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Date Posted: 20:43:29 06/18/07 Mon
Author: Celebaelin
Subject: QI Board discussion of Utopia *MAJOR Spoilers*
In reply to: Celebaelin 's message, "Episode 3.11: Utopia *Only Minor Spoilers*" on 12:41:35 06/16/07 Sat

Here is what the boys and girls who take an interest had to say about Utopia. A lot of the thread turned into a discussion of Serenity somehow (can’t think how) but here are the relevant bits.

Mr Grue 183198. Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:19 am
To be honest, I thought the episode was a mess, but with lots of great performances. The scene with Jack in the radiation chamber was tops. So nice to see grown-up writing for Captain Scarlet O'Harkness!

Anyhew, I reckon that the last three series of Doctor Who all turn out to be a dream the Master is having while in a coma at the end of the TV Movie. Chiz chiz.

Be curious to see if the Utopia storyline is taken up again. The trail seemed all over contemporary London, so we've left humanity rocketing off somewhere. Coo, and most cliffhangery cliffhanger going!

Aaaaaaand... Romana? Do you reckon she got back from N Space in order to do her bit for Gallifrey, or is she still out there somewhere too?

Lumpo31 183200. Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:29 am
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Nah, I figured when he took the disk out of the 'puter it had all been a simulation and Utopia was never at any time real. Basically The Master (evil dude that he is, with no special place in his heart for humans) has just sent them all to their deaths.
Mr Grue wrote:
Aaaaaaand... Romana? Do you reckon she got back from N Space in order to do her bit for Gallifrey, or is she still out there somewhere too?
E Space! Get it right!

As for Romana - according to some of the novels she was at one stage the President of the High Council of Gallifrey, so apparently she's come back some time before this (what happened to her chappie she had out there I wonder?). It would be good to find somewhere to slot her in.

(My comment to my daughter - They've got The Doctor's brother back (come on, it's got to turn out that they are brothers - it's been referenced earlier), so when are they going to revive their sister, The Rani? "The" is their family name of course.)

Lisa

dotcom 183201. Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:33 am
I thought that plot-wise, the episode was a bit of a shambles. I mean, yes, it was all very impressive but personally I found the elegant understatement of "Blink" far scarier. Still, JACK AND TENNANT IN A TARDIS. ahhh. My best friend Ros got a signed postcard from David Tennant. I am so jealous.

djgordy 183221. Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:43 am
It's a shame they don't do the Doctor properly too for the old folks who remember William Hartnell.

When we first saw Derek Jacobi he did have a very William Hartnell air about him, being a old white haired man tinkering in a lab and it was pretty obvious that he was going be a Time Lord and most likely the Master. Still, the way that various things that had appeared earlier in the series, including the Doctor's severed hand, were brought together was done very well and made up for the dissatisfying one episode stories from earlier in the season.

soup 183310. Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:00 pm
I think the HAND is going to be key in the Doctor "defeating" the master . Mind you as the Master is the second last time lord I cannot see the Doctor "defeating" him in some terminal way having said that though the last episode is called "the last of the time lords" so who knows? Is the hand going to grow a new body (cue pseudo science and some electricity) it certainly seems to have life in it.

djgordy 183313. Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:14 pm
It rumoured that three endings have been filmed for the final episode. I never believe rumours though.

ficklefiend 183362. Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:38 am
OH MY GOD THAT WAS SO COOL I THINK I JUST DIED A LITTLE.

Ah-hem. I had to catch the repeat on BBC3, very good episode, very, very good. I think I will listen to the podcast for it tomorrow. I cannot wait till next week! Eeep- he's not alone everyone, you knew the face of Bo couldn't be wrong!!

Caradoc 183364. Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:52 am
I thought Utopia to be a bit weak, soldiers at the end of the universe using AK47's, I know they are hard wearing but nobody makes them now & any artifact over a billion years old would be priceless surely. Within 5 seconds of seeing the watch I guessed the Prof was in fact the Master & I have some vague memory that in the past the TARDIS being bioelectromechanical could differentiate between the Doctor & the Master & couldn't be hijacked. & how did the sharp toothed one infiltrate the silo, did they forget to check her teeth?

Ameena 183406. Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:00 am
Something I wondered the night after watching the episode...Harold Saxon is the Master regenerated, right? So, in Martha's time, the Harold Saxon running for election is the Master, restored to his Time-Lordness, and presumably having yoinked the TARDIS and travelled to that time from the year 100 trillion (or whatever it was) where he'd been Professor Yana.
So, if the Doctor (according to himself in his Ninth incarnation at the end of "Dalek", and from the expression on the Tenth's face as "Yana" opened the watch) can tell whether another of his kind is alive, how did he fail to pick up on the existence of Mister Saxon (an anagraom of "Master No. Six", btw) during, say, "The Lazarus Experiment" or, indeed, any other episode set during Martha's time since he's been running for election (for example, a "Vote Saxon" poster is visible on the wall when the Doctor first shows Martha the TARDIS at the end of "Smith and Jones")?
I'd also have thought that, being Time Lords, they wouldn't have to be existing in the same time to be aware of each other's existence. Arrgh, I'm thinking further into this point and confusing myself so I better stop there ;).

djgordy 183473. Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:53 pm
Ameena wrote:
Mister Saxon (an anagraom of "Master No. Six", btw)
It is also an anagram of "mister no sax", indicating his antipathy to jazz music and thus proving that he must be evil.

Celebaelin 183480. Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:12 pm
Caradoc wrote:
I have some vague memory that in the past the TARDIS being bioelectromechanical could differentiate between the Doctor & the Master & couldn't be hijacked.
Me too, but I guess they glossed over that for the sake of the impact of the Doctor losing the TARDIS.

djgordy 183487. Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:20 pm
One thing you could never accuse Dr. Who of is consistency! However, the Master did take the Doctor's severed-hand-in-a-jar on board with him so that could have fooled the Tardis into believing that the Doctor was on board.

Celebaelin 183537. Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:38 pm
So... there's a lot of subtext in this. In the new series:

Captain Jack ('wrong' but with severed hand) can't even get into the TARDIS as far as we know since it legs it for the end of the universe to try and get rid of him.

Blink tells us that humans can at least activate the TARDIS but it's unclear whether it will transport them without the Doctor (or perhaps part of him) being present.

The Master can get into the TARDIS and hijack it. Possibly because he's a Time Lord but quite likely because he's got the severed hand with him.

So if the severed hand can fool the TARDIS about the Master but not about Jack 'fixed point' Harkness should we expect that The Doctor and The Master are more similar than we might have previously thought at this point in their relative progress through their various lives? Is this a comment about good vs evil? A comment about Time Lord physiology? A plot hole? In old style cannon we saw The Master on his last regeneration on Gallifrey trying to steal more life. This incarnation 'must' be prior to that from the Master's perspective, which perhaps explains why The Doctor is apologising to The Master; at this point we don't really know why. Denying him a 14th regeneration could be the reason I suppose but I doubt it. What is the 'why' of The Master?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_(Doctor_Who)
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Couldn’t resist correcting my spelling of Gallifrey in that last post. See what I mean about multi-parters?

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