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Subject: PLEASE TAKE A LOOK part 1 Author: DR KAMRAN SATTAR BALOCH (PLEASE TAKE A LOOK PART 1) [Edit] Date Posted: 03:56:56 03/21/07 Wed DEAR SHAJAHAN, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK DEAR 1. NO WHERE IN QURAN ITS WRITTEN THAT FATHER SHOULD START BEATING HIS CHILDREN IF THEY DONT PRAY . 2. PROPHET MOHAMMED'S BIGGEST MIRACLE IS CONVEYING MESSAGE OF ALLAH ( I-E QURAN ) TO MANKIND , AND QURAN IS NOT LESS THAN A MIRACLE BECAUSE SINCE THE DAY OF ITS ORIGIN UPTO DAY THER NEVER HAVE BEEN A SINGLE WORD'S CHANGE MADE IN ITS SCRIPT, NONE OF ITS SAYINGS HAD BEEN PROVEN CONFLICTING TO MODERN ESTABLISHED SCIENCE, ITS DOESNT HVE ANY ERRORS ( IF U DONT AGREE, U WILL NEED TO PROVIDE ME WITH EVIDENCE ). 3. FOR EVERY MUSLIM ITS OBLIGATORY TO HAVE BELIEF THAT CHRIST WAS THE TRUE MESSENGER OF GOD, HE WAS BORN WITHOUT FATHER, AND WE MUSLIMS DO BELIEVE THAT MARRY WAS A VERY PIOUS WOMAN AS NO MAN TOUCHED HER . AND IN QURAN WE ALSO HAVE A DETAILED CHAPTER REGARDING MARRY AND THE NAME OF THAT CHAPTER IS surrah marriam ( translated Marry). in Bible u dont have such respect for marry i mean there in no chapter with the name of marry, in all bible editions, old and new testimant, luke, john mathew, etc, u can have marry's name but in Quran alone u will find name of marry 100 times more than that in bible. 4. u wrote trinity is like giving three names to one thing or its like taking three different pictures for one same person, ( it might be ur own perception, but in the bible, and christian active missionary have other description, )arguing that Christ ( may peace be upon him) is begotten son of GOD, u believe it or not , so if muslims asked them if CHRIST is begotten son than what u really want to say that GOD's begotten son( who himself was God , according to christians) was crusified on cross, for the sins of christians. i want to ask u , can u belive some one to be God, who DIED on cross, firstly if some one died , how could he be God, because God CAN NEVER DIE, SECONDLY, if christ may peace be upon him died for the sins of his followers than do u think now every christian is free to do whatever he /she wishes, because all sins are already paid on cross by Christ? and if u believe on christ dying on cross ( as all christians believe ) then please tell me how can be god so unjust that he is punishing some one on cross for the sins that he didnt do, isnt this rediculous. dear , here i can simply quote 1000 of reasons that prove that christianity is really hving many errors in their scripture and in practice , but point here is from ur side as u feel Quran and Islam has some basic errors, that's why i welcome you to post as many confusions as u hve and i will address them one by one God willing. and if u could spare few minutes to read few lines on the following links, and see ur self as why , the crhistians and other non muslims are embarassing islam every day, u will find the facts ur self , i hope, TEN MOST COMMON QUESTIONS ASKED BY CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES AGAINST ISLAM http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm QUERRIES ON ISLAM http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm http://www.islamreligion.com/ http://asimiqbal.2.googlepages.com/asim316.htm http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm "Why Do Priests & Preachers Enter ISLAM?" Many people ask me how a preacher or priest in Christianity can ever go to Islam, especially considering all the negative things that we hear about Islam and Muslims everyday. Some people are simply curious, while others take a profound exception to my "conversion" to Islam. Some have asked how I could have turned my back on Jesus, or if I truly understood the Holy Ghost and some even questioned whether or not I considered myself as "born again" or had ever really been saved at all. These are good questions to which I will offer answers to at the end of this writing. I would like to thank everyone for their interest and offer my humble story, God Willing. One very nice Christian gentleman asked me in email why and how I left Christianity for Islam. This is more or less a copy of the letter I sent to him. Introduction My name is Yusuf Estes now, but in years past my friends used to call me Skip. I have preached Christianity and worked in the entertainment and music industry since I was a boy in the 1950's. My father and I have established music stores, TV and radio programs and outdoor entertainment for fun (and profit). I was a music minister and even used a pony ride and entertained the children as "Skippy the Clown." Once, I have served as Delegate to the United Nations Peace Conference for Religious Leaders. Now I am a retired former Muslim Chaplain for United States Bureau of Prisons, Washington, DC. and I join alongside many American Muslims, working with Muslim student and youth organizations as well as schools for Muslim children. As such, I travel around the entire world lecturing and sharing the message of the Christ of the Quran in Islam. We hold dialogs and discussion groups with all faiths and enjoy the opportunity to work alongside rabbis, ministers, preachers and priests everywhere. Some of our work is in the institutional area, military, universities and prisons. Primarily our goal is to educate and communicate the correct message of Islam and who the Muslims really are. Although Islam has grown now to nearly tie Christianity as the largest of religions on earth, we see many of those who claim Islam as Muslims, that do not correctly understand nor properly represent the message of "Peace, Surrender and Obedience to God" [Arabic = 'Islam'] Dear me, I am afraid that I got a bit ahead of myself. I was trying to give a bit of background of our work perhaps to see if it would in anyway benefit those who may being going through what I experienced while trying to resolve some of the issues of Christianity. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How It Happened This may seem quite strange, while we perhaps may share a few different perspectives and concepts of God, Jesus, prophethood, sin and salvation. But you see, at one time I was in the same boat as many folks are today. Really, I was. Let me explain. Born A Strong Christian I was born into a very strong Christian family in the Midwest. Our family and their ancestors not only built the churches and schools across this land, but actually were the same ones who came here in the first place. While I was still in elementary we relocated in Houston, Texas in 1949 (I'm old). We attended church regularly and I was baptized at the age of 12 in Pasadena, Texas. As a teenager, I wanted to visit other churches to learn more of their teachings and beliefs. The Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, Charismatic movements, Nazarene, Church of Christ, Church of God, Church of God in Christ, Full Gospel, Agape, Catholic, Presbyterian and many more. I developed quite a thirst for the "Gospel" or as we say; "Good News." My research into religion did not stop with Christianity. Not at all. Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Metaphysics, native American beliefs were all a part of my studies. Just about the only one that I did not look into seriously was "Islam". Why? Good question. Music Minister Anyway, I became very interested in different types of music, especially Gospel and Classical. Because my whole family was religious and musical it followed that I too would begin my studies in both areas. All this set me for the logical position of Music Minister in many of the churches that I became affiliated with over the years. I started teaching keyboard instruments in 1960 and by 1963 owned my own studios in Laurel, Maryland, called "Estes Music Studios." Business Projects In Texas, Oklahoma and Florida Over the next 30 years my father and I worked together in many business projects. We had entertainment programs, shows and attractions. We opened piano and organ stores all the way from Texas and Oklahoma to Florida. We had earned millions of dollars during those years, but could not find the peace of mind that can only come through knowing the truth and finding the real plan of salvation. I'm sure you have asked yourself the question; "Why did God create me?" or "What is it that God wants me to do?" or "Exactly who is God, anyway?" "Why do we believe in 'original sin?" and "Why would the sons of Adam be forced to accept his 'sins' and then as a result be punished forever." But if you asked anyone these questions, they would probably tell you that you have to believe without asking, or that it is a 'mystery' and you shouldn't ask - "Just have faith, brother." Trinity Concept Strangely enough, the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible. And it has been a concern for religious scholars as early as 200 years after Jesus was raised up by Almighty God. I would ask preachers or ministers to give me some sort of an idea how 'one' could figure out to become 'three' or how God Himself, Who can do anything He Wills to do, cannot just forgive people's sins, but rather and had to become a man, come down on earth, be a human, and then take on the sins of all people; keeping in mind that all along He is still God of the whole universe and does as He Wills to do, both in and outside of the universe as we know it. They never seemed to be able to come up with anything other than opinions or strange analogies. Father - Ordained Non-Denominational Minister My father was very active in supporting church work, especially church school programs. He became and ordained minister in the 1970s. He and his wife (my stepmother) knew many of the TV evangelists and preachers and even visited Oral Roberts and helped in the building of the "Prayer Tower" in Tulsa, OK. They also were strong supporters of Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Fae Bakker, Jerry Fallwell, John Haggi and the biggest enemy to Islam in America, Pat Robertson. Distributing "Praise" Tapes for Jesus During the early 1980's my Dad and his wife worked together and were most active in recording "Praise" tapes and distributing them for free to people in retirement homes, hospitals and homes for the elderly. We were really "winning souls to the Lord - for Jesus" day after day. Met A Man From Egypt It was early in 1991 when my father began doing business with a man from Egypt and told me that he wanted me to meet him. This idea appealed to me when I thought about the idea of having an international flavor. You know, the pyramids, sphinx, Nile River and all that. He Was A "Mozlem" Hijackers; Kidnappers; Bombers, Terrorists - and who knows what else? Then my father mentioned that this man was a 'Moslem.' First, I hated the idea of meeting an "infidel, hijacker, kidnapper, bomber, terrorist, non-believer." Any normal person would be repulsed at the idea. I couldn't believe my ears. A 'Moslem?' No way! I reminded my dad of the various different things that we had heard about these people. Lies Against Muslims & Islam - They Told Us, Muslims: They don't even believe in God They worship a black box in the desert. And They kiss the ground five times a day. No Way! I Did Not Want to Meet Him! I did not want to meet this 'Moslem' man. No way! My father insisted that I meet him and reassured me that he was a very nice person. This was too much for me. Especially since the evangelists that we used to travel around with all hated Muslims and Islam very much. They even said things that were not true to make people afraid of Islam. So, why would I want anything to do with these people? Idea - "Change Him To Christian" Then an idea came to me, "We can change this man to Christian." So, I gave in and agreed to the meeting. But on my terms. Met Him With A Bible, Cross and Cap with "Jesus Is Lord!" on it. I agreed to meet him on a Sunday after church so we would be all prayed up and in good standing with the Lord. I would be carrying my Bible under my arm as usual. I would have my big shiny cross dangling and I would have on my cap which says: "Jesus is Lord" right across the front. My wife and two young daughters came along and we were ready for our first encounter with the 'Moslems.' Where Is He? When I came into the shop and asked my father where the 'Moslem' was, he pointed and said: "He's right over there." I was confused. That couldn't be the Moslem. No way. Turban & Beard? I'm looking for a huge man with flowing robes, a big turban on his head, a beard half way down his shirt and eyebrows that go all the way across his forehead with a sword or a bomb under his coat. No Turban - No Beard - [No Hair at All!] This man had no beard. In fact, he didn't even have any hair on his head at all. He was nearly bald. Best of all, he was very pleasant with a warm welcome and handshake. This didn't make sense. I thought they are terrorists and bombers. What is this all about? He Needs Jesus Never mind. I'll get right to work on this guy. He needs to be 'saved' in the 'Name of Jesus' and me and the Lord are going to do it. Introduction & Interrogation After a quick introduction, I asked him: "Do you believe in God?" He said: "Yes." - (Good!) Then I said: "Do you believe in Adam and Eve?" He said: "Yes." - (Very Good!) I said: "What about Abraham? You believe in him and how he tried to sacrifice his son for God?" He said: "Yes." - (Even better!) Then I asked: "What about Moses?" "Ten Commandments?" "Parting the Red Sea?" Again he said: "Yes." - (Better still!) Then: "What about the other prophets, David, Solomon and John the Baptist?" He said: "Yes." - (Great!) I asked: "Do you believe in the Bible?" Again, he said: "Yes." - (OK!) So, now it was time for the big question: "Do you believe in Jesus? That he was the Messiah (Christ) of God?" Again the said: "Yes." - (Fantastic!) Well now - "This was going to be easier than I had thought." He was just about ready to be baptized only he didn't know it. And I was just the one to do it, too. Shocking Knowledge - Muslims Believe in the Bible? One day in the Spring of 1991, I came to know that the Muslims believed in the Bible. I was shocked. How could this be? But that's not all, they believe in Jesus as: * A true messenger of God; * Prophet of God; * Miracle birth without human intervention; * He was the 'Christ' or Messiah as predicted in the Bible; * He is with God now and most important; * He will be coming back in the Last Days to lead the believers against the 'Antichrist.' After "winning souls to the Lord for Jesus" day after day, this would be a big achievement for me, to catch one of these 'Moslems' and 'convert' him to Christianity. Cup of Tea - Discuss Beliefs I asked him if he liked tea and he said he did. So off we went to a little shop in the mall to sit and talk about my favorite subject: Beliefs. While we sat in that little coffee shop for hours talking (I did most of the talking) I came to know that he was very nice, quiet and even a bit shy. He listened attentively to every word that I had to say and did not interrupt even one time. I liked this man's way and thought that he had definite potential to become a good Christian. - Little did I know the course of events about to unravel in front of my eyes. Agreed to Do Business First of all, I agreed with my father that we should do business with this man and even encouraged the idea of him traveling along with me on my business trips across the northern part of Texas. Day after day we would ride together and discuss various issues pertaining to different beliefs that people have. And along the way, I could of course interject some of my favorite radio programs of worship and praise to help bring the message to this poor individual. We talked about the concept of God; the meaning of life; the purpose of creation; the prophets and their mission and how God reveals His Will to mankind. We also shared a lot of personal experiences and ideas as well. Moved to Our Home One day I came to know that my friend Mohamed was going to move out of the home he have been sharing with a friend of his and was going to be living in the mosque for a time. I went to my dad and asked him if we could invite Mohamed to come out to our big home in the country and stay there with us. After all, he could share some of the work and some expenses and he would be right there when we were ready to go to out traveling around. My father agreed and Mohamed moved in. Continued Ministry & Preaching Of course I still would find time to visit my fellow preachers and evangelists around the state of Texas. One of them lived on the Texas -- Mexico border and another lived near lived Oklahoma border. One preacher liked to a huge wooden cross that was bigger than a car. He would carry it over his shoulder and drag the bottom on the ground and go down the road or freeway hauling these two beams formed in the shape of a cross. People would stop their cars and come over to him and ask him what was going on and he would give them pamphlets and booklets on Christianity. Preacher Has Heart Attack One day my friend with the cross had a heart attack and had to go to the Veterans Hospital where he stayed for quite a long while. I used to visit him in the hospital several times a week and I would take Mohamed with me with the hopes that we could all share together in the subject of beliefs and religions. My friend was not very impressed and it was obvious that he did not want to know anything about Islam. Then one day a man who was sharing the room with my friend came rolling into the room in his wheelchair. I went to him and asked him his name and he said that it didn't matter and when I asked him where he was from he said he was from the planet Jupiter. I thought about what he said and then began to wonder if I was in the cardiac ward or the mental ward. Man in Wheelchair - Needed the Lord I knew the man was lonely and depressed and needed someone in his life. So, I began to 'witness' to him about the Lord. I read to him out of the book of Jonah in the Old Testament. I shared the story of the prophet Jonah who had been sent by the Lord to call his people to the correct way. Jonah had left his people and escaped by boat to leave his city and head out to sea. A storm came up and the ship almost capsized and the people on board threw Jonah over the side of the ship. A whale came up to the surface and grabbed Jonah, swallowed him and then went down to the bottom of the sea, where he stayed for 3 days and 3 nights. Yet because of God's Mercy, He caused the whale to rise to the surface and then spit Jonah out to return back home safely to his city of Nineveh. And the idea was that we can't really run away from our problems because we always know what we have done. And what is more, God also always knows what we have done. Catholic Priest After sharing this story with the man in the wheel chair, he looked up and me and apologized. He told me he was sorry for his rude behavior and that he had experienced some real serious problems recently. Then he said that he wanted to confess something to me. And I said that I was not a Catholic priest and I don't handle confessions. He replied back to me that he knew that. In fact, he said: "I am a Catholic priest." I was shocked. Here I had been trying to preach Christianity to a priest. What in the world was happening here? Priest in Latin America The priest began to share his story of being a missionary for the church for over 12 years to south and Central America and Mexico and even in New York's 'Hell's Kitchen.' When he was released from the hospital he needed a place to go to recover and rather than let him go to stay with a Catholic family, I told my dad that we should invite him to come out and live with us in the country along with our families and Mohamed. It was agreed by all that he would so, he moved out right away. Priests Must Study ISLAM? - YES! During the trip out to our home, I talked with the priest about some of the concepts of beliefs in Islam and to my surprise he agreed and then shared even more about this with me. I was shocked when he told me that Catholic priests actually study Islam and some even carry doctors degrees in this subject. This was all very enlightening to me. But there was still a lot more to come. Different Versions of the Bible After settling in, we all began to gather around the kitchen table after dinner every night to discuss religion. My father would bring his King James Version of the Bible, I would bring out my Revised Standard Version of the Bible, my wife had another version of the Bible (maybe something like Jimmy Swaggart's 'Good News For Modern Man." The priest of course, had the Catholic Bible which has 7 more books in it that the Protestant Bible. So we spent more time talking about which Bible was the right one or the most correct one, than we did trying to convince Mohamed about becoming a Christian. Quran Has Only ONE Version - In Arabic - And Still Exists At one point I recall asking him about the Quran and how many versions of it there were in the last 1,400 years. He told me that there was only ONE QURAN. And that it had never been changed. Yet he let me know that the Quran had been memorized by hundreds of thousands of people, in it's entirety and were scattered about the earth in many different countries. Over the centuries since the Quran was revealed millions have memorized it completely and have taught it to others who have memorized it completely, from cover to cover, letter perfect without mistakes. Today, over 9 million Muslims have memorized the entire Quran from cover to cover. How Could This Be? This did not seem possible to me. After all, the original languages of the Bible have all been dead languages for centuries and the documents themselves have been lost in their originals for hundreds and thousands of years. So, how could it be that something like this could be so easy to preserve and to recite from cover to cover. Priest Goes to the Mosque Anyway, one day the priest asked the Mohamed if he might accompany him to the mosque to see what it was like there. They came back talking about their experience there and we could not wait to ask the priest what it was like and what all types of ceremonies they performed. He said they didn't really 'do' anything. They just came and prayed and left. I said: "They left? Without any speeches or singing?" He said that was right. Priest Enters Islam! A few more days went by and the Catholic priest asked Mohamed if he might join him again for a trip to the mosque which they did. But this time it was different. They did not come back for a very long time. It became dark and we worried that something might have happened to them. Finally they arrived and when they came in the door I immediately recognized Mohamed, but who was this alongside of him? Someone wearing a white robe and a white cap. Hold on a minute! It was the priest. I said to him: "Pete? -- Did you become a 'Moslem?' He said that he had entered into Islam that very day. THE PRIEST BECAME A MUSLIM!! What next? (You'll see). My Wife Announces Her Islam! So, I went upstairs to think things over a bit and began to talk to my wife about the whole subject. She then told me that she too was going to enter into Islam, because she knew it was the truth. Shocked! I was really shocked now. I went downstairs and woke up Mohamed and asked him to come outside with me for a discussion. We walked and talked that whole night through. Truth Had Come! By the time he was ready to pray Fajr (the morning prayer of the Muslims) I knew that the truth had come at last and now it was up to me to do my part. I went out back behind my father's house and found an old piece of plywood lying under an overhang and right there I put my head down on the ground facing the direction that the Muslims pray five times a day. Guide Me! O God! Guide Me! Now then in that position, with my body stretched out on the plywood and my head on the ground, I asked: "O God. If you are there, guide me, guide me." Sign Inside of Me And then after a while I raised up my head and I noticed something. No, I didn't see birds or angels coming out of the sky nor did I hear voices or music, nor did I see bright lights and flashes. What I did notice was a change inside of me. I was aware now more than ever before that it was time for me to stop any lying and doing anything sneaky. It was time that I really work at being an honest and upright man. I knew now what I had to do. Wash Away the "OLD" So I went upstairs and took a shower with the distinct idea that I was 'washing' away the sinful old person that I had become over the years. And I was now coming into a new, fresh life. A life based on truth and proof. - And Become New! Around 11:00 A.M. that morning, I stood before two witnesses, one the ex-priest, formerly known as Father Peter Jacob's, and the other Mohamed Abel Rehman and announced my 'shahadah' (open testimony to the Oneness of God and the prophethood of Muhammad, peace be upon him). "I bear witness, there is no deity to worship, except Almighty Allah, alone and He has no partners and I bear witness that Mohammad is His messenger and servant." My Wife Was Next A few minutes later, my wife follow along and gave the same testimony. But hers was in front of 3 witnesses (me being the third). Then My Father My father was a bit more reserved on the subject and waited a few more months before he made his shahadah (public testimony). But he did finally commit to Islam and began offering prayers right along with me and the other Muslims in the local masjid (mosque). Children Too! The children were taken out of the Christian school and placed in Muslim schools. And now ten years later, they are memorizing much of the Quran and the teachings of Islam. Father's Wife (Stepmother) Next My father's wife finally acknowledged, before she died, that Jesus could not be a son of God and that he must have been a mighty prophet of God, but not God. She passed away within a few months of this statement at age 86. May Allah accept her statement of faith, ameen. Houseful of New Muslims - What's Next? Now stop and think. A whole entire household of people from varying backgrounds and ethnic groups coming together in truth to learn how to know and worship the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Think. A Catholic priest; a minister of music and preacher of the Gospel; an ordained minister and builder of Christian schools; and the children, even a great-grandmother - they all come into Islam! His Mercy and Guidance Only by His Mercy were we all guided to see the real truth of Islam, by removing the coverings over our ears and the blinders on our eyes, no longer having seals over our hearts - He was Guiding us now. Amazing Story - Family and Friends Entering Islam - From One Man If I were to stop right here, I'm sure that you would have to admit that at least, this is an amazing story, right? After all, three religious leaders of three separate denominations all going into one very opposite belief at the same time and then soon after the rest of the household. More? - Yes! Baptist Seminary Student Reads Quran - Accepts Islam But that is not all. There is more! The same year, while I was in Grand Prairie, Texas (near Dallas) I met a Baptist seminary student from Tennessee named Joe, who also came to Islam after reading the Holy Quran while in BAPTIST SEMINARY COLLEGE! More? Yes. Catholic Priest Loves Islam - But Needs His Job! There are others as well. I recall the case of the Catholic priest in a college town who talked about the good things in Islam so much that I was forced to ask him why he didn't enter Islam. He replied: "What? And loose my job?" - His name is Father John and we still pray for Allah to Guide Him. Another Catholic Priest Makes Shahadah The very next year I met a former Catholic priest who had been a missionary for 8 years in Africa. He learned about Islam while he was there and entered into Islam. He then changed his name to Omar and moved to Dallas Texas. Any more? Again - Yes! Orthodox Arch Bishop leaves church for Islam Two years later, while in San Antonio, Texas I was introduced to a former Arch Bishop of the Orthodox Church of Russia who learned about Islam and gave up his position to enter Islam. Daughter of Hindu Pundit (Religious Leader) - Accepts Islam - Helping thousands to Islam I met a woman in New York who wanted to make our CDs about "What Is Islam?" After giving her permission several years ago, I have learned she has produced and distributed over 600 thousand of these to the non-Muslims in America. May Allah reward her and keep her strong in her efforts, ameen. Hundreds - Thousands - Still Coming And since my own entrance into Islam and becoming a chaplain to the Muslims throughout the country and around the world, I have encountered many more individuals who were leaders, teachers and scholars in other religions who learned about Islam and entered into it. They came from Hindus, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Greek and Russian Orthodox, Coptic Christians from Egypt, non-denominational churches and even scientists who had been atheists. Why? Good question. The combination always seems to be the same; people are sincerely seeking the truth and are willing to put their different prejudices and biases out of their minds and begin to ask God for His Guidance in their lives. So, now you have the introduction to the story of my coming into Islam and becoming Muslim. There is more on the Internet about this story and there are more pictures there as well. Please take the time to visit it and then please take the time to email me and let us come together to share in all truths based on proofs for understanding our origins and our purpose and goals in this life and the Next Life. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yusuf Estes Chaplain Yusuf Estes DR KAMRAN SATTAR BALOCH drkamransattar@yahoo.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ] Replies: Re: PLEASE TAKE A LOOK part 1 -- ServantOfGod, 11:33:02 06/04/07 Mon Re: PLEASE TAKE A LOOK part 1 -- ServantOfGod, 11:58:42 06/04/07 Mon Re: PLEASE TAKE A LOOK part 1 -- Ishrat Adil (reply), 20:51:24 07/07/08 Mon

Subject: Re: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions Author: umer ali siddiqui (agree) [Edit] Date Posted: 06:36:29 04/12/08 Sat >>>>> Assalamoalikum i want to know that in Islam , politics is there ao not, 2) what do you recommend about Mullana Moudodi, He was RIGHT or WRONG. 3) jihade is crotical accrodinhn to Asia ;s Situition. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Haxx0r3d Author: Master of Serials [Edit] Date Posted: 09:12:05 06/17/07 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] Replies: Re: Haxx0r3d -- asd (asdf), 19:10:38 03/19/08 Wed Re: Haxx0r3d -- asdf (adsf), 19:12:05 03/19/08 Wed SysReboot -- asdf (adf), 19:13:22 03/19/08 Wed

Subject: Re: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions Author: kooke [Edit] Date Posted: 00:26:31 03/19/08 Wed some people celeperate for the birth of prophet mahammed peace be apone him do we need to do it or we leave it [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Re: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions Author: adnan (nil) [Edit] Date Posted: 02:51:34 12/20/07 Thu Aslam o alakum! My question is,IS portrait or taking picture allow in Islam [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Wearing sarees Author: Zeb Gul [Edit] Date Posted: 20:03:39 12/19/07 Wed Aslam O Alakum ! Are women allowed to wear Indian sarees,keeping strictly in mind the Islamic dress code ,that is their body is completely covered,the form and shape of their body is completely concealed and they wear head scarves? Can they also work in an office environment like that? Thank you [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Re: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions Author: Muhammed Nazeer Halaldeen [Edit] Date Posted: 09:03:32 12/19/07 Wed >>>>>some one told me there is a contradiction in the quran, in the subject of Aadh, God said in one place he destory them by roaring wind in 8 days, but in another place it says, God destroy them, by A Day of roaring wind to destory them. could you pls explain this. >>>>>God does not love everyone. Its illogical. Why must >>>>>he? Because u say he has to? Why must god take ur >>>sins >>>>>and forgive them? Ur god is limited, If I pray to >>him >>>>>my sins are forgiven, he is more like a SLAVE then >a >>>>>god. He is a machine that takes ur sins and >converts >>>>>them into good deeds. Then what is the purpose of >>>>hell? >>>>> >>>>>"Hell" There is a subject, >>>>>Perhaps its ur own insecurities that make u create >a >>>>>demy god. Who loves and forgives ur sins. After all >>>in >>>>>the past the churches used to take money to send u >>to >>>>>heaven, LOL. That was a good one. God only forgives >>>>>those he chooses, we pray to him so our sins can be >>>>>forgiven, but there is no rule that GOD has to >>>forgive >>>>>my or ur sins. As same there is no rule that GOD >has >>>>>to love everyone. >>>>> >>>>>I understand u have a fear of HELL, U want a god >who >>>>>well forgive, who well love u no matter what? We >>>would >>>>>all like that. But GOD is logical, he is not >>>>>Illogical, He cant forgive everyone, nor does he >>have >>>>>to. Gods love does not have be shown through love, >>it >>>>>has to be shown through rezone. >>>>> >>>>>If u told me a Judge said I have to go to prison >for >>>>>robbery, but a the rapist can go free. I would ask >>>>>what kind of judgment is this. >>>>> >>>>>U should perhaps ask ur self this same question! Is >>a >>>>>loving god a propaganda or is it illogical? God can >>>>>love, but love has to be within a logical limit. >>>>> >>>>>EX. God Immortal <--> Jesus Mortal Illogical, If >god >>>>>takes the form of a Human, God is Immortal, He cant >>>>>take the form of a Mortal Man. Even God has limits. >>U >>>>>might not believe it, but its logical. Perhaps god >>>>>himself knows more then me about his limits. But >>>logic >>>>>is what man has to determine truth, and logic what >>is >>>>>best to be used. >>>>> >>>>>I ask u this last question so u may be able to >>expend >>>>>on it ur self! And see if ur god is logical or >mine. >>>>> >>>>>Question: >>>>> >>>>>Can god make something he can’t destroy? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>P.S. I am no ware near the most knowledgably about >>>>>Islam. Infect I am a noob. But I hope somehow I can >>>>>help in expending ur knowledge about Islam. >>>>> >>>>>Also there is a great Islamic scholar named Dr. >>Zakir >>>>>Naike. He is very good at explaining these things, >>>and >>>>>I posted a few things I picked up form him. Perhaps >>>he >>>>>has a website. U should try to get his videos and >do >>>a >>>>>analysis of them. Perhaps u can learn a few things. >>>:) >>>>> >>>>>Sallam, ds is amshar here..i wanna know...whether >it is allowed in islam to fall in love ..prior to >marriage.. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Re: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions Author: muhammad nisar [Edit] Date Posted: 21:51:48 11/21/07 Wed dear sir salam. please explain me why human came into world i means that for what purpose. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Re: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions Author: iftikhar (no think) [Edit] Date Posted: 00:38:08 11/13/07 Tue >>>>>> >>>>>>God does not love everyone. Its illogical. Why >must >>>>>>he? Because u say he has to? Why must god take ur >>>>sins >>>>>>and forgive them? Ur god is limited, If I pray to >>>him >>>>>>my sins are forgiven, he is more like a SLAVE then >>a >>>>>>god. He is a machine that takes ur sins and >>converts >>>>>>them into good deeds. Then what is the purpose of >>>>>hell? >>>>>> >>>>>>"Hell" There is a subject, >>>>>>Perhaps its ur own insecurities that make u create >>a >>>>>>demy god. Who loves and forgives ur sins. After >all >>>>in >>>>>>the past the churches used to take money to send u >>>to >>>>>>heaven, LOL. That was a good one. God only >forgives >>>>>>those he chooses, we pray to him so our sins can >be >>>>>>forgiven, but there is no rule that GOD has to >>>>forgive >>>>>>my or ur sins. As same there is no rule that GOD >>has >>>>>>to love everyone. >>>>>> >>>>>>I understand u have a fear of HELL, U want a god >>who >>>>>>well forgive, who well love u no matter what? We >>>>would >>>>>>all like that. But GOD is logical, he is not >>>>>>Illogical, He cant forgive everyone, nor does he >>>have >>>>>>to. Gods love does not have be shown through love, >>>it >>>>>>has to be shown through rezone. >>>>>> >>>>>>If u told me a Judge said I have to go to prison >>for >>>>>>robbery, but a the rapist can go free. I would ask >>>>>>what kind of judgment is this. >>>>>> >>>>>>U should perhaps ask ur self this same question! >Is >>>a >>>>>>loving god a propaganda or is it illogical? God >can >>>>>>love, but love has to be within a logical limit. >>>>>> >>>>>>EX. God Immortal <--> Jesus Mortal Illogical, If >>god >>>>>>takes the form of a Human, God is Immortal, He >cant >>>>>>take the form of a Mortal Man. Even God has >limits. >>>U >>>>>>might not believe it, but its logical. Perhaps god >>>>>>himself knows more then me about his limits. But >>>>logic >>>>>>is what man has to determine truth, and logic what >>>is >>>>>>best to be used. >>>>>> >>>>>>I ask u this last question so u may be able to >>>expend >>>>>>on it ur self! And see if ur god is logical or >>mine. >>>>>> >>>>>>Question: >>>>>> >>>>>>Can god make something he can’t destroy? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>P.S. I am no ware near the most knowledgably about >>>>>>Islam. Infect I am a noob. But I hope somehow I >can >>>>>>help in expending ur knowledge about Islam. >>>>>> >>>>>>Also there is a great Islamic scholar named Dr. >>>Zakir >>>>>>Naike. He is very good at explaining these things, >>>>and >>>>>>I posted a few things I picked up form him. >Perhaps >>>>he >>>>>>has a website. U should try to get his videos and >>do >>>>a >>>>>>analysis of them. Perhaps u can learn a few >things. >>>>:) >>>>>> >>>>>>Sallam, ds is amshar here..i wanna know...whether >>it is allowed in islam to fall in love ..prior to >>marriage.. > >asalamoealikum.... i hav a question... whts da >similarities between Islam and Christianity... >could u explain ..plz thanks.. boss plzz help me bank's job is true or not? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Re: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions Author: ALI RIZWAN (Normal) [Edit] Date Posted: 01:00:01 10/27/07 Sat >>>>>Salaam.Is "listining music" allow in Islam? >>>>>God does not love everyone. Its illogical. Why must >>>>>he? Because u say he has to? Why must god take ur >>>sins >>>>>and forgive them? Ur god is limited, If I pray to >>him >>>>>my sins are forgiven, he is more like a SLAVE then >a >>>>>god. He is a machine that takes ur sins and >converts >>>>>them into good deeds. Then what is the purpose of >>>>hell? >>>>> >>>>>"Hell" There is a subject, >>>>>Perhaps its ur own insecurities that make u create >a >>>>>demy god. Who loves and forgives ur sins. After all >>>in >>>>>the past the churches used to take money to send u >>to >>>>>heaven, LOL. That was a good one. God only forgives >>>>>those he chooses, we pray to him so our sins can be >>>>>forgiven, but there is no rule that GOD has to >>>forgive >>>>>my or ur sins. As same there is no rule that GOD >has >>>>>to love everyone. >>>>> >>>>>I understand u have a fear of HELL, U want a god >who >>>>>well forgive, who well love u no matter what? We >>>would >>>>>all like that. But GOD is logical, he is not >>>>>Illogical, He cant forgive everyone, nor does he >>have >>>>>to. Gods love does not have be shown through love, >>it >>>>>has to be shown through rezone. >>>>> >>>>>If u told me a Judge said I have to go to prison >for >>>>>robbery, but a the rapist can go free. I would ask >>>>>what kind of judgment is this. >>>>> >>>>>U should perhaps ask ur self this same question! Is >>a >>>>>loving god a propaganda or is it illogical? God can >>>>>love, but love has to be within a logical limit. >>>>> >>>>>EX. God Immortal <--> Jesus Mortal Illogical, If >god >>>>>takes the form of a Human, God is Immortal, He cant >>>>>take the form of a Mortal Man. Even God has limits. >>U >>>>>might not believe it, but its logical. Perhaps god >>>>>himself knows more then me about his limits. But >>>logic >>>>>is what man has to determine truth, and logic what >>is >>>>>best to be used. >>>>> >>>>>I ask u this last question so u may be able to >>expend >>>>>on it ur self! And see if ur god is logical or >mine. >>>>> >>>>>Question: >>>>> >>>>>Can god make something he can’t destroy? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>P.S. I am no ware near the most knowledgably about >>>>>Islam. Infect I am a noob. But I hope somehow I can >>>>>help in expending ur knowledge about Islam. >>>>> >>>>>Also there is a great Islamic scholar named Dr. >>Zakir >>>>>Naike. He is very good at explaining these things, >>>and >>>>>I posted a few things I picked up form him. Perhaps >>>he >>>>>has a website. U should try to get his videos and >do >>>a >>>>>analysis of them. Perhaps u can learn a few things. >>>:) >>>>> >>>>>Sallam, ds is amshar here..i wanna know...whether >it is allowed in islam to fall in love ..prior to >marriage.. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: ISLAM IS THE ENEMY Author: Pahu [Edit] Date Posted: 07:34:36 09/05/07 Wed ISLAM IS THE ENEMY A Moment For Truth Dave Hunt America awakened September 11 to appalling scenes on TV of passenger planes deliberately crashing into the towers of the World Trade Center and into the Pentagon. Stunned disbelief gave way to the question, who could so carefully plan and efficiently execute such incredibly inhumane destruction and slaughter? What cause could so powerfully motivate educated and trained individuals to sacrifice their own lives and the lives of so many total strangers in this manner? In the minds of civilized people these men were unbelievable fanatics. But were they? Could one call the spiritual leader of an entire major country a "fanatic," a man universally recognized as properly representing his religion? Who would know his religion better than the spiritual leader himself? Such was Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini when he declared, "The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah." Is that fanaticism? And could you call the founder of a major world religion a fanatic? Muhammad, who with his followers slaughtered thousands in establishing and spreading Islam, said of Muslims, "Who relinquishes his faith, kill him....I have been ordered by Allah to fight with people till they testify there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger." Was Muhammad a fanatic? Are they fanatics who obey him today in exacting the death penalty upon Muslims (as in Afghanistan, the Arab Emirates, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan) who for the sake of conscience convert to another religion? Do we need a new definition of "fanatic"? There is a certain hypocrisy in the new outrage with which America and the world now view terrorism. History's bloodiest, most vicious and successful terrorist, Yasser Arafat, has been given the Nobel Peace Prize and embraced as a world statesman. He is proof to would-be imitators that terrorism pays big. The United Nations, European Union, and countless world political and religious leaders have sided with him in his terrorism against Israel. Arafat and his PLO held the record for the largest hijacking (four aircraft in a single operation)—which has just been equaled, the greatest number of hostages held at one time (300), the greatest number of people shot at an airport, the largest ransom collected ($5 million paid by Lufthansa), the greatest variety of targets (40 civilian passenger aircraft, five passenger ships, 30 embassies or diplomatic ministries plus innumerable fuel depots and factories), etc. Instead of being tried by an international tribunal as were the Nazi and Serbian leadership, Arafat's bloody exploits gained for him acceptance as a leader for peace! In his brief speech to the nation the morning of the 12th, President Bush declared that the attacks on New York and Washington, D.C. were "acts of war." Indeed, they were—jihad ("holy war"). He said that "freedom and democracy are under attack [but] we will not allow this enemy to win the war by...restricting our freedoms." Is it a mere coincidence that the freedom of speech, religion, the press, and of vote and conscience which we hold so dear in America are suppressed in every Muslim country? Who dares to make the obvious connection between this declaration of war against America, and the declaration of war against the entire world by Muhammad in the seventh century; a part of Islam ever since? Since its inception, jihad has been waged by Islamic warriors to spread that religion of violence and hatred. Islam does not change. Rioting Muslim mobs invariably chant in their "fanaticism," "Allah is great! Allah is great!" In the wake of this terrible act of "holy war," our President and Congressional leaders referred to God numerous times and invoked His blessing in tracking down the perpetrators of this infamous deed. The God of the Bible to whom they referred is not Allah, the god of Islam, whom the attacking terrorists served so faithfully! We may be certain that the hijackers were not Israelis or evangelical Christians. Never! The simple but horrible fact is that only the religion of Islam could supply the motivation for what they did. Why are Muslims responsible for most terrorism in the world today? There is a definitive and foundational reason. It would be extremely naive to imagine that terrorists who are willing to blow themselves up in Israel or to crash a plane at the loss of their own and many other lives do so for some commendable humanitarian cause. The courage comes solely from a unique doctrine of Islam. Abu-Bakr, the first Caliph to succeed Muhammad (and one of the few to whom Muhammad promised Paradise without martyrdom), declared that even if he had one foot in Paradise he could not trust Allah to let him in. The only sure way in Islam of achieving Paradise is to sacrifice one's life in jihad. Yes, suicide is forbidden as self-murder. But to sacrifice one's life in killing infidels carries the highest reward. And what reward does Paradise bring to the jihad martyr? He is promised a palace of pearls in which are 70 mansions; inside each mansion are 70 houses and in each house a bed on which are 70 sheets and on each sheet a beautiful virgin. He is assured that he will have the appetite and strength of 100 men for food and sex. This is the fantastic dream that is fed to Muslim boys from earliest childhood. This motivation alone gives the reckless courage and determination to train and execute terrorist deeds in which they sacrifice their lives in bringing death and destruction to "the enemies of Allah." America has been called "the Great Satan" by Muslim leaders around the world. Thus the strike at America was a strike for Allah against his chief enemy. Palestinians danced in the streets to celebrate the destruction in America, shouting victory to Allah. The day before the attack CNN showed routine footage of third grade children in a West Bank school chanting death to Israel. Only indoctrination into Islam makes possible such incredible scenes and the terrorism they celebrate. Though people of good will naturally recoil from attaching blame to a major world religion itself, we can no longer afford such sentimentality. No longer dare we allow Islam to escape its undeniable responsibility. Yet former President Bush called Islam a peace-loving religion. The devastating acts of war by Islamic terrorists against the United States were greeted by naive statements from well-intentioned government leaders to the effect that we must distinguish between terrorism perpetrated by extremist groups and Islam itself which is peaceful. Yet there are more than 100 verses in the Qur'an advocating the use of violence to spread Islam. In the Qur'an, Allah commands Muslims, "Take not the Jews and Christians as friends....Slay the idolaters [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them.... Fight against such...as believe not in Allah..." (Surah 5:51; 9:5,29,41, etc..). Though most Muslims would shrink from obeying such commands, this is official Islam and it cannot change without admitting that Muhammad was a false prophet and murderer. Several years ago Steven Emerson produced for PBS an excellent video titled Jihad In America. Its cameras went directly inside cell groups associated with mosques here in America where eager young Muslims were being recruited for jihad against the United States. Muslim leaders are shown giving speeches about bringing America to its knees through terrorism and making cold-blooded statements such as the following from Fayiz Azzam in Brooklyn in1989: "Blood must flow, there must be widows, orphans. Hands and limbs must be severed and limbs and blood must be spread everywhere in order that Allah's religion stand on its feet!" Yes, Allah's religion is the motivation! In Kansas, in 1988, another leader recruiting Islamic holy warriors against the United States exults, "O, brothers! After Afghanistan [where Muslim "freedom fighters," aided by the CIA, drove out the Soviets and installed the brutal Taliban regime] nothing in the world is impossible for us any more! There are no superpowers or minipowers. What matters is will power that springs from our religious belief!" Yes, religious belief, the particular belief of Islam, is the only motivation capable of inspiring such "fanaticism." At the beginning of the video, Emerson, who had tracked international terrorism for the prior ten years, reported on what he called "networks of Islamic extremists" inside the US. He accurately warned that "for these militants jihad is a holy war, an armed struggle to defeat nonbelievers, or infidels, and their ultimate goal is to establish an Islamic [worldwide] empire." Yet he later backpedaled into the incredible statement that "Islam as a religion does not condone violence; the radicals represent only themselves—an extremist and violent fringe..." That is simply not true. It is not because men are Arabs or extremists that they turn to terrorism, but because they are devout Muslims. Yet who will face this obvious fact? Hatred of Israel and the call to destroy America for supporting her are also underlying themes of the terrorists seen in the documentary. Another Muslim leader in the US declares that Washington's Capitol Hill is "Zionist-occupied territory," that the Jews control Congress, and that the United States deserves what it gets so long as it continues to support Israel. Referring repeatedly to "Islamic holy warriors," the video documented as clearly as could be done that Islam is the driving force behind terrorism. Astonishingly, however, the narrator and counter-terrorism experts being interviewed repeatedly declared that Islam was not to be blamed but only the "fanaticism" of certain individuals. For example, Paul Bremer, former Ambassador-at-Large for counter-terrorism for the State Department, said it is "important to make a distinction...the vast majority of Muslims and Arabs are peace loving." It is true that the vast majority of Muslims are peace loving and would protest that they support terrorism. Our sympathy is with them. However, should they not ask themselves why they follow a religion founded upon violence, which from its very inception has been spread with the sword? Under Muhammad's leadership in the seventh century, thousands of Arabs (and many Jews and Christians) in the Arabian Peninsula were killed by Islam's fierce "holy warriors" to force that religion upon the Arab world. Upon Muhammad's death, most Arabians abandoned Islam, imagining that they were free at last. Swiftly, tens of thousands of Arabs were slaughtered in the Wars of Apostasy, which forced Arabia back under Allah. From that base Islam was spread everywhere with the sword. On radio and TV, during that black Tuesday in September, which we can never forget, we were repeatedly told by well-intentioned government officials that we must be careful not to blame Islam for what a few fanatics had done. In fact, terrorists act in direct obedience to Muhammad, the Qur'an, Allah and Islam. While nominal Muslims reject the idea, all Islamic scholars agree that it is the religious duty of every Muslim to use violence whenever possible to spread Islam until it has taken over the world. We need to face some simple questions: Is not the attempt to force them into Islam the cause of the cruel enslavement, torture and slaughter of millions in southern Sudan? Is not Islam the driving force behind the murderous and destructive riots against Christians in Nigeria, Indonesia, Pakistan and elsewhere? Is it not the enforcement of Islamic law that makes the Taliban deny all civil rights to those under its control in Afghanistan? And what is it but Islam that unites the otherwise divided Arab world in an implacable and unreasoning hatred against Israel? No Arab map in the world admits Israel's existence. It is only Islam's claim that Ishmael, not Isaac, was the son of promise and that the Holy Land belongs to them, which unites Arabs in the "fanatical" determination to destroy the Jews. There is a natural reluctance to accept any statement which seems to be a prejudiced attack upon a world religion. It is the fear of such prejudice which prevents the world from facing the truth. But is it prejudice to state the plain facts? No, it is not—but it is difficult to face the truth that Islam itself is a religion of violence and that those who practice it are not extremists and fanatics in the ordinary sense of those words, but sincere followers of Muhammad. The world has sided with Islam in its false claim to the land of Israel, which is now inaccurately called Palestine. This Promised Land, given to Israel by the God of the Bible, has been occupied by Jews continuously for the last 3,000 years, and they are the only people to have done so. In recognition of that undeniable historic fact, all of "Palestine" was to be given to the Jews for a national homeland by a 1917 ruling of the League of Nations. But steadily the Jews were betrayed by Britain's administration of this mandate (and the demise of the British Empire can be dated from that betrayal); the land was parceled out to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. Israel is now accused of "occupying" land, which actually has been theirs for 3,000 years. The come-lately "Palestinians" are sustained by the world in the lie that they are the original owners of this land. As a result, terrorism is perpetrated not only against Israel but now in this latest act against the United States to apply pressure to force Israel out of its rightful land and to spread Islam around the world. We have arrived at a defining moment when truth could triumph if the world would recognize that terrorists are not "fanatics" but devout fundamentalist Muslims who are earnestly following their religion. This recognition could bring fresh sympathy for Muslims of all nationalities who are tragically trapped in that system. The expose of the truth could embarrass Muslim nations into opening the Islamic Curtain and allowing freedom to enter their borders. It could be a new day of open evangelism for the world where not force but love and reason permit each person to determine the faith he would embrace from his heart. Let us pray to that end. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Re: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions Author: Muhammad Fahran (most impressive personality) [Edit] Date Posted: 23:49:37 09/04/07 Tue >>>>>Devial know every thing about the day of judgement correctly more then us even then why dont it takes forgiveness from Allah where as we just having a blind belive >>>>>God does not love everyone. Its illogical. Why must >>>>>he? Because u say he has to? Why must god take ur >>>sins >>>>>and forgive them? Ur god is limited, If I pray to >>him >>>>>my sins are forgiven, he is more like a SLAVE then >a >>>>>god. He is a machine that takes ur sins and >converts >>>>>them into good deeds. Then what is the purpose of >>>>hell? >>>>> >>>>>"Hell" There is a subject, >>>>>Perhaps its ur own insecurities that make u create >a >>>>>demy god. Who loves and forgives ur sins. After all >>>in >>>>>the past the churches used to take money to send u >>to >>>>>heaven, LOL. That was a good one. God only forgives >>>>>those he chooses, we pray to him so our sins can be >>>>>forgiven, but there is no rule that GOD has to >>>forgive >>>>>my or ur sins. As same there is no rule that GOD >has >>>>>to love everyone. >>>>> >>>>>I understand u have a fear of HELL, U want a god >who >>>>>well forgive, who well love u no matter what? We >>>would >>>>>all like that. But GOD is logical, he is not >>>>>Illogical, He cant forgive everyone, nor does he >>have >>>>>to. Gods love does not have be shown through love, >>it >>>>>has to be shown through rezone. >>>>> >>>>>If u told me a Judge said I have to go to prison >for >>>>>robbery, but a the rapist can go free. I would ask >>>>>what kind of judgment is this. >>>>> >>>>>U should perhaps ask ur self this same question! Is >>a >>>>>loving god a propaganda or is it illogical? God can >>>>>love, but love has to be within a logical limit. >>>>> >>>>>EX. God Immortal <--> Jesus Mortal Illogical, If >god >>>>>takes the form of a Human, God is Immortal, He cant >>>>>take the form of a Mortal Man. Even God has limits. >>U >>>>>might not believe it, but its logical. Perhaps god >>>>>himself knows more then me about his limits. But >>>logic >>>>>is what man has to determine truth, and logic what >>is >>>>>best to be used. >>>>> >>>>>I ask u this last question so u may be able to >>expend >>>>>on it ur self! And see if ur god is logical or >mine. >>>>> >>>>>Question: >>>>> >>>>>Can god make something he can’t destroy? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>P.S. I am no ware near the most knowledgably about >>>>>Islam. Infect I am a noob. But I hope somehow I can >>>>>help in expending ur knowledge about Islam. >>>>> >>>>>Also there is a great Islamic scholar named Dr. >>Zakir >>>>>Naike. He is very good at explaining these things, >>>and >>>>>I posted a few things I picked up form him. Perhaps >>>he >>>>>has a website. U should try to get his videos and >do >>>a >>>>>analysis of them. Perhaps u can learn a few things. >>>:) >>>>> >>>>>Sallam, ds is amshar here..i wanna know...whether >it is allowed in islam to fall in love ..prior to >marriage.. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions Author: saima (problem) [Edit] Date Posted: 10:41:16 08/05/07 Sun aoa sir, iwant toask about aproblem of min >>>>problem:iwas spirtually sick.i took treatment but till now not well.during my treatment and after wards i have attack of forgetness.someone told me that codition is called 'haletay bina' wellduring that condition my brother make my nikkaha with a boy with whom ihave an affair.that was shari nikkah and no mollana want to do it.in that scene my brother took aboy from jameya and that boy said in urdu that in the appearensce of these two and allaha i accepted you my wife.he and me agreed,although i don't want at that time. >>question1.is the nikkah happened? my 2'nd problem is this after this we had relation of husband and wife seretly.as i'm still not well during some absence i demand divorce and he give me two divorces with interval of two hour,me also having days at that time.now i want to ask >>question2;what to do in this situation we have tomarry again?as we are still in contact. >>question3:I NEED HELP ABOUT MY SPIRTUAL PROBLEM.PLZ TELL ME HOW TO CONTACT YOU???? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] Replies: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions -- saima (problem), 10:44:09 08/05/07 Sun

Subject: Re: contact to Dr. Zakir Naike to ask different questions Author: yasir (job) [Edit] Date Posted: 12:41:06 07/08/07 Sun bhi jan A-O-M sir, MAn app sy puchna ya chatha hwon. ki What is defrent of ISLAM, EUMAN, & MUOMIN. pLZ GIVE ME PRAPOR Ans.......... yasir.Nawaz. PAKISTAN. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Did not exist Democracy, Justice, Solidarity and Human Rights..... Author: MACEDON (FROM MACEDONIA) [Edit] Date Posted: 07:25:54 06/05/07 Tue From: Macedonia for the Macedonians vmro_mnm@hotmail.com To: commissionerhr.communication@coe.int; democracy@coe.int; media@coe.int; webmaster@echr.coe.int; cyberschoolbus@un.org; editor@humanrights-china.org; webmaster@humanrights-china.org; infopoint@coe.int; visites@coe.int; pressunit@coe.int; bureau.paris@coe.int; bureau.bruxelles@coe.int; cm@coe.int; webmaster.assembly@coe.int; webcplre@coe.int; violence@coe.int; combat.racism@coe.int; social.charter@coe.int; minorities.fcnm@coe.int; cptdoc@coe.int; obs@obs.coe.int; webmaster.legal@coe.int; webmaster.local@coe.int; treaty.office@coe.int; webmaster.greco@coe.int; venice@coe.int; pompidou.group@coe.int; webmaster-culture@coe.int; eurimages@coe.int; youth@coe.int; eycb.secretariat@coe.int; press-info@era.europa.eu; public.info@consilium.europa.eu; euraud@eca.europa.eu; euro-ombudsman@europarl.europa.eu; edps@edps.europa.eu; info@ecb.europa.eu; info@eib.europa.eu; info@eif.europa.eu; info@publications.europa.eu; cpvo@cpvo.europa.eu; info@ear.europa.eu; information@osha.europa.eu; mail@emea.europa.eu; info@cedefop.europa.eu; info@efsa.europa.eu; postmaster@eurofound.europa.eu; info@emcdda.europa.eu; information@eumc.europa.eu Subject: Did not exist Democracy, Justice, Solidarity and Human Rights..... Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:33:42 +0000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bifogad fil: LetterstotheEuropeanCourtofHumanRightsCouncilofEuropeStrasbourgCedexFRANCE..doc (0.53 MB) From: HERE IS VMRO-MNM here_is_vmro_mnm_macedonia_for_the_macedonians@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, May 7, 2007 6:30 PM To: info@wordpress.org, support@wordpress.org, info@un.org, un@un.org, webmaster@un.org, info@unep-wcmc.org, wh-info@unesco.org, lemore@un.org, ecu@un.org, president@whitehouse.gov, vice.president@whitehouse.gov, secretary@state.gov, mail@icj-cij.org, webmaster@echr.coe.int, nato-su-@topica.com, info@multimedia.org.mk, vsimjan@mutlimedia.org.mk, info@pollitecon.com, vbivell@pollitecon.com, contact@maknews.com, info@publications.europa.eu, copyright-info@publications.europa.eu, infso-media@ec.europa.eu, euro-ombudsman@europarl.europa.eu, press-info@era.europa.eu, info@osce.org, press@osce.org, kolb@ihf-hr.org CC: webadmin@hrw.org, hrwdc@hrw.org, hrwlasb@hrw.org, hrwsf@hrw.org, hrwuk@hrw.org, hrwbe@hrw.org, hrwgva@hrw.org, berlin@hrw.org, toronto@hrw.org, hrwpress@hrw.org, porteot@hrw.org, shahu@hrw.org, lattigl@hrw.org, heuwagm@hrw.org, eupress@hrw.org, whitea@hrw.org, genaos@hrw.org, permissions@hrw.org, chicago@hrw.org, here_is_vmro_mnm_macedonia_for_the_macedonians@hotmail.com, Subject: Did not exist Democracy, Justice and Solidarity..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment: LetterstotheEuropeanCourtofHumanRightsCouncilofEuropeStrasbourgCedexFRANCEnr2.doc (0.65 MB), AhellofalifeforimmigrantsintheWesternWorld..doc (0.65 MB) A hell of a life for immigrants in the Western World. Did not exist Democracy, Justice and Solidarity..... Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex FRANCE, etc! Regarding the Swedish and the West European anti democratic, violating, Nazi, Fascist, injustice and criminal mafia authorities, institutions and organizations and the deceitful violations against human rights, serious discrimination, oppression, physical and psychic maltreatment and torture, extortion, threats and incitement to racial hatred that are being executed by above-mentioned groups! This is inhumane and gross fraud against immigrants! The letters below are not original but transcription of the originals. Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxxx XXXXXX-XXXX Xxxxxxxx X S - XXX XX XXXXXXXXXX +XXXXXXXXXXX September 16th,2004 International Court of Justice President Shi Jiuyong Peace Palace 2517 KJ The Hague The Netherlands To the International Court of Justice I am writing to you about the gross discrimination, violation, criminal conduct and incitement to racial hatred that has been done to me by different Swedish authorities, institutes and organizations. For a long time I have been discriminated and violated, robbed and even maltreated. My health has been destroyed by 95%. I do not know if I have reached the right instance when I contact you. If it is wrong, I ask you to send this letter with enclosed copies to the right instance and then inform me about this. Unfortunately I cannot send you all my material about the discrimination and violation that I have been exposed of since the material is extensive and I cannot afford to send you everything because of my bad financial position. Only one copy costs 3 Swedish krona. Furthermore, some of the original documents cannot be copied since they are in bad condition. The documents are in Swedish. I have previously sued the Swedish authorities to the antidemocratic, anti loyal and unjust West European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France. The report was made April 2nd, 2003. I had to sue the Swedish criminal Mafia authorities to this so-called European Court since all doors are closed to us immigrants here in Sweden. There is no just court, judge, prosecutor or lawyer. They only work for their own authorities and destroy our lives. My understanding is that they are true Fascists and Nazis. I not only feel that I am discriminated, violated and robbed. I also feel that I live in a society that is oppressing and where we immigrants are treated as the Germans treated the Jews during the time of Hitler. That is why I had to turn to the 'European Court of Human Rights' in Strasbourg. I sent them all my material, facts and evidence. They have shut their eyes and kept quiet for 1 year and 4 months and they have not lifted a finger to help me. Instead they are supporting/co-operating with the Swedish authorities. I feel discriminated and violated. I have lost more than one year and it has cost me dearly, financially, mentally and physically. That is why I am also suing the 'European Court of Human Rights' in Strasbourg for collaboration with Swedish authorities. I have sued the enforcement service (kronofogdemyndigheten), the social insurance office (försäkringskassan), the tax authorities (skattemyndigheten), the public dental service (folktandvården), the dentist Ingemar Vighagen (Citytandläkarna) and the medical service (sjukvården). August 17th, 2004, I received an offending and criminal letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten in Landskrona where it said that they were going to deduct 3300 Swedish Krona/month of my pension. These violations, criminal acts and discriminations are hard to describe with words. I have lived in poverty during my whole time here in Sweden because of such Mafia bandits, Fascists and Nazis. It is not enough with the hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona that they already have robbed me of. They will not stop until the day I die. What they want is to make a profit on me, just as vampires who suck the blood out of people. If it would be possible they would gladly have drained me of 1 kilo blood per month. They will do everything to make more money. I have a very small disablement pension. It is very difficult to survive with this pension. I live in poverty. If the Kronofogdemyndigheten starts to make deductions on my pension I will be even poorer. What can I give my children, now and for their future? What can I buy for my children when I only have 3100 Swedish Krona/month (after the Kronofogdemyndigheten's deduction) to live for (then I have not counted variable costs as electricity, telephone and TV)? I have a 20-year-old daughter. She studies medicine in Xxxxxx. She needs my support but I cannot give her a penny. Before this I had difficulties supporting her financially. With 3300 Swedish Krona less per month my chances of helping her are even smaller. What can I give to my 13-year-old daughter who lives in Landskrona, here in Sweden? I cannot longer buy her a school bag because of the Swedish Fascists, racists and Mafia bandits who make me poor, sad and disappointed. This is both physical and mental abuse, this is inhuman. These people have no human feelings. They are egoists and materialists. Anyone can understand that this is gross discrimination, violations and incitement to racial hatred, to steal from a disabled immigrant with a pension of 11300 Swedish Krona. With this pension I have to pay 3700 Swedish Krona/month in rent and 1200 Swedish Krona/month in child support. In addition to that I have to pay electricity, telephone and TV. How can I survive with what is left? It is hard to explain with words. I need money to physiotherapy, medical treatment etc. Only massage costs 300 Swedish Krona and I need to go three times per month. A chiropractor costs even more. Even before the Kronofogdemyndigheten's last letter it was difficult for me to pay these sums because of my poor economy. How will I be able to afford it now? After the insulting letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten I had to cancel my dentist appointment. I have severe problems with my teeth and terrible pains but I cannot longer afford going to the dentist because of the Kronofogdemyndigheten. I have only 12 teeth left in my mouth and they are all loose. The whole mouth cavity is inflamed and therefore I have to see the dentist regularly. In November 2003 I separated from my family. During following 6 months I managed some way to scrape together money to buy a used sofa and a used TV. I have no bed, kitchen table, chairs or bookcase. The first 6 months I slept on an old mattress on the floor. Now I sleep on the sofa but I can assure you that this is also hell for a disabled person. Now because of the Kronofogdemyndigheten I can only dream of a bed, when I am able to sleep. It is not only the Kronofogdebandits who are involved but also the Försäkringskassan (the social insurance office) and the Skattemyndigheten (the tax authorities). At the Försäkringskassan they know how much money during the last 15 years, hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona that has been paid to the Kronofogdemyndigheten. My debt was at the beginning not more that 90000 Swedish Krona but the Swedish bandits know how to manage. I guarantee that they have useful contacts with the 'West European' court and you can see in black and white that there are only West Europeans sitting there. This is why I am forced to turn to the International Court of Justice. This is my last chance. If the International Court does not punish the Swedish Mafia bandits then there is no justice any longer in this world. Great criminal Mafia bandits will become greater and greater and millions of good people will suffer, starve and die because of the Western World's bureaucrats, Fascists and Nazis. As I have mentioned earlier, my income is very poor, but nevertheless I have been compelled to acquire a bigger flat because of my daughter. She should not have to suffer and be embarrassed because her father is poor and cannot give her anything. When she is here she wants to bring home her friends. And because of my illness I also need to have a room of my own where I can be alone when I am in great pain. I know that my pension does not allow me to have a bigger flat but my plan was that if I do not indulge myself anything and if I exclude physiotherapy etc (except my frequent dentist appointments although, after the letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten, I have to exclude this too) and if cut down even more on my meals then I should be able to manage this rent. Now I do not how I will survive. My rent will be 5700 Swedish Krona/month. I will probably receive some accommodation allowance although it will not be much, perhaps 500 - 700 Swedish Krona/month. If I had had a proper pension as I should have had I would have managed but my pension has not increased. I have complained to the Försäkringskassan but they think that I should manage with a minimum pension. If I had been Swedish I would have received a larger income but we foreigners receive the lowest. When I have moved in to my new flat (that will be October 1st) and the Kronofogdemyndigheten starts to make reductions on my pension, I will only have 1100 Swedish Krona/month left to live for. A joke that is what it is (although I am not laughing). I do not know what to do about furniture. It was difficult beforehand. Now it will be impossible. It is strange; nothing can go right whatever I do. No matter how much I try to save (I eat cheap, I do not make any visits to the doctor etc), still I never have any money. The Kronofogdemyndigheten takes everything. I do not owe them anything but they owe me plenty!! Since I do not have any lawyer who can defend me in this country I ask you to arrange this - lawyer or prosecutor. I will also ask you to see to that this lawyer/prosecutor will contact me as soon as possible so that I can complete the material I have and to send to him/her. Unfortunately there is material that I lack because the Swedish authorities have not bothered to send it to me. There are also documents that cannot be copied because of poor quality as I have mentioned earlier. I demand damages for my health that has been destroyed by 95% by the medical service (sjukvården), the dentist Ingemar Vighagen (Citytandläkarna) and the public dental service (folktandvården), damages for the discriminations and violations that I have suffered by the social insurance office (försäkringskassan), both concerning my pension that has not been raised for 15 years, and for their collaboration with the enforcement service (kronofogdemyndigheten). I also claim damages from the Kronofogdemyndigheten who have stolen hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona from me. Although I have paid everything the debts are still growing and the Kronofogdemyndigheten craves for more. I also claim damages from the tax authorities (skattemyndigheten) for their collaboration with the Kronofogdemyndigheten. I demand that my money will be paid back with damages and interest. My claim for damages including interest is 3,5 million Swedish Krona. Other matters (as for example a raise of my pension) can be discussed at a later time when you have appointed a lawyer/prosecutor. Some documents cannot be completed since the Försäkringskassan does not give me any information about what deductions that have been made to the Kronofogdemyndigheten. That is why the Försäkringskassan must attend the trial and show how much money that has been paid to the Kronofogdemyndigheten. There is one thing I want to mention. I do not accept any lawyer/prosecutor or at all any person from Scandinavia. I want the lawyer/prosecutor to come from without the Western borders: Asia, Africa or South America - an impartial, just person who is against the discriminators, the violators and criminals. If it will go to trial I wish to attend it and that the Swedish Mafia bandits will be summoned. I apologize for my harsh words but I cannot express myself in any other way, the Swedish authorities have not earned it. Thank you for having read my letter. Yours faithfully, Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx COUR INTERNATIONALE DE JUSTICE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE PALAIS DE LA PAIX 2517 KJ LA HAYE PAYS-BAS PEACE PALACE 2517 KJ THE HAGUE NETHERLANDS Mr. Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx XXXXXX-XXXX Xxxxxxxx XXX X S - XXX XX Xxxxxxxxx Sweden 21 October 2004 Dear Sir, I acknowledge recept of your letter of 16 September 2004 addressed to the President. I regret to inform you that, virtue of Article 34 of the Statute of the international Court of Justice, ''only States may be parties in cases before the Court'', and that only international organizations authorized within the meaning of Article 65 of the Statute may reguest advisory opinions of the Court. It follows that neither the Court nor ist Members may consider applications from private individuals or groups, provide them with legal advice, or assist them in their relations with the authorities of any country. That being so, you will, I am sure, understand that no action can be taken on your letter. Yours faithfully, The Deputy-Registrar Ett helvetes liv för invandrare i västvärlden. Brev till Europeiska domstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna i Strasbourg-Cedex Frankrike, etc! Angående de svenska och de västeuropeiska anti demokratiska, kränkande, nazistiska, fascistiska, orättvisa och kriminella, maffiamyndigheter, institutioner och organisationer och de bedrägliga brott mot mänskliga rättigheter, grov diskriminering, förtryck, fysisk och psykisk misshandel och tortyr, utpressning, hot och hets mot folkgrupp som utförs av ovannämda grupper! Detta är omänskligt och grovt bedrägeri mot invandrare! De nedanstående breven är inte original utan avskrifter av originalen. C O U R E U R O P E E N N E E D E S D R O I T S D E L ´ H O M M E CONSEIL DE L´EUROPÉ STRASBOURG E U R O P E A N C O U R T OF H U M A N R I G H T S COUNCIL OF EUROPÉ STRASBOURG Xxxxxxx XXXXXXXXX Xxxxxxxx XXX X SE - XXX XX XXXXXXXXX 17 DEC 2004 ECHR-Lswe11.0R(CD1) MBS/za Mål nr 13585/03 XXXXXXXX mot Sverige Härmed vill jag upplysa Er att Europadomstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna, bestående av en kommitté om tre domare (A.B. Baka, Ordförande, R. Turmen och D. Jociene) enligt artikel 27 i konventionen, den 7 december 2004 har beslutat, i enlighet med artikel 28 i konventionen, att avvisa ovan nämnda klagomål då det inte uppfyllde kraven som anges i artiklarna 34 och 35 i konventionen. Domstolen fann, efter att den hade beaktat allt tillgängligt material, att, i den mån klagomålet föll under dess tilläggsprotokoll hade kränkts. Detta beslut är slutligt och kan inte överklagas till domstolen (ej heller dess ''Grand Chamber'') eller något annat organ. Domstolens kansli kan inte bistå med ytterligare detaljer om kommitténs överläggningar eller svara på korrespondens fån Er angående domstolens beslut i detta mål. Ni kommer inte att erhålla några ytterligare skrivelser från domstolen rörande detta mål. I enlighet med domstolens instruktioner, kommer akten i målet att förstöras ett år efter expedieringen av detta brev. Denna underrättelse är gjord i enlighet med Regel 53 § 2 i Domstolens arbetsordning. Med väldig hälsning På kanslichefens vägnar T.L. Early Vice kanslichef ADRESSE POSTALE/POSTAL ADRESS: TELEPHONE : INTERNET: TELECOPIEUR/FAX: CONSEIL DE L ´EUROPÉ / COUNCEL OF EUROPÉ (0) 3 88 41 20 18 www.echr.coe.int (0) 3 88 41 27 30 F-67075 STRASBOURG CEDEX _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ | | | | | Inbox Notice: Attachments are automatically scanned for viruses using Trend Micro products Från: Euro-Ombudsman EO@ombudsman.europa.eu Skickat: den 30 maj 2007 10:29:14 Till: Macedonian for the Macedonians vmro_mnm@hotmail.com RE: Did not exist Democracy, Justice, Solidarity and Human Rights.....? Dear Sir or Madam, I am writing in reply to your e-mail of 24 May 2007, from which it can be concluded that you consider the Swedish authorities to be undemocratic. You appear to have referred the matter to the European Court of Human Rights and to the International Court of Justice. You have written to the European Ombudsman, whose task is to investigate complaints about maladministration by EU institutions and bodies. This means that you can complain to the Ombudsman if you consider that, for instance, the European Commission, the European Parliament or the Council of the European Union has done something wrong. However, the European Ombudsman is not entitled to deal with complaints against national authorities. Nor is the European Ombudsman entitled to deal with complaints against the European Court of Human Rights or the International Court of Justice, which are not EU institutions or bodies. The European Ombudsman would therefore not be in a position to assist you regarding the matter of your concern. Yours sincerely, Tina Nilsson Legal Officer Office of the European Ombudsman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Macedonian for the Macedonians [mailto:vmro_mnm@hotmail.com] Sent: 24 May 2007 21:34 To: commissionerhr.communication@coe.int; democracy@coe.int; media@coe.int; webmaster@echr.coe.int; cyberschoolbus@un.org; editor@humanrights-china.org; webmaster@humanrights-china.org; infopoint@coe.int; visites@coe.int; pressunit@coe.int; bureau.paris@coe.int; bureau.bruxelles@coe.int; cm@coe.int; webmaster.assembly@coe.int; webcplre@coe.int; violence@coe.int; combat.racism@coe.int; social.charter@coe.int; minorities.fcnm@coe.int; cptdoc@coe.int; obs@obs.coe.int; webmaster.legal@coe.int; webmaster.local@coe.int; treaty.office@coe.int; webmaster.greco@coe.int; venice@coe.int; pompidou.group@coe.int; webmaster-culture@coe.int; eurimages@coe.int; youth@coe.int; eycb.secretariat@coe.int; press-info@era.europa.eu; public.info@consilium.europa.eu; euraud@eca.europa.eu; euro-ombudsman@europarl.europa.eu; edps@edps.europa.eu; info@ecb.europa.eu; info@eib.europa.eu; info@eif.europa.eu; info@publications.europa.eu; cpvo@cpvo.europa.eu; info@ear.europa.eu; information@osha.europa.eu; mail@emea.europa.eu; info@cedefop.europa.eu; info@efsa.europa.eu; postmaster@eurofound.europa.eu; info@emcdda.europa.eu; information@eumc.europa.eu Subject: Did not exist Democracy, Justice, Solidarity and Human Rights..... 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Did not exist Democracy, Justice and Solidarity..... Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex FRANCE, etc! Regarding the Swedish and the West European anti democratic, violating, Nazi, Fascist, injustice and criminal mafia authorities, institutions and organizations and the deceitful violations against human rights, serious discrimination, oppression, physical and psychic maltreatment and torture, extortion, threats and incitement to racial hatred that are being executed by above-mentioned groups! This is inhumane and gross fraud against immigrants! The letters below are not original but transcription of the originals. Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxxx XXXXXX-XXXX Xxxxxxxx X S - XXX XX XXXXXXXXXX +XXXXXXXXXXX September 16th,2004 International Court of Justice President Shi Jiuyong Peace Palace 2517 KJ The Hague The Netherlands To the International Court of Justice I am writing to you about the gross discrimination, violation, criminal conduct and incitement to racial hatred that has been done to me by different Swedish authorities, institutes and organizations. For a long time I have been discriminated and violated, robbed and even maltreated. My health has been destroyed by 95%. I do not know if I have reached the right instance when I contact you. If it is wrong, I ask you to send this letter with enclosed copies to the right instance and then inform me about this. Unfortunately I cannot send you all my material about the discrimination and violation that I have been exposed of since the material is extensive and I cannot afford to send you everything because of my bad financial position. Only one copy costs 3 Swedish krona. Furthermore, some of the original documents cannot be copied since they are in bad condition. The documents are in Swedish. I have previously sued the Swedish authorities to the antidemocratic, anti loyal and unjust West European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France. The report was made April 2nd, 2003. I had to sue the Swedish criminal Mafia authorities to this so-called European Court since all doors are closed to us immigrants here in Sweden. There is no just court, judge, prosecutor or lawyer. They only work for their own authorities and destroy our lives. My understanding is that they are true Fascists and Nazis. I not only feel that I am discriminated, violated and robbed. I also feel that I live in a society that is oppressing and where we immigrants are treated as the Germans treated the Jews during the time of Hitler. That is why I had to turn to the 'European Court of Human Rights' in Strasbourg. I sent them all my material, facts and evidence. They have shut their eyes and kept quiet for 1 year and 4 months and they have not lifted a finger to help me. Instead they are supporting/co-operating with the Swedish authorities. I feel discriminated and violated. I have lost more than one year and it has cost me dearly, financially, mentally and physically. That is why I am also suing the 'European Court of Human Rights' in Strasbourg for collaboration with Swedish authorities. I have sued the enforcement service (kronofogdemyndigheten), the social insurance office (försäkringskassan), the tax authorities (skattemyndigheten), the public dental service (folktandvården), the dentist Ingemar Vighagen (Citytandläkarna) and the medical service (sjukvården). August 17th, 2004, I received an offending and criminal letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten in Landskrona where it said that they were going to deduct 3300 Swedish Krona/month of my pension. These violations, criminal acts and discriminations are hard to describe with words. I have lived in poverty during my whole time here in Sweden because of such Mafia bandits, Fascists and Nazis. It is not enough with the hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona that they already have robbed me of. They will not stop until the day I die. What they want is to make a profit on me, just as vampires who suck the blood out of people. If it would be possible they would gladly have drained me of 1 kilo blood per month. They will do everything to make more money. I have a very small disablement pension. It is very difficult to survive with this pension. I live in poverty. If the Kronofogdemyndigheten starts to make deductions on my pension I will be even poorer. What can I give my children, now and for their future? What can I buy for my children when I only have 3100 Swedish Krona/month (after the Kronofogdemyndigheten's deduction) to live for (then I have not counted variable costs as electricity, telephone and TV)? I have a 20-year-old daughter. She studies medicine in Xxxxxx. She needs my support but I cannot give her a penny. Before this I had difficulties supporting her financially. With 3300 Swedish Krona less per month my chances of helping her are even smaller. What can I give to my 13-year-old daughter who lives in Landskrona, here in Sweden? I cannot longer buy her a school bag because of the Swedish Fascists, racists and Mafia bandits who make me poor, sad and disappointed. This is both physical and mental abuse, this is inhuman. These people have no human feelings. They are egoists and materialists. Anyone can understand that this is gross discrimination, violations and incitement to racial hatred, to steal from a disabled immigrant with a pension of 11300 Swedish Krona. With this pension I have to pay 3700 Swedish Krona/month in rent and 1200 Swedish Krona/month in child support. In addition to that I have to pay electricity, telephone and TV. How can I survive with what is left? It is hard to explain with words. I need money to physiotherapy, medical treatment etc. Only massage costs 300 Swedish Krona and I need to go three times per month. A chiropractor costs even more. Even before the Kronofogdemyndigheten's last letter it was difficult for me to pay these sums because of my poor economy. How will I be able to afford it now? After the insulting letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten I had to cancel my dentist appointment. I have severe problems with my teeth and terrible pains but I cannot longer afford going to the dentist because of the Kronofogdemyndigheten. I have only 12 teeth left in my mouth and they are all loose. The whole mouth cavity is inflamed and therefore I have to see the dentist regularly. In November 2003 I separated from my family. During following 6 months I managed some way to scrape together money to buy a used sofa and a used TV. I have no bed, kitchen table, chairs or bookcase. The first 6 months I slept on an old mattress on the floor. Now I sleep on the sofa but I can assure you that this is also hell for a disabled person. Now because of the Kronofogdemyndigheten I can only dream of a bed, when I am able to sleep. It is not only the Kronofogdebandits who are involved but also the Försäkringskassan (the social insurance office) and the Skattemyndigheten (the tax authorities). At the Försäkringskassan they know how much money during the last 15 years, hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona that has been paid to the Kronofogdemyndigheten. My debt was at the beginning not more that 90000 Swedish Krona but the Swedish bandits know how to manage. I guarantee that they have useful contacts with the 'West European' court and you can see in black and white that there are only West Europeans sitting there. This is why I am forced to turn to the International Court of Justice. This is my last chance. If the International Court does not punish the Swedish Mafia bandits then there is no justice any longer in this world. Great criminal Mafia bandits will become greater and greater and millions of good people will suffer, starve and die because of the Western World's bureaucrats, Fascists and Nazis. As I have mentioned earlier, my income is very poor, but nevertheless I have been compelled to acquire a bigger flat because of my daughter. She should not have to suffer and be embarrassed because her father is poor and cannot give her anything. When she is here she wants to bring home her friends. And because of my illness I also need to have a room of my own where I can be alone when I am in great pain. I know that my pension does not allow me to have a bigger flat but my plan was that if I do not indulge myself anything and if I exclude physiotherapy etc (except my frequent dentist appointments although, after the letter from the Kronofogdemyndigheten, I have to exclude this too) and if cut down even more on my meals then I should be able to manage this rent. Now I do not how I will survive. My rent will be 5700 Swedish Krona/month. I will probably receive some accommodation allowance although it will not be much, perhaps 500 - 700 Swedish Krona/month. If I had had a proper pension as I should have had I would have managed but my pension has not increased. I have complained to the Försäkringskassan but they think that I should manage with a minimum pension. If I had been Swedish I would have received a larger income but we foreigners receive the lowest. When I have moved in to my new flat (that will be October 1st) and the Kronofogdemyndigheten starts to make reductions on my pension, I will only have 1100 Swedish Krona/month left to live for. A joke that is what it is (although I am not laughing). I do not know what to do about furniture. It was difficult beforehand. Now it will be impossible. It is strange; nothing can go right whatever I do. No matter how much I try to save (I eat cheap, I do not make any visits to the doctor etc), still I never have any money. The Kronofogdemyndigheten takes everything. I do not owe them anything but they owe me plenty!! Since I do not have any lawyer who can defend me in this country I ask you to arrange this - lawyer or prosecutor. I will also ask you to see to that this lawyer/prosecutor will contact me as soon as possible so that I can complete the material I have and to send to him/her. Unfortunately there is material that I lack because the Swedish authorities have not bothered to send it to me. There are also documents that cannot be copied because of poor quality as I have mentioned earlier. I demand damages for my health that has been destroyed by 95% by the medical service (sjukvården), the dentist Ingemar Vighagen (Citytandläkarna) and the public dental service (folktandvården), damages for the discriminations and violations that I have suffered by the social insurance office (försäkringskassan), both concerning my pension that has not been raised for 15 years, and for their collaboration with the enforcement service (kronofogdemyndigheten). I also claim damages from the Kronofogdemyndigheten who have stolen hundreds-of-thousands of Swedish Krona from me. Although I have paid everything the debts are still growing and the Kronofogdemyndigheten craves for more. I also claim damages from the tax authorities (skattemyndigheten) for their collaboration with the Kronofogdemyndigheten. I demand that my money will be paid back with damages and interest. My claim for damages including interest is 3,5 million Swedish Krona. Other matters (as for example a raise of my pension) can be discussed at a later time when you have appointed a lawyer/prosecutor. Some documents cannot be completed since the Försäkringskassan does not give me any information about what deductions that have been made to the Kronofogdemyndigheten. That is why the Försäkringskassan must attend the trial and show how much money that has been paid to the Kronofogdemyndigheten. There is one thing I want to mention. I do not accept any lawyer/prosecutor or at all any person from Scandinavia. I want the lawyer/prosecutor to come from without the Western borders: Asia, Africa or South America - an impartial, just person who is against the discriminators, the violators and criminals. If it will go to trial I wish to attend it and that the Swedish Mafia bandits will be summoned. I apologize for my harsh words but I cannot express myself in any other way, the Swedish authorities have not earned it. Thank you for having read my letter. Yours faithfully, Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx COUR INTERNATIONALE DE JUSTICE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE PALAIS DE LA PAIX 2517 KJ LA HAYE PAYS-BAS PEACE PALACE 2517 KJ THE HAGUE NETHERLANDS Mr. Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx XXXXXX-XXXX Xxxxxxxx XXX X S - XXX XX Xxxxxxxxx Sweden 21 October 2004 Dear Sir, I acknowledge recept of your letter of 16 September 2004 addressed to the President. I regret to inform you that, virtue of Article 34 of the Statute of the international Court of Justice, ''only States may be parties in cases before the Court'', and that only international organizations authorized within the meaning of Article 65 of the Statute may reguest advisory opinions of the Court. It follows that neither the Court nor ist Members may consider applications from private individuals or groups, provide them with legal advice, or assist them in their relations with the authorities of any country. That being so, you will, I am sure, understand that no action can be taken on your letter. Yours faithfully, The Deputy-Registrar Ett helvetes liv för invandrare i västvärlden. Brev till Europeiska domstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna i Strasbourg-Cedex Frankrike, etc! Angående de svenska och de västeuropeiska anti demokratiska, kränkande, nazistiska, fascistiska, orättvisa och kriminella, maffiamyndigheter, institutioner och organisationer och de bedrägliga brott mot mänskliga rättigheter, grov diskriminering, förtryck, fysisk och psykisk misshandel och tortyr, utpressning, hot och hets mot folkgrupp som utförs av ovannämda grupper! Detta är omänskligt och grovt bedrägeri mot invandrare! De nedanstående breven är inte original utan avskrifter av originalen. C O U R E U R O P E E N N E E D E S D R O I T S D E L ´ H O M M E CONSEIL DE L´EUROPÉ STRASBOURG E U R O P E A N C O U R T OF H U M A N R I G H T S COUNCIL OF EUROPÉ STRASBOURG Xxxxxxx XXXXXXXXX Xxxxxxxx XXX X SE - XXX XX XXXXXXXXX 17 DEC 2004 ECHR-Lswe11.0R(CD1) MBS/za Mål nr 13585/03 XXXXXXXX mot Sverige Härmed vill jag upplysa Er att Europadomstolen för de mänskliga rättigheterna, bestående av en kommitté om tre domare (A.B. Baka, Ordförande, R. Turmen och D. Jociene) enligt artikel 27 i konventionen, den 7 december 2004 har beslutat, i enlighet med artikel 28 i konventionen, att avvisa ovan nämnda klagomål då det inte uppfyllde kraven som anges i artiklarna 34 och 35 i konventionen. Domstolen fann, efter att den hade beaktat allt tillgängligt material, att, i den mån klagomålet föll under dess tilläggsprotokoll hade kränkts. Detta beslut är slutligt och kan inte överklagas till domstolen (ej heller dess ''Grand Chamber'') eller något annat organ. 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Subject: Read and see the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation. Author: MACEDON (FROM MACEDONIA) [Edit] Date Posted: 07:24:54 06/05/07 Tue MACEDONIAN BOOK 2006 - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS! Read about Communism and Democracy, Justice and Solidarity, War and Peace, Discriminations and Violations and so on. Read and see the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation. My name is Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet and I am a Macedonian, born in Macedonia. For many years I have fought against the violations and discriminations of the Macedonian people executed by different countries in the world, especially the Western World and the Asian occupants. This is a CD-book about the Macedonian question and the Macedonian nation. The CD-book contains part 1 (430 pages) and part 2 (502 pages). This is a voluminous collection of material containing protest letters to different international organisations, institutes, governments and so on, answers and reactions from some them, pictures and maps and much more. The main part of the material is written in English (95%) but there are also texts in Macedonian, German and Scandinavian. Macedonia is a nation that has suffered oppression during decades, genocide and ethnic cleansing. Macedonia is a nation the world has forgotten about. Western authors, historians, experts, archaeologists teachers, professors and politicians have deprived the Macedonian nation of its history, traditions, culture, identity, literature, symbols and land, and falsified our Macedonian antiquity. In schools, children are deceived and indoctrinated with "Greek" history, mythology, Gods and literature instead of being taught the truth. Before 1860, "Greece" ("Hellas") did not exist. Neither did any "Greek" ("Hellenism") nationality. Before 1913, no Serbian "Albanian" or "Bulgarian" nationality or country existed. Before the Second World War, no Montenegrin, Croatian, Bosnian or Slovenian nationality or country existed. All of this is old Macedonian territory. As evidence, there are ancient historian maps presented in book 1. The media of the western world has never revealed the truth about Macedonia, only presented fabricated, anti-Macedonian propaganda. During the 20th century we have heard and seen the Western world's propaganda, discrimination and violations against Macedonia and the Macedonian nation. Now it is time for us to make our voices heard and to inform the world about the truth. We want to show the world our struggle for justice and reveal to the world the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation. I want to warn the readers about the shocking pictures in the book, of young Macedonians, some tortured, others massacred in the spring of 2001 by "Albanian" Nazi fascist extremists and terrorists and with the help of corrupt Macedonian traitors, who call themselves politicians and the Western World's Governments, and the Western World's organizations the NATO, the UN and the EU. This is an echo of the Second World War when Hitler's nazis and Mussolini's fascists occupied Macedonia and gave the "Albanian" terrorists and fascists permission to massacre, murder and slaughter hundreds of thousands of Macedonians. Now the NATO, the UN and the EU are the barbarian, performing the same task as Hitler and Mussolini did. We Macedonians will never forget nor forgive this. Many people have asked why the CD-book is named Macedonia for the Macedonians. The answer to this question will be revealed when you read the CD-book. The price of the CD-book is 16 Euro including shipping. Would you like to be a distributor? The price is then 10 Euro per CD-book including shipping, if you order 20 CD-books or more. To order the CD-book send an e-mail to: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet Ljupco_Mircevski_Trepet@hotmail.com, TREPET_1@hotmail.com Please visit my web site: http://trepet.ds4a.com ; http://trepet.1colony.com I guarantee you that you will not be disappointed when buying this book. I can promise you an interesting and exciting reading. Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet MACEDONIAN BOOK 2006 - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS! Read about Communism and Democracy, Justice and Solidarity, War and Peace, Discriminations and Violations and so on. Read and see the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation. My name is Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet and I am a Macedonian, born in Macedonia. For many years I have fought against the violations and discriminations of the Macedonian people executed by different countries in the world, especially the Western World and the Asian occupants of Macedonian territory. I have written several protest letters to all the great organisations that claim to be democratic, loyal and fair. In these letters I have written and demanded from the anti-democratic organisations and governments in the West that they should not meddle in Macedonia or violate and discriminate the Macedonian people and falsify our history. Macedonia is a nation that has suffered oppression during decades, genocide and ethnic cleansing. Macedonia is a nation that has been shattered and that the world has forgotten about. Western authors, historians, experts, archaeologists teachers, professors and politicians have deprived the Macedonian nation of its history, traditions, culture, identity, literature, symbols and land, and falsified our Macedonian antiquity. The media of the Western World has never revealed the truth about Macedonia, only presented fabricated, anti-Macedonian propaganda. During the 20th century we have heard and seen the Western World's propaganda, discrimination and violations against Macedonia and the Macedonian nation. Now it is time for us to make our voices heard and to inform the world about the truth. We want to show the world our struggle for justice and reveal to the world the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation. I have put together all of the letters that I have written into a CD-book. However, the CD-book is not only about the Macedonian question and the Macedonian nation but also about how the Western World treats immigrants; the discriminations and violations against immigrants (A hell of a life for immigrants in the Western World). It is also about the Western World's crime and the provocations and the promotion of war outside its borders. The CD-book contains part 1 (430 pages) and part 2 (502) pages. This is a voluminous collection of material containing protest letters to different international organisations, institutes, governments and so on, answers and reactions from some of them, pictures and maps and much more. The main part of the material is written in English (95%) but there are also texts in Macedonian, German and Scandinavian. My struggle for Macedonia has had many positive reactions. In this CD-book you will find the truth and not fabricated stories as you will find many journalists and authors to write. When reading this book, many of you will change your opinion regarding history and about the Western World's democracy, justice and solidarity. Many people have asked why the CD-book is named Maced