- Lucky, 17:12:32 04/28/05 Thu
- Being the optimisic person that I am, however after watching the last few seasons I don't know why, I have a theory about the ... inside... -- cleo, 21:41:27 04/28/05 Thu
- Being the optimisic person that I am, however after watching the last few seasons I don't know why, I have a theory about the ... inside... -- cleo, 21:43:07 04/28/05 Thu
- Not to be a wet blanket but DB wants his fans to keep on debating. Sorry DB but most of us do have a life outside the mb's.Im not planning to spend the rest of my lifetime in the message boards. (NT) -- Muzby, 00:08:06 04/29/05 Fri
- I think that the ending scene will be Harm saying to Mac, "let's get married", then fade to black, and that's all folksl. You know DPB!!!! (NT) -- Billy, 04:28:09 04/29/05 Fri
- Twist I think refers to Harm and Mac getting married, with Mac taking Mattie with her to San Diego to live with her and mom and pappa Burnett. (NT) -- p, 11:07:45 04/29/05 Fri
DVD blues -- danielle, 18:24:48 04/27/05 Wed
I have been wanting to get a DVD recorder for some time now ....but i still haven't got the money. Since it is looking like it is going to be FOREVER before jag is put on DVD, i was wondering if someone could record the last episode for me on DVD and i will pay them for it and shipping. Also, if someone has Dreamteam on DVD...i would like to buy that too. We all know how it is too watch our beloved jag over and over on a tape..and the tape starts to have lines go through the picture because we have worn out the tape. LOL!

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- We are forcasted for rain Friday too............Check out the LiteOn Brand "AllWrite" DVD Recorder at KMart - the cheapest one on the market and records in +R/+RW and -R/-RW. Go INSIDE ....~~~ -- Lucky, 19:38:36 04/27/05 Wed
  - Hey, I got the SANYO brand for my b0day, and trust me, it IS WELL WORTH IT. It is sooo nice. I'd been wanting one for about 7 months, and yes, it was almost $300, but go with namebrand. I think its more trustworthy. I have enjoyed mine so much, and I plan to put all my videotapes to DVD...my dvd recorder can transfer VHS tapes to dvd, and dvd to VHS easily. (NT) -- MM, 07:57:36 04/28/05 Thu
    - thats what I figured - I tend to be a little leery of any of the really cheap brands when it comes to electronics... I'm hoping for a dvd recorder for either graduation (Dec) or Christmas or housewarming (Jan) or my birthday (Jan) - or as a combo of any of those things, lol =) (NT) -- Aria, 09:02:02 04/28/05 Thu
      - Many of the name brands are actually made by the cheaper manufacturers, and when it came to VCR's many consumer electronics advisors suggested buy the cheapest VCR. I am using the same theory. Now I have been seeing Sanyo's, Phillips, etc for $179-$185. The added VCR seems to add alot to the pricepoint. I own so many VCR's that I figured I could deal with the connections for recording my old JAG tapes to DVD. (NT) -- Lucky., 16:18:36 04/28/05 Thu
- Does anyone know why it is going to take so long for JAG to be on DVD after all currently running shows have released ... inside... -- cleo, 21:34:53 04/28/05 Thu
  - The Jag dvd is a must-have depending on the series finale for me. (NT) -- Muzby, 00:09:21 04/29/05 Fri
finale -- pam, 12:55:56 04/27/05 Wed
I hope DB funny twist is not that they will see ina year if they are not involved with anyone else they will get married. A twist on the baby deal. I just want a happy ending knowing they are in love even if it means thay have to wait to marry. We get the loving and possiblity of a happu ending.

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- Pam, interesting idea, but I really do not think I could take it. I was never in the have to see their big wedding camp, but very recently I am enamored with a shotgun wedding. It is Maryland/VA afterall. LOL! (NT) -- Lucky, 16:27:24 04/27/05 Wed
- I'm all for the shotgun wedding!!! But seriously Catherine was on ET saying there were about 4 different endings, a sexy one, a sweet one and a really crazy and wild one, so I'm game for just about any of them (I think, lol) (NT) -- navychic-a shipper till the end, 16:13:14 04/28/05 Thu
  - With a hell ride for them and us as a nonshipper Im game for them happily ever after. I lost my grandma and dog all this month so I just wonna be cheerful about Jag not sad. Nonshippers had many years while shippers only have nibbles and crumbs so they deserve it too. (NT) -- Rey, 19:33:22 04/28/05 Thu
    - Rey, I am so sorry to hear about your Grandma and your dog. (NT) -- Lucky, 19:47:09 04/28/05 Thu
- Take care Rey and I,too so sad to hear about your grandma and dog. Im pro Harm and Mac too eventhough Im a nonship. I didnt even enjoy their SO's.....Webb..Jordie..Renee...Mic so bleh and icky. (NT) -- Agorra11, 20:22:37 04/28/05 Thu
JAG ON ET -- MM, 11:28:06 04/27/05 Wed
Just thought I'd let you know that JAG is going to be on ET tonight. The best way to find out if something JAG related or the actors from JAG are going to be on tv is to do the search at Yahoo under the tv category. It comes on at 6 and then around 12:30 am tonight.Just thought I'd let you guys know about it.

MM

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- It was last night. (NT) -- Cissy, 11:43:18 04/27/05 Wed
End of Show Celebration? -- b, 21:37:30 04/26/05 Tue
So, has there been any talk of a way to bid the show a fond farewell? I was thinking a Round Robin after the finale. What do you think?

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- if theres a RR can all us former board members come back for it? Well we have plenty of experience with RR's! lol - I miss the old RRs... maybe I'll have to go re-read the mackerel story again.... (NT) -- Aria, 22:14:03 04/26/05 Tue
  - Aria, that would be my only small consolation for losing JAG is for the original posters to visit Maeve's. (NT) -- Lucky, 19:40:02 04/27/05 Wed
  - Aria, I miss the old posters more than anything, you guys were a big part of my adolescence and I remember how I thought you guys were the coolest thing ever. I would like nothing more than to have all the old crew back here for an end-of-series celebration. Please, get the word out, we'll set something up. I still read the GLA archive regularly as well as the JAGtales site and laugh my head off ;) We had so much fun. (NT) -- JF1 looking forward to a finally happy ending, 14:27:08 04/28/05 Thu
- Feel free to join us on Friday night for a chat session. Link inside. -- Babs, 23:40:45 04/27/05 Wed
ET Online- The JAG segment from ET is at etonline.com! Just click the video camera(on the set with David and Catherine).. -- khh1, 20:26:17 04/26/05 Tue

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- ET Online -- Tori, 20:37:52 04/26/05 Tue
  - I was appalled at what DB said...wishing he had "more time to build up to it", meaning Harm and Mac. HE'S HAD EIGHT YEARS!!! Isn't that long enough??? And he had this entire season, but he didn'tw ant to because he was so afraid it would end the show..well, he didn't put them together, and guess what..the show ended. guess that theory went right out the window. (NT) -- MM, 11:25:56 04/27/05 Wed
    - Just goes to show you that women have more common sense than men! (NT) -- tv junkie mom, 12:30:50 04/27/05 Wed
  - Tori, I am thinking the three CB mentions, a sweet ending, a wild/chocking ending and a sexy ending will not be the ending aired, but I am still hoping for DVD's. What is with this show. "Everybody Loves Raymond" is already advertising their DVD releases. (NT) -- Lucky, 16:30:43 04/27/05 Wed
    - Hey, Lucky! We've been told that JAG can't do DVD until their syndication deal ends. We don't know if it's the deal with USA or with Hallmark. Yes, I know Hallmark isn't showing JAG, but they do have a contract. Anyway, it sounds like it won't happen until those end. Of course, it could all be a red herring and it could come out on DVD next year for all I know. (NT) -- NanaSue, 18:36:01 04/27/05 Wed
      - They also have a syndicated run on Canada's History Channel, three times a day on weekdays. In the mountain time zone it's ten am, five pm, and nine pm. (NT) -- Meg, 20:51:55 04/29/05 Fri
A question about accuracy -- LadyC, 19:54:01 04/26/05 Tue
This question is not about JAG but it is a Navy question and I would rather ask it here where I know I will get a civilized answer then ask it on the google Jag board -they can be a nasty bunch. Anyway, Red October was on again the other night and I was wondering how accurate the scenes aboard the US sub were.

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preview's song -- macha, 13:08:45 04/26/05 Tue
hello everyone! i'm macha, and i'm living in France.
i've just seen the preview on CBS.. and i can't stop watching it!!
i had a "crush" on the preview's song, can someone tell me which song is it, and .. by who?
thanks a lot

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- You and Me, by Lifehouse (NT) -- Me, 13:32:26 04/26/05 Tue
- Yes, It's lifehouse, I just bought there CD, that song was stuck in my head for a while, lol. (NT) -- navychic, 11:25:28 04/27/05 Wed
JAG Anonymous: Just curious what everyone is going to watch now that Jag is comming to an end... I know its sad but my life has revolved around JAG for the last 10 years...i don't know what I'm going to do on friday nights now. -- Megan, 11:47:54 04/26/05 Tue

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- Its Stargate,Alias,Without a Trace and Gilmore girls for me. Im now watching Ed on reruns. I cant wait to see fellow Mac fans and shippers this Friday at a friend's home.Its potluck and we have gift exhanges.LOL! Im missing Harm and Mac already (NT) -- Lorey, 12:48:50 04/26/05 Tue
- Shows I will watch, but will still miss Jag. -- Roxanne, 13:50:53 04/26/05 Tue
- LOL, I was thinking the same thing. I'm going to try to stay away from all-consuming TV obsessions like JAG. Besides, after JAG, with its drama, comedy, romance, mystery, etc., I might start comparing any show I really get into to JAG. Hard to measure up to its legacy. (NT) -- Nid, 14:00:21 04/26/05 Tue
- If DJE is on, I'll watch. But I'm also an ER and Medical Investigation addict. Neal McDonough is like a platinum blonde DJE down to the macho tenderness. JAG reruns anyone? (NT) -- Ninja Girl, 17:24:27 04/26/05 Tue
  - Me! Me! Tuning back in to USA this summer. (NT) -- Nid, 20:37:32 04/26/05 Tue
- I already stopped watching JAG, but my new Tuesday obsession (what is it with me and Tuesdays?) is HOUSE!!! I don't even like medical drama's, or that kind of thing, but HOUSE is really great... (NT) -- Aria, 22:15:20 04/26/05 Tue
  - I have to second that Aria. TV Guide readers recently crowned Hugh Laurie TV's sexiest doc and I agree! He is fantastic and the character is fascinating to watch. I adore Veronica Mars but I always seen to end watching House instead. (NT) -- WebbWacker, 16:36:04 04/27/05 Wed
- I have no idea, which makes it all the more disappointing. I hear there is a new Tim Daily show will tape it and hoping it will be a keeper. I might actually have to get cable to at least watch JAG on USA . (NT) -- Lucky, 19:50:45 04/27/05 Wed
- My mom and I are into NCIS, Law & Order SVU, and House (yeah haha laugh at us all you want) - in addition for my friday night TV I love Joan of Arcadia, which comes on right before JAG at 8 PM. (NT) -- JF1, 14:30:53 04/28/05 Thu
- I actually quit watching JAG this season and came back for the last couple eps. If Medical Investigation returns I'll be watching it. Other than that I watch NCIS, CSI, and Eyes. (NT) -- Meg, 20:53:11 04/29/05 Fri
Harm and Mac -- Billy, 07:09:50 04/26/05 Tue
I don't know how the show will end, but, the words, "I love you Mac", should provide some clues, but, then you never with DPB!! Also, Mac says, "Are you ready to do this?", meaning what? There are several ways the show could go. I will tell you this. If Harm and Mac don't wind up together after these promos, I will never watch a show produced by Bellasario again. I know that will just break his heart (sarcasm),but, at least I will have the satisfaction of not watching his shows.

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- Read TWO interviews from Feb true and there are claims that several endings were written. But DB said ambigious.. Shippers will say yeah, and non-shippers, no.. [inside] -- Mira, 09:22:47 04/26/05 Tue
  - Mira, Jag has been cancelled, they aren't coming back and there is no spinoff. Why do you keep saying if. Jag is over, this Friday nights episode is the last ever. (NT) -- Kathy, 10:37:12 04/26/05 Tue
    - I'm only quoting DB Kathy, the date of that interview was before the show was officially canceled, but the end in the can.. He keeps saying "if there is a spin off series..." Implying that JAG as we know it , canceled, but a new JAG staring CB possibly picked up. That's why I keep saying it.. I am also taking DB at his word about Harm and Mac. (NT) -- Mira, 21:57:41 04/26/05 Tue
      - Mira I guess you missed the article on ET Online were he had this to say "When CBS said, 'You are cancelled,' I rewrote the script, the scene between Harm and Mac," Bellisario explains. "I am not going to say what happens, but I think all the fans will be satisfied and I will be satisfied because it is an ending that still leaves something hanging in the air. [Viewers] can debate and everybody can have their own view of what happened in the end. I just wish I had a little more time to build up to it." So obviously he knew before the ending was filmed so who is to say what we might see. (NT) -- Hope, 23:41:27 04/26/05 Tue
        
        That isn't all that different from what he said in the two interviews that I read. Think about it, ambigious ending verses "leaves something up in the air..." That sounds like the same answer different words to me. Maybe like in Farscape, the coin goes up in the air, but never falls to the ground. DB trying to keep both sides happy, Shippers thinking they climbed in the sack, got married, whatever.. Non-Shippers thinking they went on to their careers. Seems silly in a way, but he kind of pulled that at the end of Magnum. [inside] -- Mira, 09:02:15 04/27/05 Wed
        
        DPB had nothing to do with that ending of Magnum. He was already gone from the show writing a movie in NY I believe. HarrietJAG posted about this on the jagniks yahoo group. (NT) -- Hope, 17:49:09 04/27/05 Wed
- Mac says, "Were you ready for this" and Harm answers, "Were you?" Not are you ready for this. She's talking about the transfers they each got to a new billet. (NT) -- Kathy, 09:38:41 04/26/05 Tue
- From a friendly nonshipper -- Monica, 16:41:52 04/26/05 Tue
  - ew - I'm rather glad to be a non-shipper who left if thats going on... -- Aria, 22:18:34 04/26/05 Tue
    - Actually... -- Mira, 09:06:04 04/27/05 Wed
      - Actually you're one of them Mira. Only *a few same* people play the Harm vs Mac routine. One on the HB is still a full time Mac hater, while amazingly 2 people from the Mac board stopped. You seem to be one of the shipper and Mac hater. This makes it about 6 in total in the fandom while the majority ignores them and laughs it off as entertainment. (NT) -- Bea, 12:33:39 04/27/05 Wed
        
        Says who Bea? I do not attack people personally for how they feel.. I say how I feel about Mac/Harm/ whether or not they are together.. It is people like you who seem to go after people like me for not feeling the same way that you do... Gee, I believe you just attacked me, I've said NOTHING to you or about you... So honey if the shoe fits wear it! (NT) -- Mira, 16:02:17 04/27/05 Wed
        
        Well said Bea!!!!! (NT) -- seiyuu, 02:55:39 04/28/05 Thu
- Im a nonshipper too but I am so with the Harm and Mac shippery ending because this two went thru so much B.S. from TPTB along with millions of viewers.They owe it to the fans and the show. (NT) -- AndieK, 00:21:30 04/27/05 Wed
- In response to Kathy, I saw the promo again last night, and I still think Mac said "Are you ready for this, and Harm said " Are you?". It really doesn't mean anything, but, DB did say he rewrote the ending. Also, during the kissing scene, when Harm tells Mac he loves her, as the screen went dark, I am positive that I heard Harm say" Let's get married!" (NT) -- Billy, 04:29:24 04/27/05 Wed
  - Yeah, but what makes me wonder whether or not that is a dream scene, it looked like Mac had short hair again. Yeah, I know at the end of season last year all of a sudden she had hair long enough to be in a bun. So maybe she got a haircut. (NT) -- Mira, 08:54:11 04/27/05 Wed
    - Thanks Monica and Andiek and many of our nonshipper allies.More Harm and Mac fans all the better and merrier. (NT) -- Muzby (shipper recruiter)LOL!, 21:31:03 04/27/05 Wed
Bellisario doth protest too much. What an ass. -- *, 21:25:58 04/25/05 Mon

Article Published: Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 7:06:05 AM PST
Harm, Mac get together on final 'JAG' episode
By Marilyn Beck and Stacey Jenel Smith

"JAG" ends its illustrious 10-year run Friday night with an episode in which - thank goodness! - David James Elliott's Harm character finally gets together with Catherine Bell's Mac. But things don't seem so harmonious behind the scenes.
"David evidently has been getting very upset that I don't like him or something because I've been saying the truth about the show," the series' creator, executive producer and all-around head guy Don Bellisario tells us. "All I said was I think he did a very smart thing; he knew we would not renegotiate with him for another season. His contract was up. Catherine Bell's contract continued another year. David, very brightly, went and got another deal."

He adds, "All of the contracts were up with the syndication people that we have. There were no contracts to buy our shows in syndication beyond the 10th year. Well, if you don't have syndication money ... we knew the only way to continue to make the show was to dramatically reduce the budget. If I were David, I would have done exactly what he did. Obviously, he was the highest-paid actor on the show."

There were thoughts of continuing the series with Bell surrounded by new faces in a different location. However, as things turned out, says Bellisario, the network felt it had a strong stable of new shows ready to enter the ratings race this fall and decided to bid farewell to "JAG."

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- Oh, please! (rolls eyes). You know DPB not only typically spoils his own shows (much like Andrew L. Webber) he also is a horse's you-know-what for talking like that. He could have been gracious. Looks like we aren't going to be getting a JAG tv movie ever. (NT) -- WebbWacker (already in mourning), 21:44:01 04/25/05 Mon
  - ROTFLOL!!!!! sorry... I happen to quite enjoy ALW humor... its a very good comparison too to some extent... I may absolutely love several ALW shows, but it doesn't mean that "Lord Andy" doesn't manage to tick me off just as much as DPB... of course I'm just ticked off at myself for having to watch a finale I probably will hate, despite not watching the show this season, because deep down I'm still a JAG fan... (NT) -- Aria, 11:30:36 04/26/05 Tue
Hey! What's THIS?!!! LOL!!! -- Luoodles, 21:23:25 04/25/05 Mon

What's this I hear about Harmkins proposing to Mac???? Oh my. My little shipperdedipper heart heard it all the way over at the Ducky Board! LOL!

I'll have to give ol' DPB one last chance and remember to watch this Friday. Hey! Maybe he'll even bring dear ol' Singer back for a cameo or something! Plus I have yet to see this poor boy everyone loves to hate that's supposedly taken Harmkin's place. LOL! Gosh! I'm gonna have to go pop some popcorn and GET READY!

BTW... who is still on this show? I'm assuming Bud...unless someone actually took the advice of greasing that stair banister!!! Oh my. Forgive me Katherine. It's just... the mental picture... LOL! Let's see... Is Tiner still around? Did they ever bring him back? What about Victor? What about JINGO? Wait.. was that his name?? or is that what we made up in the Round Robins? LOL! Oh my.

Well... everyone have fun on Friday... and play nice! Tuoodles!

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- The return of Gunny for the final episode would probably be enough for me to forgive DPB for putting Harm and Mac together in the end, but I know it ain't happening! lol (NT) -- Aria, 11:32:12 04/26/05 Tue
  - Aria, I think I had a dream about Gunny the other night, because I can't stop thinking about him. Too bad I can't remember details, LOL! But if the Last Jag ever ends up ambiguous I don't know how long I will bear a grudge...and you don't want my people bearing a grudge. By the way we have had too many ambiguous endings like Jagathon, The Paraguay finale (in spite of the "never" comment). Ambiguous doesn't work for the Last Jag ever. (NT) -- Lucky, 17:50:53 04/26/05 Tue
    - I have to admit I think I'd rather see them get together, than for it to be ambiguous - as I've stated several times - I've always been close to being a shipper at points, but DPB took the show in directions to where I never saw the spark again between them... but- if the last episode has enough sparks, then I might turn shipper (at least long enough to watch the finale, lol) - but yes, ambiguous is not good! (NT) -- Aria (who wishes she'd had a good Gunny dream lately), 22:21:03 04/26/05 Tue
- Luisa, Luoodles, Ida Mae, and all of youse guys...Hello! Bud was terrific in the last episode! Harm even thought so! We need AJ back for a tele-conference with the new JAG on how to glare effectively. Renee can get in touch with Harriet to give her pointers on raising twins. (Lu did you know Harriet had twins? This means they have about 11 kids now.)... -- PB, 18:16:45 04/27/05 Wed
- LUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you have any idea how much this board has missed you? It's too SANE around here without you! (And who needs sanity, honestly?) No one has sang the shipper song in AGES (that's your post) and any round robins we've tried to do ended up falling on their faces. WE MISS YOU!!! (NT) -- JF1, 14:33:58 04/28/05 Thu
Reminiscing -- Meg, 20:06:51 04/25/05 Mon
Remember when they advertised for Adrift Part 2, they played that song, "I know you have a little life in you yet/I know you have a lot of strength..." Well, with the cancellation I keep getting that song stuck in my head. Crazy, huh?

I was thinking, now that we're facing the end it might be fun to go back to the beginning and remember how it all began for us. How did you start watching JAG, What was your first episode, and which was the first one that ever made you cry?

For me, I got started watching when I came into the living room and caught the end of Shadow while my parents were watching it. The first episode I ever watched in it's entirety was Boot, and the first episode that ever made me cry was Hemlock, when Meg regained consciousness.

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- yea know i think these are the only 2 times the've played a song over the preview...wish i had a clip of the Adrift one... (NT) -- Erin, 20:31:31 04/25/05 Mon
- Meg, My Dad was watching it and I really can not say what was the first episode I saw, mainly because I was so focused on Harm, I did not pay attention to anything else in the show. Seriously, my friends teased me for years. They would try to ask me question about what was going on, and I really had no idea. Once I discovered Maeve's I started to pay attention to other characters and plots. Then when Mac came along I really payed attention. Everyonce and awhile I find myself becoming mesmerized by Harm, but at least I know I am doing it. LOL! (NT) -- Lucky my song: "You Get What You Give" It was played when at McGinty's - Bud's promotion. Mac, Carolyn Imes, and Jordan were playing darts and dishing on Harm., 20:33:30 04/25/05 Mon
- I remember that song! It went something like... gurgle.. gurgle...gasp....splash. Didn't GOTB get a number one with that? LOL! (NT) -- Luoodles sure most of you have never heard of GOTB or Luoodles but.. what the heck! LOL!, 21:25:59 04/25/05 Mon
  - ROTFLOL!!!!! I miss GOTB!!! ooh - makes me think of the Olympics story, lol!!! love ya LUOODLES!!!! (cooked any children lately?) - we really do need a "history of Luoodles" page to explain you to those who haven't had the pleasure though, lol... (NT) -- Aria (who's been gone so long her self they may have forgotten me or found new board members, lol), 22:23:40 04/26/05 Tue
- What is the name of the song that played in the promo for Adrift Part 2? Who is it by? (NT) -- JLeo, 13:16:18 04/26/05 Tue
  - I think it might have been "Deep Inside of You" by Third Eye Blind but not positive. That might have been another promo. Great song, though. (NT) -- Nid, 19:37:21 04/27/05 Wed
    - Actually it was probably another promo - sorry. (NT) -- Nid, 19:41:09 04/27/05 Wed
HELP!! -- Jenny, 13:15:24 04/25/05 Mon
My VCR got messed up right when Harm and Coates were in the hospital room. What happenened after? Any Harm and Mac scenes after? I MISSED THE PREVIEW!!! HELP!!!!

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- i have it save on my hard drive... is that weird? anyway, if you want it, email me and i'll send it to you (NT) -- kristie, 19:46:47 04/25/05 Mon
stupid question -- Sally, 12:09:55 04/25/05 Mon
What's a wildfeed and how do I get that? Thanks.

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- The networks send out their primetime shows in the afternoon so the affliates can put commercials and station ID in them. They send it out over satellite uplink. If you have one of those great big old fashioned satelittes (not DirectTV or Dish Network) and know what signal they use, you can see the episode in the afternoon. (NT) -- JenT, 17:25:59 04/25/05 Mon
  - Wild Feed -- Richard, 18:42:07 04/25/05 Mon
Thoughts on Last Weeks Episode and The This Weeks... -- Mira, 09:31:36 04/25/05 Mon

I know many of you hate my posts, I'm negative.. I've said good bye many a time but cannot stay away.. Well, once a JAG Freak always a JAG Freak... I like all of you and the show has meant a lot over the years, so it is hard to give it up cold turkey..

Anyway last week was one of the first episodes this year that I actually sat down and watched completely.. All year I've either forgotten or switched back and forth to the Sci-fi channel..

First of all Lt Yuck... Having read DB's interview about attacting younger hip viewers [more on that later] just what is his attraction besides eye candy if you like that type? What an insult to the young, like they cannot see though the charm? He is no more like Harm than an dog is like a flea.. Yeah maybe they are both good looking..Yeah, they are both overly proud.. However to quote Jane Austin, discribing Darcy in "Pride and Prejudiced"... Paraphrasing now, " There is a reason for his pride and it isn't unbecoming.." So though it may be a bit much sometimes, between his good looks and his flying /lawyer skills especially the younger Harm had a right to be a little full of himself at times. With Yuck, he isn't that good, he is lazy,a bit stupid and ethically dismal.. He's no Bud... Heck he isn't even Singer.. So how in the heck did TPTB think they could present him to us as "a younger version of Harm.."

I hated the scene between Mac and Harm. It started out all right, Harm asleep at his desk, Mac concerned... But then it turned into something else. I'm sorry Mac fans and Shippers, but I didn't like her at all in that scene. I am sure that Mac fans and Shippers saw something different.. But here is what I saw, Mac starts out concerned about Harm, asks about Mattie, asks if she can help.. When Harm says no, the scene becomes all about her, her and Webb, her and Harm, their relationship.. I'm sorry but at the moment Harm had other worries.. Then when he asks her if Yuck learned anything from her.. She snaps that she didn't sleep with him.. What was that all about? I do not think Harm meant anything about sleeping with Yuck.. Afterall Mac had been working with the creep not him.. Yeah, I know about the Harm snipes of the past, but in this case the tired worried Harm in my opinion was simply asking pointers concerning a difficult junior officer that Mac had almost been working with exclusively.. He didn't need any self centered what about us crap from Mac.. I guess this is supposed to lead into the final and the relationship thing.. But contrast that with the hospital scene with Jennifer. Harm exhausted at Mattie's bedside, Jen appears tells him to get some rest that she cares about Mattie too and will sit with her.. Harm gets up with gratitude, the scene was about love for Mattie.. And if it had been Mac showing up, it still could have been about Mattie but with the added twist of implied love and support for Harm and vice versa... So I think they dropped the ball on that one.

I also think it kind of points to Mac and Harm not getting together, both still to defensive and insecure for a relationship, Harm has given up his career for Mac before and she threw it in his face... Now he is a step closer to becoming JAG someday, he should give it up now? Maybe it should be Mac's turn to give it up for Harm. However if a spin off happens, the new series has Mac on the West coast, alone... Another five year baby deal kind of thing? Engaged or married and living opposite sides of the world for several years only getting together during leaves? Do you think so? If the series went on, do you really think that TPTB would waste Mac's beauty and charm and not have some romance in her life? That romance would be with someone other than Harm..

I know you are all excited about the previews, but they did have a dream like quality to them.. There still is that toss of the coin thing... And DB's ambigious ending, my bet is it is going to fade to dark and we will never know for sure...

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- Mira its the same old song & dance....Inside if you will.... -- JNTS, 10:13:57 04/25/05 Mon
  - Problem is I didn't see Vic learning any lessons.. But do two wrongs make a right? Maybe that is the problem and why it will never work out.. JNTS [inside] -- Mira, 11:41:31 04/25/05 Mon
    - Mira, inside.... -- JNTS, 12:08:00 04/25/05 Mon
- First off Mira, I don't know what show you watched but I sure didn't see what you did. I'm no Harm fan as most know, but I haven't enjoyed an episode of Jag this much in a long time. What you saw from Mac was far from what I saw. Mac was compassionate, caring, concerned funny and helped Bud find his way. I don't see where you saw Mac making Harm's pushing away about her. The fact is Harm has been pushing her away and she just said "if he couldn't open up to her then for him to please let someone else help." inside... -- Kathy ( who feels Mira that even if Mac jumped in front of a bullet to save Harms life, you'd still find fault with her), 11:18:57 04/25/05 Mon
  - Kathy, I have no problem with Mac helping Bud.. I have no problem with Vic losing, you notice that Harm didn't do more than point out some of the errors[inside] -- Mira, 11:59:02 04/25/05 Mon
    - It seems to me that only anti-shippers would be the ones to gag. Nonshippers tend to be more ambivalent about the whole deal. And I thought Bud was terrific. HE is what Harm (and Mac) have been trying to get Viki to be like. But Vikster's ego is so big he can't see it. That's why he's a bad lawyer, especially for the courtroom. His litigation skills, if he has any, are overpowered by his huge ego that won't let him admit he's wrong even when he is. (NT) -- NanaSue, 12:10:50 04/25/05 Mon
    - Like I said Mira, I don't believe we watched the same show, but whatever. I enjoyed the episode and all the characters. And there are a couple new articles out with Chas Floyd Johnson and Catherine Bell confirming that there were a few different endings filmed before they wrapped and TPTB will decide which one to use. And what the heck dream stuff are you talking about. Nobody's dreaming..confused. Oh well Mira, I'm trying to figure out why you watch the show at all, you obviously don't like it and I can't see where you're a fan, but oh well, I'm done with this convo. (NT) -- Kathy, 13:10:31 04/25/05 Mon
- I think only the few rabid nonshippers will go ballistic because many nonshippers like me are happy for Harm and Mac. I was chatting with fellow nonshippers and it feels wonderful to see this two finally happy. We dont agree with Mira about Harm and Mac nor her views on Mac but its better not to comment anymore. The Dream Team was classic Jag and everyone shining and back to themselves except for Coates and Cresswell. Heck I even enjoyed Vic except too much disrespect on Mac and Harm is over the top. (NT) -- Agorra11, 12:28:04 04/25/05 Mon
  - I agree Agorra11, It was Jag of old and I enjoyed it. (NT) -- Kathy, 13:13:04 04/25/05 Mon
  - Vic paired with anybody was hardly a "dream team..." Harm didn't seem to feel that way.. I guess I demand a higher standard from the show I used to love. The idea was good, but it just missed the mark. (NT) -- Mira, 21:58:32 04/25/05 Mon
- usually i dont agree but hey about the "i havent slept w/ him..." you hit the nail on the head, will some one please tell me where the comment came from???? (NT) -- Erin a faithful shipper till the end, 19:28:14 04/25/05 Mon
  - It was a shock to many, that's for sure. It could have been made as a way to keep H&M apart in case the series was renewed. JMHO. (NT) -- NanaSue, 21:17:12 04/25/05 Mon
  - Yeah, Harm might have been trying to compliment Mac since she has been the one mentoring Vic. Maybe he hoped that she had taught Vic something about ethics and working hard.. Something we ALL respect about Mac.. Harm didn't at that moment deserve that snipe.. (NT) -- Mira, 22:06:18 04/25/05 Mon
    - I didn't take Mac's comment as a snipe. She said it very nicely and answered Harm's question. He was definitely insinuating and wondering if something went on between the two of them. Harm has always done that to Mac about other men. That hasn't changed. You could tell after she answered him that he was possibly sorry he asked her that way. The little green monster was showing its head. (NT) -- a fan, 05:59:13 04/26/05 Tue
- mira, i think you are one of those people that lives off moaning. If you couldnt moan, you would have nothing to say. it may be a free baord but your making others dipressed with your winny words. for god sake it will be over come friday. why noy focus on the good and forget the bad as no amount of moaning will change the past. (NT) -- stats, 03:29:31 04/26/05 Tue
  - Yeah, and your one of those people that live with their head up their six! Standards have been lowered these past five years, that is apparent from the crappy storylines.. So be happy with the pap.. (NT) -- Mira, 09:28:18 04/26/05 Tue
- i dont live up my six i just dont feel the need to force my views on people ALL THE TIME. i work on a tv set of a british soap in the uk, so i undersatnad how hard it is for the people behind the scenes, and with a high turn over of writers on the show im not suprised that the quality has been poor. as the old saying goes 'those that cant do, MOAN'! (NT) -- stats, 10:17:00 04/26/05 Tue
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Can't stop Thinking about JAG -- RaichieS, 02:05:25 04/25/05 Mon
Hi Everyone-I actually didn't find this site until my dad told me a few months ago that DJE was leaving JAG. I had to find info and found y'all (I'm actually from so. Cal) and haven't left. I was so excited to find other fans like me.

I didn't get to watch Friday's episode til this morning-Sunday(getting ready for Passover) and I haven't been able to stop thinking about the show since. I even had a JAG themed dream around noon (Passover dinner goes to Midnight so a nap was needed).

We haven't seen an episode like that in a long time. I felt like it was the days of yore. The friendly bantering was so awesome.

My theory, similar to many of you, is that the coin toss is who will move to where there other one is. My fantasy is that Mac shows up in her red dress and Harm looking great in uniform for an impromptu wedding (though supposedly the episode was taped before anyone knew the show was going off the air). But wouldn't that be awesome? I think the plan before the whole "I love you scene" will be for Harm to take Mattie with him to London.

I don't think we'll know who won the coin toss. I can picture the end shot, the coin lands they look (we don't see the coin) at it and the show ends with them giving each other a grinning shot that is similar to many of the looks they've given each other over the years.

Anyway, wanted to write here for a bit, so I've been babbling. Midnight now, again after another night of Passover food. So I end with my DJE sighting.
A year ago, in Brentwood, near where I live there was a street fair one Sunday. Lo and behold, there was DJE and his family with some friends. I had to run back and forth through the fair to see him up close and wow I wasn't disappointed. He was picking up his new baby out of the stroller and it was a total high for me. The fair was held again last week, but alas no DJE as he was prepping to run a marathon in Boston.

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- I felt the same way about the last episode. It was nice to see things somewhat normal again, even if it's only for a short time *sniff*...I think the coin toss is interesting, if only because it harks back to the good old days...flipping for a bunk on the sub, flipping for first chair... (I think I'm going to cry now, LOL) (NT) -- Nid, 08:50:57 04/25/05 Mon
anyone think it ends with the marriage reuqest and then fade to black?? -- psufan, 16:57:52 04/23/05 Sat

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- sorry...request (NT) -- psufan, 16:58:46 04/23/05 Sat
- Who really knows, but as long as there is a possibility of a 2 hour wedding movie in the future (NT) -- t, 19:22:16 04/23/05 Sat
wow... -- lilithdragon05, 16:03:44 04/23/05 Sat
all i can say is wow. and wow again. and i dearly hope that things go well for the finale. after months of not watching, last night was definitely a good time to tune back in.

i hope they make this shipper happy.

cheers!
lilz

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- 1st time i watched since 4%....please let it turn out well!!! (NT) -- psufan, 16:56:33 04/23/05 Sat
- Im going to be a shipper bandwagon now.LOL! Im sad to say though that David and Catherine do share some intense hot chemistry on the screen and what a shame for Bellisario to squander all that. I have been invited by Mac fans and shippers on someone's beach house for the finale so it sounds like fun and memorable.Im only hoping now they wont trample the hearts of fans. (NT) -- chopra0502, 00:03:48 04/24/05 Sun
It's Really Over -- Meg, 16:00:23 04/23/05 Sat
As soon as I saw the words on the preview, "The Last JAG ever," I just started crying. Even though I think it's time, and had a feeling this would be JAG's last year, that made it really hit that everything was over. I kept remembering coming into the living room at age fourteen and seeing the last scene of Meg's first episode where Harm and Meg are talking on the deck of the now-surfaced sub. I guess part of me never really thought this would happen.

It reminded me of the Counterstrike series finale, when Stone says, "It was a good run while it lasted." And on Diagnosis Murder's Murder of Mark Sloan, "It doesn't make any sense what happened yesterday." I have a new line to add to my list of "Quotes that tore me up," even though it really doesn't count since it wasn't actually on the episode. "Last JAG ever" . The three worst words!

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Hallelujah! -- MacMackenzie, 12:54:34 04/23/05 Sat
OH MY GOD!!! My heart literally dropped in my shoes, and I truly screamed when I heard him tell her "I Love You Mac". Never, never, ever in a million years did I think he would ever say that to her (AND THAT KISS...my god it's a wonder the two didn't go up in flames right there on the spot..and they are oh-so-conveniently sitting on a BED!!). I swear, my dad looked at me like I'd lost my mind and my mom came rushing into the living room because she thought something was wrong LOL!!! Did you guys hear him say, "Let's get married"???? I screamed so loud after he told her he loved her that I completely missed that last line. I heard it after I immediately went back and replayed the promo LOL (and screamed again). But like DAR, I am terrified that something is going to happen to destroy it. Remember last year when the season 9 finale promo said that one of the characters was pregnant, and showed Mac in a hospital gown. You never know what DPB will do, perhaps he will give us shippers the ending we deserve.

I think one of them is going to resign from the military, and I think it's going to be Harm. I feel this way because now he has Mattie to take care of, hopefully he and Mac are together, and that's a long way to be away from the two of them. I think he and Mattie and Mac are going to live together in SD where Mac will be stationed. It makes more sense for him to resign being that his new station is in London. I don't think he woudl abandon Mattie like that, and she needs the therapy and recooperation at the hospital.

So, I am waiting with baited breath on the series finale. I am so glad I recoreded the episode on DVD (I got a DVD recorder for my b-day) because I would have worn out the tape already lol!!! I hope Harm and Mac do get together, and they move with Mattie to SD.

MacMackenzie

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- more likely senario -- p, 13:28:34 04/23/05 Sat
  - MacMackenzie and P, do you both think Tom (Mattie's Dad) will "buy the farm" next week? Or will temporary custody be assigned to Harm? P, as far as the pension, Mac would pull down way more than that in private practice, so maybe it's not such an issue. 4 years apart, when they have waited so long... I understand what you are saying about pension, but between Harm, Mac and Harm's inheritance from Frank and Mom, I think they would not be so pressured to make their life decisions based upon one pension. (NT) -- Lucky., 14:15:25 04/23/05 Sat
    - They dont seem like the kind of people who spell Love with a $ in the middle of it (NT) -- anony-mouse, 17:25:08 04/23/05 Sat
    - I think Tom goes back to dry out after seeing his girl is okay. -- p, 19:49:15 04/23/05 Sat
    - I wasn't talking about the pension, I was just saying it made more sense for Harm to resign and take care of Mattie. Her father is just not stable to take care of her, and there is no one else left for her. Maybe he passes up the command post in London. (more inside). -- MM, 11:23:03 04/25/05 Mon
  - Points of Clarification. Harm graduated from the USNA in 1985. He eligible for 20 year retirement on or about 1 June 2005. His retired pay then is 50% of his base pay averaged over the last 3 years of active duty. Since he doesn't have 3 years as a permanent O-6, her retires as an O-5. That is a living wage in parts of the country (not DC), but is like $33,000, not $60,000. If one separates, it should be Harm since Mac doesn't have 20 years in to be eligible for retirement pay and benefits. (NT) -- Bingo, 00:30:46 04/24/05 Sun
    - I was thinking along those lines myself. Harm's mother lives in San Diego and Mattie would be able to use the facilities out there. It sure would be convenient enough. (NT) -- aquarius83, 01:40:24 04/24/05 Sun
    - I don't want Harm to give up his career. O-6 is a huge achievement and he gave up everything for Mac once and got nothing but ingratitude and contempt from Mac. This time its Mac's turn to make the sacrifice but its not a sacrifice because she will get a life with Harm. (NT) -- McMax, 06:07:44 04/25/05 Mon
      - Especially when it sounded to me, and I am totally unmiltary and it went so fast, that Harm's command is kind of a big deal... That's why the promotion it goes with the command. More so than Mac's command which sounds like a joint thing. That puts him one step closer to being JAG someday, say if Cresswell retires in five to ten years. (NT) -- Mira, 08:53:34 04/25/05 Mon
- I'm kind of curious as to what they'll do with Vukovic... -- Meg, 16:02:20 04/23/05 Sat
  - Next time you watch NCIS watch the way McGee's mouth moves, and then the same on the guy playing Vukovic....he could play mcgee's brother. (NT) -- tv junkie mom, 17:23:06 04/23/05 Sat
  - I don't think Vukovic will move over. -- p, 19:38:04 04/23/05 Sat
- just the same -- danielle, 22:59:28 04/23/05 Sat
I'm on cloud nine but am petrified that DB is setting us up in some way. What does that scene befor the kiss mean. Harm looks misurable when Mac asks him if they are ready for "this." I don't trust DB. -- DAR, 09:54:30 04/23/05 Sat

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- You're not the only one to feel this. I can't help but to feel that DPB is not going to give up his last chance to kick every shipper in the teeth. Remember DPB always said in every interview that Harm and Mac would never be together. (NT) -- McMax, 10:20:05 04/23/05 Sat
  - Remember DJE said that we'd love the finale. I don't think fans would love the finale unless H/M end up together at the end. (NT) -- aquarius83, 11:34:45 04/23/05 Sat
- I thought Mac asked Harm "if he ever thought it would come to this?" instead of are your ready for this? Which could mean Mac was suprised the day would come when they would be given separate transfers 1000's of miles apart. Maybe I misunderstood. I'll need to watch again (NT) -- Stephanie, 13:46:22 04/23/05 Sat
  - M ac says, "Were you ready for all of this? Harm responds, "Were you?" Then he looks to the side. I have no guess why he looks away, but am hoping this is when they come to the realization they can actually do something about it. (NT) -- Lucky, 14:05:28 04/23/05 Sat
Yahoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I could hardly believe my ears as I listened to the preview! I hope that TPTB reward our faithful viewing of 10 years! Go Harm and Mac! -- Patty, 05:51:12 04/23/05 Sat

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- Patty, Does the Tin Man have a heart? It will be a really tense week. SHould I warn family, friends and co-workers? At min I will be really distracted. (NT) -- Lucky, 09:06:58 04/23/05 Sat
- Now I am starting to worry a bit that part of what we saw in the preview will be part of a dream sequence. I just don't, as a viewer, want to be lead by the nose only to have DB stick a knife in to the plot and twist it. -- Patty, 10:36:38 04/23/05 Sat
  - Yes its all a dream and they wake up 5 yrs later with two kds running around theirs of course not adopted and certainly not Mattie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- BooBoo, 19:35:09 04/23/05 Sat
Screen Caps from Preview -- Hope, 03:03:30 04/23/05 Sat
For screen caps from preview of the finale Click Here

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- Wow, I'm speechless.... Anyone want to guess at the "More than you can imagine" cap? (NT) -- Lucky - Thanks Hope, 09:09:24 04/23/05 Sat
I just can't make myself like 'mini-HARM'. (little finger extended and at the corner of my mouth . . . mwahahahaha) -- krazy4aj (I MISS AJ), 00:21:23 04/23/05 Sat

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Bud is the Man -- Lucky, 23:03:55 04/22/05 Fri

Yes, I said it before....

I am revelling in Bud's triumph. Anyone else? Harm had a great near chuckle there about it. If I could stop watching the preview, I would love to rewatch that scene.

By the way, how about Sturgis' new do? I was glad to see him!

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- Bud was successful for two reasons -- p, 23:47:28 04/22/05 Fri
- Bud was terrific! Loved seeing his silly sense of humor and Harm congratulating him on a job well done. Bud rocks! (NT) -- PB, 02:59:01 04/23/05 Sat
  - Probably waht I like the most about Bud "cracking the case" is the fact that Mac helped him (she's really smart) and all of his co-workers and friends are glad about it. (NT) -- Lucky, 09:04:16 04/23/05 Sat
  - I think Vukosuck probably learned more working this case than any other. -- p, 19:56:19 04/23/05 Sat
Can I get an AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!? -- JF1, 22:11:45 04/22/05 Fri
I don't want to spoil - but ITA with the post below. WOW. My mom is trying to screw with my shipper bubble but NO ONE CAN POP IT NOW everything is going to be okay, because remember what DJE said - Fans will LIKE the ending.

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- This will go right up there with the Friends finale if it works out. (NT) -- aquarius83, 22:24:39 04/22/05 Fri
  - This will be much better (NT) -- p, 13:31:53 04/23/05 Sat
- JF1, I'm right there with you. Mom's just don't understand. LOL! I am hoping this preview isn't about "throwing" the millions of shippers "a bone." By the way play the preview in slow mo. I hope someone downloads this in a video. The frames are great from "We the People, Retreat Hell, Embasy" wow! (NT) -- Lucky, 22:58:40 04/22/05 Fri
- I was thinking that it would be hilarious if this ends up like Newhart....where we see them later on in bed and all ten years were just a dream. (NT) -- aquarius83, 01:23:25 04/23/05 Sat
- Inside -- Mazza, 06:43:46 04/23/05 Sat
  - I think I've watched the preview at least 10 times in the last half hour! (NT) -- Mazza, 07:17:21 04/23/05 Sat
  - Mazza, when I thought the series would end without anymore Harm appearances at all, I decided to take the Peter and Claire affair (while it was good - end of series 1/ and beginning of series 2 ) from McCleod's daughter's and pretend they are Harm and Mac. Particularly the episode when Claire has to stay up with her pregnant horse. Now I can relax. (NT) -- Lucky, 09:18:05 04/23/05 Sat
- I CANT STOP WATCHING THE PREVIEWS!! ahhhh!!! PLEASE let this be right!!! I think it will be im trying not to get my hopes up or down but its hard not to speculate (NT) -- navychic-a shipper till the end, 22:19:03 04/23/05 Sat
Next week's preview -- aquarius83, 22:01:08 04/22/05 Fri
Two words...holy crap!

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- man, after that preview i can see how the post below would be accurate. man oh man oh man. i'm smiling really big right about now. (NT) -- claire, 22:11:31 04/22/05 Fri
- spoiler -- yes!, 22:18:48 04/22/05 Fri
  - You have got to be kidding me! -- Meg, 22:23:15 04/22/05 Fri
    - Well, DB did say that if he would put them together, it wouldn't be until the finale. And from what I've been reading, DJE said that we'd love the finale. (NT) -- aquarius83, 22:26:50 04/22/05 Fri
    - Addendum. -- Meg, 22:29:59 04/22/05 Fri
  - final preview -- mbsweeney, 22:05:44 04/25/05 Mon
- Inside..... -- JNTS, 22:29:13 04/22/05 Fri
  - Inside.... -- aquarius83, 22:36:47 04/22/05 Fri
    - Addendum to earlier statement -- aquarius83, 22:40:55 04/22/05 Fri
      - Aquaruis83, I have not been able to watch my Jag tapes since the intro of Vukovic and all the foilers, etc. so I am hoping a good ending may bring me back. In fact I had removed all my Jag tapes, moved them into boes in the basement which means they were in series consideration for disposal. Now I am wondering if I will dig them out? (NT) -- Lucky, 09:23:18 04/23/05 Sat
- Im no shipper but Im all for Harm and Mac.I think its cool and rewarding to see many viewers happy and celebrating than some crabby gloomy mourning fandom. If this was a trick by DB I have to say its really below the belt. Comeuppance on his six. (NT) -- tenon, 22:52:44 04/22/05 Fri
CB and DJE -- Rachelle, 20:35:40 04/21/05 Thu
I might be a little far fetched here and i have been sick all week and relying on medication to keep me going... but i read somewhere that while filming JAG's last episode, CB and DJE had a little fun with each other and actually were licking each other.. i would love it if comeone knew where this was originally posted!

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- www.voy.com/155927/ (Jagged Pack board) scroll all the way down under Double E's post. Its on the other shipper places but I dont know where. (NT) -- shippergurl, 21:39:08 04/21/05 Thu
- Uh, is that "licking" (as in, running one's tongue across another's skin) or "Liking" (as in, enjoying another's company)?? Inquiring minds want to know. If the latter, I certainly hope after 9 years of working together that they were able to put aside any differences and give the fans their best work. (NT) -- The Chief (from the HB - just wandering by and saying "hey"!), 08:31:34 04/22/05 Fri
  - It was licking. The fan who had the walk on role posted that as they leaned in to kiss each other for that scene CB licked DJE and this started a little licking battle between the two. She posted this on the yahoo shipperhm group and yahoo jagclips boards. (NT) -- Hope, 08:54:02 04/22/05 Fri
  - Huh? what differences you're talking about? Everyone from the cast,crew and fans that visited said DJE and CB are very close. I think the licking and fooling around each other is behind the scenes and happening when the cameras arent rolling so I doubt we see this on the episode. DVD extras someday maybe.LOL! (NT) -- Jesse, 14:49:29 04/22/05 Fri
Harm a Captain? Look at this week's TV Guide -- Sr Chief, 10:51:22 04/21/05 Thu
Have you seen the shot of Harm & Mac in the new TV Guide? Harm is wearing a dress uniform with 4 stripes....looks like he makes Captain before being shipped to England! The second shot, of Harm playing the guitar, is an old shot from a couple of years ago.

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- Actually the guitar is new. Look at Harms metals (fruit salad) they are from this season. I hope we get to hear harm play one more time befor the season ends. (NT) -- carol, 13:13:49 04/21/05 Thu
A shipper ending after all? -- danielle, 21:17:02 04/20/05 Wed
Thanks a lot tv junkie mom and NanaSue for the information. I was just watching CBS waiting for the King of Queens to come on and i saw a comercial that said the last two episodes of jag are this Friday...and it showed Mac and Harm getting ready to KISS ON A BED!!!!! (sigh happily) My perfect ending MIGHT come true....we shall see.

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- Its good to be hopeful but just be careful because this show mocked us plenty of times.Its all ratings trick too by CBS. They know Harm and Mac is attention grabber. (NT) -- Shine, 01:28:20 04/21/05 Thu
  - danielle, I can't make it out but I keep thinking it is a coffee table. Bed? (NT) -- Lucky, 22:49:10 04/22/05 Fri
So JAG is over. What message boards are there that will follow DJE's next tv show on ABC ?? -- Dee#1, 20:58:32 04/20/05 Wed

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- Im sure the Harmy board will do that. The addy is on the links above. Its really Jag that made me enjoy them so much. The other roles for DJE and CB wont really hold my interest that much.Plus its the characters I care more not the actors. (NT) -- Shine, 01:26:35 04/21/05 Thu
- I dont even get this obsession by rabid fans over the DJE Variety ad and CB Variety ad. What a waste of money and this two stars are not gods. (NT) -- Mandy, 19:38:32 04/21/05 Thu
  - First, Mandy: None of the DJE or CB fans think that the actors are gods. Rabid? No more so than the thousands of sports fans our there. And although I didn't contribute to the ads, if the fans wanted to do it, and got the $ for it, I don't see why it bothers you so...... (NT) -- Gree, 20:42:49 04/21/05 Thu
    - True Mandy and both DJE and CB deserves it.Jag is not gone yet but I already miss Harm and Mac very much. (NT) -- shippergurl, 21:40:56 04/21/05 Thu
      - Sorry Im agreeing with Gree not Mandy. (NT) -- shippergurl, 21:41:36 04/21/05 Thu
Jog Book -- Meg, 17:18:54 04/20/05 Wed
I've actually found a Jag related book written by a real life Jag attorney. The title is Treason, the author is Don Brown and it's the first in the Navy Justice Series through Zondervan Publishing. It's about a Jag attorney prosecuting Naval Personnel with ties to terrorism. Very good book, reminded me a lot of the TV series. There's even a small NCIS tie-in.

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- There are two JAG (the TV series) novels (Inside) -- denny594, 00:01:13 04/22/05 Fri
  - Clean Steel is a little better than JAG. What bothered me was the author didn't bother to do his homework. As in if he had bothered to watch the Pilot or any of the series, he at least could have kept facts about his characters straight. $100.00 of a paperback on Ebay? Will have to check my bookcases.... (NT) -- Mira, 08:34:14 04/22/05 Fri
  - I read them and enjoyed them. The book I'm referring to I thought might be of interest for those who are into the JAG/Military system and would like more fiction on the topic - since it's not easy to find. (NT) -- Meg, 19:45:24 04/22/05 Fri
2 weeks of no jag -- danielle, 21:52:26 04/18/05 Mon
I have been unable to watch jag for two weeks....can anyone please give me the details??? Thanks

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- You're gonna either hate the eps during rerun season or you're gonna love em (NT) -- tv junkie mom, 22:58:14 04/18/05 Mon
- The Friends of JAG website usually has synopsis of the episodes. You can reach them here: http://p216.ezboard.com/bfriendsofjag (NT) -- NanaSue, 10:29:05 04/19/05 Tue
DJE in Boston Marathon. -- Rosie, 16:18:50 04/18/05 Mon
Hi guys.

I took this picture about an hour ago. It was taken right on mile 20. He passed there little before 3:10.

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- Good eye rosie great pic! He amazing as usual! (NT) -- Erin, 18:27:26 04/18/05 Mon
  - In the Boston Globe this morning it mentions he ram for the Massachusettes Salvation Army, program for children (NT) -- p, 13:30:59 04/19/05 Tue
- Rosie, can I have permission to post this to another board? (NT) -- Barbie, 18:37:57 04/18/05 Mon
- WOW! you have some more????????? (NT) -- suzie, 18:54:18 04/18/05 Mon
- Gosh, I can't believe I missed him. Still, Rosie, you have brightened my day. Thanks. (NT) -- Boston Tiger, 19:29:02 04/18/05 Mon
- Notice how he is surrounded by women! (NT) -- FloridaJagNut, 23:01:40 04/18/05 Mon
  - So the guy must be in fantastic shape! Not heavy as some people have suggested.. If DJE has seemed a bit sudued the last few episodes, who could blame him if his heart wasn't totally in it. (NT) -- Mira, 00:13:11 04/19/05 Tue
- What is Renee doing there running with him? EGAD. (NT) -- DAR, 09:45:11 04/19/05 Tue
the surprise -- kitten, 05:39:08 04/17/05 Sun
il put this inside because its a spoiler

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- inside -- kitten, 05:40:33 04/17/05 Sun
  - what is this (NT) -- a, 09:42:07 04/17/05 Sun
    - Its not really a surprise when its out there. CBS is saying about a big surprise and futon critic's description of a big surprise is inside -- seiyuu, 17:43:40 04/17/05 Sun
      - You're kinda close seiyuu because the latest from tv guide says -- M, 00:33:50 04/18/05 Mon
        
        Yeah, but do you think seriously that.... [inside] -- Mira, 10:02:37 04/18/05 Mon
        
        Im just passing the tv guide spoiler not speculating. Now you can get back to your negative and Jag bashing programming. Jag did succeed because some of you hate Jag so much but still watch it anyway. (NT) -- M, 12:50:56 04/18/05 Mon
- The JAG producers --- Don Bellesario and Steven Zito are old men. They don't want to write women as equals and succesful lawyers / officers. No wonder Zito got fired from CSI Miami. He is a dinasaour. too bad JAG took him back -- Zito has ruined the last 2 years of JAG with geriatric and sexist writing. (NT) -- j, 21:00:46 04/17/05 Sun
- DB shows are always tailored made for men.Tried NCIS but I dont even like any of the characters. DB to me is like oldschool but in a wayward way. In Harm's era and even in Vic's era Mac was always taking a beating from this show. Im betting if S-11 came about it will be poor Vic and Mayfield or some woman broke his heart thus his cad ways.(snort)or be Graves fault.>>>>message inside -- Greg, 00:22:27 04/18/05 Mon
My late night thoughts on the season finale -- JF1, 22:59:19 04/16/05 Sat
They're pretty optimistic but with reasoning. See inside as not to spoil.

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- Inside. -- JF1, 23:07:23 04/16/05 Sat
  - Lets hope it leads to a JAG TV movie in the future with Harm and Mac getting married at the Naval Academy Chapel in Annapolis (NT) -- p, 23:15:14 04/16/05 Sat
  - Good reasoning, JF1. There's just one part where I have slight disagreement. (inside) -- Deemus, 12:16:52 04/17/05 Sun
    - I agree, you could well be right on the above - I was just going with the yes-no scenario in this line of reasoning because it limits the options enough to allow me to finish speculating in a short drive ;) Personally I hope it's not a yes-no thing because you're right, that does cast serious doubt on dedication. (NT) -- JF1, 17:37:06 04/17/05 Sun
- Is this CBS cilp of Mac and Harm kissing up on the JAG website or did you just see it advertised during the show? (NT) -- Rachelle, 02:03:38 04/17/05 Sun
  - Do not see it at CBS website. I saw it in the promo for the last two episodes Friday night. (NT) -- lucky, 08:45:44 04/17/05 Sun
    - Well I can't wait till it does come up on the CBS website because with me over here in Australia and not having seen JAG in months i will never get to see it :( (NT) -- Rachelle, 05:06:37 04/18/05 Mon
  - pic..H/M -- ahs, 21:41:19 04/18/05 Mon
- Inisde.. -- happy lurker..., 10:00:19 04/18/05 Mon
  - That my Happy Lurker has EVERYTHING to do with their relationship..... -- Mira, 10:11:32 04/18/05 Mon
    - Look Mira I know Im a nonshipper but I dont keep on dumping water on the fans esp shippers. Who cares anymore, few fans will be in denial but its a fact Harm and Mac love each other its TPTB who are gutless and stupid. (NT) -- Agorra11, 13:32:43 04/18/05 Mon
      - How nice for you.... What's wrong with a little healthy water dumping? Better now and be pleasantly surprised, than a huge disappointment... As for being negative, don't know where you've been but there is very little positive around here anymore.. So I am not alone.. (NT) -- Mira, 13:55:41 04/18/05 Mon
        
        Ofcourse there's plenty to be unhappy about Jag but with you every year is only about negative spins. You kept posting you dont feel like watching Jag anymore,you said your Jag farewells and weeks ago you said you might not even bother watching the series finale but look at you. Enjoy your gloating. (NT) -- Agorra11, 14:48:49 04/18/05 Mon
  - Inside..... -- JNTS, 18:27:40 04/18/05 Mon
    - There's always the possiblity Mac could resign from the marines and take a government job. She has 16-17 years towards retirement (30 -35 yrs) That way she could still work with him. (NT) -- p, 20:52:49 04/18/05 Mon
      - I think she's got more than that Peter....Mac joined up at 19...she's 4 years younger than Harm, Harm is 41-42, so Mac very well could have 18+ years of service.....I could live with her going on Reserve status, but don't think I will like it if JAG ends with Mac not being a Marine. (NT) -- JNTS, 21:10:35 04/18/05 Mon
        
        Harm was 5 when his father was shot down in 69 -- p, 09:49:15 04/19/05 Tue
    - Thats the problem, I think they would have written it differently if they knew the show was being canceled when they wrote the final. So the point is, Mac was going to still be on the show next year. Now there is no show. [inside] -- Mira, 00:23:25 04/19/05 Tue
- The easiest for them to do is get married, report to their new assignments, then due to their marriage....a transfer can be requested by one to be with the other. I know it can happen; I've seen it done. (NT) -- TKW, 23:18:09 04/18/05 Mon
  - The main reason they would do it is leverage. Harm and Mac are the best. If they want to keep them both in the service they would allow the transfer. -- p, 09:55:25 04/19/05 Tue
    - Yeah, but becoming Captian puts him one step closer to becoming JAG. One even speculate that he has a good shot at it when Cresswell resigns.. So would Mac want him to blow that chance? One can assume that Mac will be promoted soon, but that may not happen ... [inside] -- Mira, 16:09:05 04/19/05 Tue
      - yea but for many viewers they're meant to be. TPTB is selling it and many bought. It was there for a reason. All the better too that there's no season 11. NO MORE SEASON 11, end of story. (NT) -- ryder, 15:58:16 04/20/05 Wed
- I've got a creepy feeling... -- Meg, 20:51:50 04/22/05 Fri
Last night's case -- peter, 15:50:22 04/16/05 Sat
I thought it was interesting in how they tried to resolve the case last night.

Bud coming up with the inventory of drugs requested every month.

He tried to pass the buck and fault the Captain, whose lack of attention to detail cause him to request too little of the drug.

But who's to say he ordered the drugs. He just signed off on it. It was probably a enlisted Pharmacy Tech who made the mistake.

It didn't really change anything. The Captain probably has much more experience dealing with very bad burns.

He probably knew the girl was going to die regardless of what drug they use to relax the girl so that they could tube her.

The yound doctor probably thought she was Hawkeye Pierce.

The ending only serve to give her a way out. That everyone can make a mistake.

It made for good relations saying I disobeyed orders because we're suppose to be helping the people here.

But as Harm pointed out about following orders. There are reasons why the military does things the way they do. They have been doing it for over a hundred years.

They know what works best. In this case given a valuable drug to a child who is badly burn was not going to save the girl's life.

It's only purpose was to make the doctor feel good that she did everything possible.

I do find one thing interesting. I don't know if Harm lost the case last night, but when you include it with Harm losing nest week to Bud and having his run in with Sturgis, and Mattie being severely hurt

Harm is leaving JAG on a very sour note.

Not a way to thank a guy who made you millions of dollars for ten years.

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- Hi Peter. I wish this had been the "A" story last night. I thought it was the better of the two. And I think it was bad editting that left the story arc without a real ending - I'd have liked to know what it was. As for the rest, I'm just going to enjoy the next 2 episodes. I'm hoping it ends in a good way. (NT) -- NanaSue, 15:58:59 04/16/05 Sat
- Inside....Spoiler information..... -- JNTS, 22:14:51 04/16/05 Sat
  - I think you have made my point as stated in earlier posts -- p, 23:01:29 04/16/05 Sat
  - I could care less about who wins or loses, and more about whether I feel the result is just. For example I'd have wanted Bugme to win the Boomerang case, even though I love Harm to bits. (NT) -- Meg, 22:31:50 04/22/05 Fri
New Jag episode -- Lawrence, 02:33:38 04/16/05 Sat
I did read about Jag finally cancelled but Im confuse why we're spending too much time with characters we dont like nor care for when we rather spend time with Harm,Mac and Bud. The new guy and the blondie have no screen presence and if they're the new Harm and Mac they're a joke.
The peole running Jag inhaled something too much with this stupid decisions. And they're back with their Harm and Mac stunts again.

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- DB should have done Vukosuck like he did NCIS. A two parter at most with a few new characters for viewers to see next season, JAG SD. He should have then gone back to the regular cast. The last 5-7 episodes should have resolved Harm and Mac's relationship. -- p, 09:53:34 04/16/05 Sat
- I totally agree, P (NT) -- ChompTom, 20:21:58 04/18/05 Mon
Jag tonight -- peter, 22:48:42 04/15/05 Fri
Last week they had two of the best stories all year.

This week Harm and Mac were facing off in the courtroom, it should have been the main story taking up at least 75% of the show.

Instead it was regulated to the back burner. Harm still mad at the world. Mac is reaching out to him and he's being an ass.

If there was a time when one needs support from a love one, now is the time.

It's one thing to love someone elses child. But it's another to throw away the love of the person you care about most because you don't know how to accept love.

I think that's Harm's real legacy, He doesn't know how to accept love after his father went MIA.

He never really accepted Frank. He might love his mother, but wants nothing to do with her. We only saw her twice in ten years.

Hell we saw Big Bud and mental midget Mikey numerous times.

Hell even Coates couldn't reach him.

It was a good court case, but was way too short. Very surprise that Mac and Bud gave up so easily.

As for the other story, what a waste of TV time.
This is what DB had hope to give us next year?

The acting was horrible. Sure blondie came up with some good lines, but at best she's a D rated actor. She couldn't make Vukosuck look good.

If anything she made him look bad.

DB overplayed his hand here. He showcased Vukosuck to often. He gave CBS too much of an opportunity to see how really bad Jag was going to be next year.

Successful shows need people who are characters. Characters that one can identify with, get emotionally involved with.

He had that with Harm and Mac, and to a lesser extent Bud and Harriet. He also had good people like AJ, Jason, Jen, and even Gunny who added something special to the show that made us love Harm and Mac even more.

As much as I love Kate and Tony's bantering, they come across more as two people as they get to know each other become good friends, but not necessary anthing more.

They probably represent DB's ideal of what he wants in a male/female relationship.

Harm and Mac's relationship was always special. They were two people who love each other, but also love being together. They made each othe better, they made each other whole.

Their relationship was special. Something that doesn't come along everyday.

I don't think we'll see anything like it for a long time to come.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Elliot comes up with a new show base on Harm and Mac in private practice ten year down the road with two or three kids.

Maybe he can sort of rewrite history the way we all wanted it, and I'm sure he wanted it.

But I'm sure in the future if he ever acts again it will be with his wife.

Only one real good momnet came. it was at minute 59.

They show a preview in ghostly fashion of Harm and Mac moving in for a kiss.

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- For about three years Mac has treated Harm like complete crap and now suddenly she cares about him? If I was Harm I wouldn't believe it either. (NT) -- McMax, 23:05:37 04/15/05 Fri
  - In all reality Harm screwed his life up more than anyone else. Mac played a small part. -- p, 23:41:08 04/15/05 Fri
    - Both have treated the other like crap McMax..both have taken their shots at the other & both have received the shots of the other....Harm has treated Mac like absolute crap too, but she knows he still cares about her, just like I hope (even though he's battling his demons) she cares about him. It took her time to let him in & go to him (which she did ironically while he was having dinner with Alicia) & hopefully Harm will go to Mac when the time is right in his life...Both are to blame in treating the other badly camp, they both have done it & they both have also been there for the other :) (NT) -- JNTS, 10:46:20 04/16/05 Sat
  - I agree with your comment. Mac has treated Harm like crap. Her feeling comes across as insincere. As many Mac fans have claimed about Harm's feeling, Mac's attempt is too little, too late. (NT) -- G, 22:19:16 04/17/05 Sun
- I disagree McMax. If I were you stop playing shrink to Harm and Mac and just enjoy the remaining episodes. I dont think any viewer will understand what DB and Co.are thinking? (NT) -- Chad, 23:09:01 04/15/05 Fri
- (NT) -- Hope - trying not to get my hopes up to high, 23:29:48 04/15/05 Fri
  - ITA Chad. Oooo Hope thank you but Im doubting TPTB will make us this happy unless heaven interceded for us.LOL! (NT) -- shippergurl, 23:37:03 04/15/05 Fri
- I'm wondering why this photo is in "ghostly" fashion...hope it's not just a dream. We want to see something concrete!! Last night was frustrating. Can they give the 2 of them a conversation that DOESN"T get interrupted? (NT) -- ChompTom, 07:57:41 04/16/05 Sat
  - The whole preview was done in this fussy fashion. So I don�t think it is a dream. (NT) -- Hope, 13:25:01 04/16/05 Sat
- Peter you nailed it. What duds Yuck and Graves were. DB they have no electricity, charisma or much acting ability. They are trying to copy Harm and Mac but it just can't be done. (NT) -- DAR, 10:30:20 04/16/05 Sat
  - I love you all shippers and I dont have a problem with them together but watch for the DB ambush. Im sure the shippers are well aware. (NT) -- Stella(nonshipper), 10:46:48 04/16/05 Sat
- I too thought Harm/Mac had a more interesting case and would have loved to see more of it. Perhaps DB wanted to so a "Blues" episode, but using Vukovic? The guy couldn't emote to save himself! If DB wants to push JAG: The Next Generation as us, the least he could do was to write the characters in a flattering way and to get some people who can act. As it stands, I can barely stand the ditzy Graves, but Vukovic, Coates, Mickey, and the general's daughter -- collectively and individually -- make me want to hurl. For once I am not begrudging a network for cancelling a show that I watch. (NT) -- Kit, 14:07:34 04/16/05 Sat
  - Don't include Jen Coates in that group. She's GREAT. She special and adds a new refreshing dimension to the show. She would have been perfect working with Jason. Jen is beautiful and intelligent. She has a great sense of humor and honor. She fits in very well with premise of being a family unlike Vukosuck. Graves is just miscast. She reminds me too much of Harriet. A little more zany, but a lot less bitchy (NT) -- p, 15:34:10 04/16/05 Sat
- The only newcomer I like is the General but his family I dont care for. Coates,Graves,Vukovic,Cammie et al are a drag to watch. They're all Weak as in Capital W. (NT) -- Dave, 23:39:54 04/16/05 Sat
I don't know... -- JF1, 22:19:15 04/15/05 Fri
I'm really confused about how I feel about the finale tonight. In a sense I'm excited because I really do think things might turn out okay (if you watched the ep tonight you might understand - I don't want to bother going inside but I don't want to spoil anyone either, so if you watched until 10 tonight you might get it) but anyways I'm also sad because it's the end of my favorite show ever. I've never liked a show as much as JAG, it's so awesome. I know the "I'm going to stop watching" gets thrown around alot here but we all have to admit that we looked up this board because we thought JAG was awesome. So anyways. I'm excited, but sad. It'll be kind of bittersweet (or it could be just bitter depending on how DPB's romantic bone is feeling, if he has one...) and I'll actually probably cry, LOL. But then I cry at JIF commercials.

One more thing I have to say:
I'M GOING TO FANFEST EAST AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was my mom's birthday present to me. When is the season finale - in 2 weeks or 3 or 4? It would be so cool if it was the weekend we were in DC. Anyways see you guys later - literally, if you're going to fanfest east! :)

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- April 29 is the season finale. Have a great Time JF1. Enjoy! (NT) -- Marco, 23:47:03 04/15/05 Fri
To Rabbcrazy: The 'How Far?' video has gotten to be much in demand on the Yahoo Shipper Group List.. I've got folks emailing me to ask when it might be posted again.. I was able to download it to my desktop (Thanks!) and send it to one or two people, but most folks are getting the 'file has exceeded the allotted bandwith' message. Can you post it again for all the 'new' fans? -- khh1, 14:59:59 04/15/05 Fri

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- Its a nice video and I just saw the prefeed for tonight's Jag and must say Vukovic's team is better than Harm's story. Harm really looks old and wooden now. Vukovic's story is more alive and fresh. But I dont like the blonde partner of Vukovic.She's lame and try-hard Sandra Bullock. (NT) -- Janette, 16:46:08 04/15/05 Fri
- Vukovic and Graves are like watching paint dry. Too awful and boring. (NT) -- Jeromejr, 22:37:27 04/15/05 Fri
- No problem khh1! Thank your friends for their intrest!! 'HowFar' http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2U5FH5IDCHVZN0TGB5EBZWB4J9 'secretgarden' http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3P5JMCECUJMEC26219O03VWP5H (NT) -- Rabbcrazy, 15:58:42 04/16/05 Sat
  - Unfortunately, that loading of "How Far" had also already exceeded it's bandwith. Are you willing to try another round, please? (NT) -- Sharon, 22:05:10 04/19/05 Tue
- I would love to see the 2 videos -- How Far & Secret Garden! Pretty please. (NT) -- sg, 22:28:45 04/20/05 Wed
JAGFanFest Updates! -- The JAGFanFest Planning Committee, 22:42:15 04/14/05 Thu
JAGFanFest Friends,

We are pleased to announce JAG's own Emmy award nominated composer
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JAG CD, you know what a wonderful treat his appearance will be!
Other scores by Mr. Bramson include "Apollo 13", "James and the
Giant Peach" and his Emmy winning Outstanding Achievement in Music
Composition for Steven Spielberg's "Tiny Toon Adventures." Special
thanks to HarrietJAG for making this happen!

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About the end -- McMax, 06:26:10 04/13/05 Wed
These are from TVGuide.com Ask Ausiello and are about the JAG ender. Comment on JAG item, you got to be (blank)ing me! Comment on NCIS item, haha!

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- The Items -- McMax, 06:27:17 04/13/05 Wed
  - Am I the only one who sees this as a slap in the face to the fans? They can't be serious. (NT) -- NanaSue, 11:17:12 04/13/05 Wed
  - Maybe the coin toss will be, "Heads, I retire; tails, you retire," or "Heads, I ask to transfer to San Diego; tails, you ask to transfer to London." Or maybe it's just, "Your place or mine?" I refuse to get all upset about this! (NT) -- Deemus, 18:31:07 04/13/05 Wed
- ROTFLMAO!!! Inside.... -- JNTS, 10:06:39 04/13/05 Wed
  - It certianly isn't original... John and Aryan did it in Farscape. We didn't know how the coin fell that time either.. And it pulled them apart for a while.. The point being if that is the basis for a relationship it ain't good... So if that is it, even if they are together the other will grow to resent the other. (NT) -- Mira, 09:31:40 04/15/05 Fri
    - Well sadly Mira Jag is not as talented as Farscape. Nonshippers even like me know Harm and Mac are the best and are truly in love with each other. They're soulmates but we all know who the problem is in this show. The writing that is so moronic. Im through analyzing the Jag crap.As I said H-M are soulmates its TPTB who wasted them and never knew what gift they got in their hands. (NT) -- tenon, 13:02:49 04/15/05 Fri
- This sucks. (NT) -- sad again, 20:30:03 04/13/05 Wed
- I don't think he knows anything and is just being a smart-ass. (NT) -- David, 01:47:32 04/14/05 Thu
- Check out the latest info on www.spoilerfix.com...sounds intriguing! (NT) -- Patty, 07:20:19 04/14/05 Thu
- Im meeting up many Mac fans and shippers for the Jag series finale.We're all watching it together and we're reunited with some former shippers too. If DB is pandering to the nonship crowd I even think as a nonshipper its a wrong and a bad business move.I think most viewers want a happy and graceful exit.I just want my heroes happy together forever and while the military stories made Jag a complete success this nonship admits its really Harm and Mac that clicked solidly with many viewers and came back for more every week. (NT) -- Annie, 17:10:12 04/14/05 Thu
- We're meeting up in Maryland btw. (NT) -- Annie, 17:11:02 04/14/05 Thu
I've Just Seen a Pirated Video of the Series Finale and... -- Someone who should be working instead of doing this..., 15:50:46 04/13/05 Wed
If you don't want to know what happens in the last episode, don't read any further, but if you're interested, here are some tidbits...

1) Thanks to the miracle of hair transplants, a long-haired and bearded AJ Chegwidden makes a cameo appearance in a Boston Red Sox jersey and bearing a remarkable resemblance to Johnny Damon...

2) John Farrow arrives carrying a large butterfly net holding Mac's lost train ticket...

3) Newly appointed Judge Jason Tiner arrives to overturn all JAG verdicts for the past 10 years, not because they are unconstitutional, but because they are just plain dumb...

4) Renee shows up with a dark-haired, handsome 3-year old boy, whom she introduces as "Harmon Rabb Junior Junior"...

5) And in the last scene of the series, Harm wakes up in bed, rolls over and there's Meg Austin - he says "You'll never believe the dream I had!"

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- ...hopefully some of you are old enough to "get" #5... (NT) -- the author..., 16:34:12 04/13/05 Wed
  - And Meg replies, Oh Bob just wake up, you are not 6 foot 4 and in the Navy. (NT) -- NonnaRu, 22:42:03 04/13/05 Wed
They had a small clip on ET tonight with DJE. Last thing he said was that the fans will be happy with the ending. He wouldn't say anything else about the way the last ep will go......But I checked out the TV Guide listings page and in the blurb for the 22's show apparently the General gives both H&M some news about their careers. -- Lady C, 22:46:52 04/12/05 Tue

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- Yeah i just saw that interview here in Australia. DJE comments should make shippers breathe a little easier. I also noticed how old DJE is looking too. (NT) -- Rachelle, 02:19:30 04/13/05 Wed
- Not holding my breath or getting excited about it or I will just turn a deep unhealthy shade of blue. Its what they do best, tease and taunt the audience for nothing.I rather go out than get sleepy or doggone over sleazy characters like Vukovic,Mikey,Coates and Graves. R.I.P.JAG. CBS should have dumped this show after that NCIS garbage. (NT) -- Troi91, 21:31:46 04/13/05 Wed
I hope nonshippers loved this one. It was stirile, cold, humorless, dull and no continuity. Both Harm and Mac and even Bud came accross wooden and stiff. Thank heaven there won't be a season 11. -- DAR, 10:59:49 04/09/05 Sat

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- You're absolutely right. I noticed that to. I guess they all hear the fat lady singing and it ain't a pretty tune so everyone appears uptight. Can you blame them. (NT) -- Bob, 13:32:40 04/09/05 Sat
- Well this non-shipper liked it. (NT) -- Laurie2, 15:26:34 04/09/05 Sat
  - Well even nonshippers like me enjoy Jag more when its Harm and Mac working together. We really miss that and it sucks we are deprive of that with Jag ending. (NT) -- Agorra11, 20:11:41 04/09/05 Sat
  - And well it was so so for me. (NT) -- a nonshipper viewer, 13:28:11 04/12/05 Tue
- Dar, I will take Two Towns anyday over the last few episodes with no Harm. (NT) -- Lucky, 15:56:48 04/09/05 Sat
- It was a lot better than many of the eps since before the Paraguay mess. As for the remark about it being humorless, what humor is there in a whole town greiving for so many of their young people? I loved the way the whole town stood up and forgave him for starting the fire. Half a world away another mother and son working together to try and help their people. I think that so many people on this board are angry that the show is ending and disappointed that the so many stories have been substandard that they might be lashing out against all the eps. (NT) -- NonnaRu, 00:33:32 04/11/05 Mon
- It was alright but they could do better especially its our farewell countdown to Jag and this is all they could come up with? (NT) -- Chad, 16:29:04 04/11/05 Mon
  - Im hoping to see Bell in Gilmore,Alias but especially in the movies. (NT) -- moril, 20:42:38 04/13/05 Wed
To Rabbcrazy re: music video link: The page says the file has expired. Do you know if/when it will be uploaded again? Thanks for doing this! -- khh1, 22:56:03 04/12/05 Tue

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- I checked both links they work fine for me...lol for 'howfar' http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=27T7YNMYIVTEL2WOWDNUR2YZSS (NT) -- Rabbcrazy, 00:39:21 04/13/05 Wed
  - You're way too popular. :) It's had it's 25 hits already. (NT) -- Sharon (Always too late on this one.), 12:20:21 04/20/05 Wed
More Information on Season Final -- Mira, 10:01:38 04/12/05 Tue
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- More Information -- Mira, 10:14:33 04/12/05 Tue
  - Mira, you read it wrong. The Mattie wrap up and the Harm/Vukovic case is in the episode the week before called Dream Team. The season finale is all centered around Harm and Mac with some appearances by Bud, Harriett, Gen Cresswell. Vukovic has a small part in the finale episode on a case by himself. And Harm gets transferred to London. (NT) -- Kathy, 12:11:41 04/12/05 Tue
    - Don't think I read it wrong, perhaps they wrote it wrong over at Spoiler Fix... (NT) -- Mira, 20:43:00 04/12/05 Tue
      - No, actually Mira Kathy is right. Read the Dream Team Spoiler and then read the Finale Spoiler. The are two seperate shows. It looks like you probably ran them together. (NT) -- a fan, 21:18:44 04/12/05 Tue
- Mira if you dont wonna watch then dont watch. (NT) -- Dion, 13:29:27 04/12/05 Tue
- Im done with Jag but will return watching to see my Mac and curious to see the outcome of Harm and Mac. (NT) -- zooey, 13:13:41 04/15/05 Fri
- Im referring to the series end which I marked in my calendar April 29. (NT) -- zooey, 13:14:36 04/15/05 Fri
Attention Shippers! Just Maybe................ -- Roxanne, 11:02:03 04/12/05 Tue
I am not getting my hopes up, but just maybe DB will give us shippers something to smile about Friday, April 29th! See fourth paragraph, last couple of lines.

JAG" TO END ITS TOUR OF DUTY ON CBS ON APRIL 29
Released by CBS

"JAG" TO END ITS TOUR OF DUTY ON CBS ON APRIL 29

Series Will Conclude After 10 Years with 227 Missions in the Field

CBS and Paramount Network Television have jointly announced that the final episode of JAG, the longest running military drama on television with 10 seasons and 227 episodes to its credit, will be broadcast on Friday, April 29, 2005 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT).

"In my opening days at CBS, we needed to rebuild; we needed compelling, well-produced shows that would appeal to a wide audience," said Leslie Moonves, Co-President, Co-Chief Operating Officer of Viacom and Chairman, CBS. "JAG was one of the first series to fill that void, making an immediate impact on Friday nights. When we moved it to Tuesday nights in 1997, it played a key role in CBS's positive sea change in the ratings war. Since then, JAG has been one of the cornerstones of our schedule and a very influential part of the Network�s turnaround. CBS is proud to have been JAG's home for nine seasons and we salute the incredible talents and accomplishments of Don Bellisario, the cast and its crew."

David Stapf, President of Paramount Network Television, said: "For a decade, JAG has been an important part of the fabric of Paramount. Don Bellisario is a master storyteller and a producer with one of the most envied track records in television. He assembled an extremely talented cast and staff and, while we know we will be able to enjoy their work for years through syndication, we now bid 'good-bye' to this highly compelling series. We are grateful for everyone's contributions."

"We've had an amazing run, particularly for a series that was once cancelled,� said Donald P Bellisario, creator/executive producer. �Over the last 10 years we have had an opportunity to shine a spotlight on our armed forces and call attention to issues of significant importance to our country as well as the men and women who serve it. I want to acknowledge the amazing team responsible for JAG, most of whom have been with us for the entire run. The cast, writers, producers, directors, editors and crew have earned, as it is signaled in the Navy, a 'Bravo Zulu' for their outstanding work. We owe a special thanks to the United States Navy and Marine Corps for their cooperation, to CBS and Paramount for being great partners and to our fans who have been waiting for nearly a decade to see if Harm and Mac get together. To them I say 'fair winds and following seas."

JAG is military-speak for Judge Advocate General corps, the elite legal wing of officers trained as lawyers who investigate, prosecute and defend those accused of crimes in the military, including murder, treason and terrorism. Over the past nine seasons, Navy Cmdr. Harmon "Harm" Rabb, an ace pilot turned lawyer, and Marine Lt. Col. Sarah "Mac" MacKenzie, a beautiful by-the-book officer, have been colleagues with the same high standards who would clash when they chose different routes to get the job done. The unmistakable chemistry between them has been held at bay for professional reasons, but in the final episode, due to a bombshell dropped by General Cresswell, they are forced to face those feelings once and for all.

After one season on NBC, JAG premiered on CBS on January 3, 1997, airing on Fridays (9:00-10:00PM, ET/PT), then moved to Tuesdays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT) in the second season on the Network. It moved to its current timeslot, Fridays (9:00-10:00PM, ET/PT) last season.

Over the years, Bellisario, who is a former Marine, has arranged for the production to film on many locations, lending authenticity to the series, including Australia, where they filmed the 100th episode, Washington, D.C., Camp Pendleton, Pt. Mugu and North Island Naval Air Station military bases in California, and on active aircraft carriers at sea. Bellisario also strives for military accuracy in the actors' portrayals. From the haircuts and the snappy salutes to the way the uniforms are worn and the way the actors behave while in uniform, attention is paid to every detail.

Syndicated episodes of JAG can be seen on the Hallmark Channel and USA Network.

The series stars David James Elliott as Cmdr. Harmon Rabb Jr., Catherine Bell as Lt. Col. Sarah MacKenzie, Patrick Labyorteaux as Lt. Cmdr. Bud Roberts, Scott Lawrence as Cmdr. Sturgis Turner, David Andrews as Major General Gordon "Biff" Cresswell, Zoe McLellan as P.O. 1st Class Jennifer Coates and Chris Beetem as Lt. Gregory Vukovic. Past regular cast members include John M. Jackson as Adm. A.J. Chegwidden, Karri Turner as Lt. Harriet Sims, Chuck Carrington as P.O. Tiner and Randy Vasquez as Gunnery Sgt. Victor 'Gunny' Galindez.

Recurring cast members included Stephen Culp as Special Agent Clayton Webb, Trevor Goddard as Lt. Cmdr. Michael �Mic� Brumby, Michael Bellisario as Midshipman Mike �Mikey� Roberts, Paul Collins as Secretary of the Navy Nelson and Nanci Chambers, Elliott's wife, as Lt. Loren Singer.

Guest stars on the series included: Gloria Allred, Corbin Bernsen, Rudy Boesch, Ernest Borgnine, Dr. Joyce Brothers, Johnnie Cochran, Ossie Davis, Dale Dye, Gladys Knight, Mary Hart, Isabella Hoffmann, Joe Lando, Gavin McLeod, Gerald McRaney, Oliver North, Terry O'Quinn, Bill O'Reilly, Christina Pickles, Francesco Quinn, Doug Savant, John Schneider, Robert Stack, Dean Stockwell, Dee Wallace Stone, Lyman Ward, Bruce Weitz, Mae Whitman, Montel Williams, Trisha Yearwood, Ian Ziering and Barry Zito.

JAG has received three ASCAP awards for music, and has received Emmy Awards for costuming and editing as well as multiple Emmy Award nominations for musical score, costuming and cinematography. JAG has received the Jewish Image Award, a PRISM Award and the Red Cross Spirit Award. David James Elliott won a TV Guide Award for Favorite Actor in a Drama for the 1999-2000 season. That same year, Catherine Bell was honored with the Spirit of Hollywood Award for Television.

Donald P. Bellisario is the creator and executive producer of the series. Charles Floyd Johnson, Steven Zito and Dana Coen are co-executive producers. JAG is produced by Belisarius Productions, in association with Paramount Network Television.

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- That's right,Roxanne dont get your hopes up.I know many are not and I feel the same way.This article has been out last week I think but thanks for sharing. (NT) -- M, 13:20:33 04/12/05 Tue
- test (NT) -- ,,, 18:59:23 04/12/05 Tue
Music Video -- khh1, 00:36:44 04/11/05 Mon
Does anyone know the link for a H/M shipper music video set to 'How Far?' (which I think is by Martina McBride)
I've seen it once but can't find it again..
Hopefully music videos are still safe to discuss and download!

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- Hey there the link I had posted has long expired.When the new video has expired I can post 'How Far' again...however if you must see it..lol leave an email addy. (NT) -- Rabbcrazy, 10:31:28 04/11/05 Mon
- Hey there the link I had posted has long expired.When the new video has expired I can post 'How Far' again...however if you must see it..lol leave an email addy. http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=17NGTHZER1LP30XZU9UHGIN6MO (NT) -- Rabbcrazy, 10:31:49 04/11/05 Mon
  - sorry for confusion...that link works fine but its for my new shipper vid I will send you link for 'howfar' shortly..chow! (NT) -- Rabbcrazy, 13:44:09 04/12/05 Tue
- Inside for email.. and THANKS! -- khh1, 19:27:34 04/11/05 Mon
- Hi Rabbcrazy! Wasn't sure if that was the link to the music video, but it didn't lead anywhere...Help!! Thanks! (NT) -- khh1, 23:42:44 04/11/05 Mon

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