VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, [5], 6, 7, 8, 9 ]

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 21:21:25 07/29/06 Sat
Author: Celebaelin
Subject: Archive debate
In reply to: roy 's message, "Re: The change from minor to magery" on 01:30:26 07/25/06 Tue

Re-posting from the archives, I find the way they’re laid out hard to follow so I can’t direct you to the start of that thread but there’s quite a bit on this page

http://www.atpobtvs.com/existentialscoobies/archives/sep03_p05.html

also, I get to correct the errors I’ve spotted.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> The allure of Buffyverse magic -- Celebaelin, 09:14:25 09/18/03 Thu

I would interpret the Buffyverse rationale in this way.

If the consequences were predictable then the use of magic would not be so dangerous. It is a question of the universe maintaining its own balance. You could say that there is a price to pay but that implies that the bill can be waived. But the universe cannot write off the bill for manipulating cause and effect any more than gravity can decide not to make an object accelerate in the direction of the operating gravitational field. D'Hoffryn's imposition of the death of Hallie is a curiosity to me in this regard as it seems he has some control over the method in which balance is restored. Maybe because he knows the price that must be paid he gets to choose the payee?

I don't think magic is addictive per se but it is extremely seductive, compulsive even. To be able to solve all your problems that easily is very tempting. We even have a phrase for it, 'as if by magic'.

Giles certainly doesn't object or even offer any alternatives to Willow's magic in dealing with Glory

Apocalypse on a pan-dimensional scale may be considered exceptional circumstances, and the magics used were in any event largely restorative of the balance and unselfish, which seems to me to be relevant somehow in terms of the consequences.

Giles demonstrates his fears and caution regarding the use of magic basically by not using it where practicable and frowning on both its frivolous or ill-considered use and its overuse. As does Tara. We see this time and again in All The Way. Since Willow is obviously not obtuse, except deliberately, we must be intended to assume that she is simply ignoring the messages of people who know more about magic than she does, even if they do not have the sorcerious raw talent that Willow has.

As concerns various other addiction parallels it is possible to use a substance or exhibit a form of behaviour that may become habit forming either psychologically or physiologically without being addicted. Ultimately these options are indistinguishable because of changes in body chemistry, adrenaline, endorphins etc. and other factors, the oral contact of smoking cw eating or kissing say. By addicted here I mean dependent, unable to function without recourse to. Which interestingly implies that you can become addicted to people, some people should certainly carry a health warning, S6 Willow being by no means the least in this regard.

C

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]
Forum timezone: GMT-8
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.