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Date Posted: 21:55:05 07/22/06 Sat
Author: Celebaelin
Subject: It's a question of extent
In reply to: Sophist 's message, "I didn't understand the "forget" spells as themselves the subject of the blog" on 20:16:17 07/22/06 Sat

The bloggers assertion that

However, Willow removing her girlfriend's memory of the fight they just had and then going down on her in the next episode is hardly consensual sex between informed adults.

,referring to the scene in Once More With Feeling, can hardly be disputed. Granted the main part of the post had me thinking 'but Joss never lets anyone be happy for long, gender and/or maturity isn't the point' and 'character deaths prevent the viewer from becoming complacent about the good guys chances of survival'. These thoughts, combined with your point about

Buffy, Willow, Dawn, Faith

of whom only Dawn would presumably be considered to still be a girl by the end of S7, make it look like the author of the piece was complaining about Willow's easy treatment. It seems as if she's trying to make the complaint stick as a general rule, presumably with some implication of male-orientated vicarious thrills from watching the 'action' in OMWF. If we accept that you're right in saying she's being selective about her examples (and I certainly do) then that argument falls down but we are left with the kid gloves treatment of Willow which was commented on within the series and was mentioned occasionally here but never really attacked in the way that, as a basis for comparison, Spike's rehabilitation was. 'Prodigal' Spike's return to favour occurred in the context of a painful, lengthy and at least initially self-imposed catharsis which Willow was excused. On screen only Amy and Anya found this 'unfair' and the viewer is encouraged to enter into the redemptive process along with the rest of the characters more or less because it's Willow. This has a purpose within S7, it highlights Spike's process of earned redemption for one thing, but from an external viewpoint I recall some posts suggesting that Willow/Kennedy was all wrong and The Killer In Me would seem to support that perception from Willow's POV. However it's all sorted out very quickly and really not that much of a problem it seems. Too easy? I think so, in fact I think I've said so previously.

That we've (meaning this board) skipped the discussion of the oral sex in OMWF, which IIRC was rarely, if ever, mentioned explicitly seems, well, perhaps decorous and perhaps prudish. At any rate it's unsurprising that I don't feel that it's entirely apt for me to give an opinion on the morality of a lesbian sex scene; but to be honest I rather wish somebody would.

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