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Date Posted: Sat, Sep 15, 01:24:18pm CST
Author: Archie
Author Host/IP: 216.146.244.191.greenhills.net / 216.146.244.191
Subject: Re: Placement of white standard
In reply to: guy 's message, "Re: Placement of white standard" on Sat, Sep 15, 05:56:48am CST

>>>>>>>>The standard for where white can appear on our
>>>dogs
>>>>>>>>will be as follows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>White can only appear on the feet, chest,
>>>>underneath
>>>>>>>>the body and neck of ALCBA dogs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The vote was quite clear with 62% voting for
>this
>>>>>>>>change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Less than 1% of those filling out surveys wanted
>>>to
>>>>>>>>have more areas allowable. 27% voted to also
>>>>include
>>>>>>>>the nose and tip of tail. Randy do you are Jed.
>>>>>have
>>>>>>>eny dog's that go back to Jug? I would think you
>>>>>>>should be more worried about the walker in him
>>than
>>>>>>>where the white is on some leopards. because you
>>or
>>>>>so
>>>>>>>worried about leopards starting to look like a
>>>>hound.
>>>>>>>Jug was a coondog. I drawed out with him 3 times
>>>and
>>>>>>>he did a good job but E-Beau may be colored up
>>like
>>>>a
>>>>>>>walker. and i mite add he won all three times. so
>>>we
>>>>>>>are go on abilty not looks to get better dog's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Archie,
>>>>>>I think you know quite well that Jed and I both
>>>have
>>>>>>a dog going back to Jug. We are both getting ready
>>>to
>>>>>>test these dogs on big game. They are now about 8
>>>>>>months old and will be hunted out real soon.
>>>>>>I have seen numerous really nice Clark dogs that
>>>were
>>>>>>good and reliable on small game.
>>>>>>This pup I now have here is the houdiest Leopard I
>>>>>>have ever owned, but he does meet the standards.
>He
>>>>>>does not have a white hair on him. Everybody who
>>>>comes
>>>>>>here notices that he does not look much like the
>>>rest
>>>>>>of my dogs. Whether I keep him here or ever use
>him
>>>>is
>>>>>>a big question. I just want to see if he will make
>>a
>>>>>>bear dog. I am going to test him and see for
>>myself.
>>>>I
>>>>>>intend to try a few dogs from other strains in the
>>>>>>near future.
>>>>>>I have wondered for a long time if these
>Clark-bred
>>>>>>dogs were gritty enough for bear. The ones I have
>>>>seen
>>>>>>were definitely track drivers and had many of the
>>>>>>qualities I look for in a dog. I am not happy
>about
>>>>>>the extra hound and other breeds that were bred
>>into
>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>I know that the "Jug" registration was a uniquely
>>>>>>different situation, but Jed and I had absolutely
>>>>>>nothing to do with it. We inherited him along with
>>>>>>others that have caused some Leopard people to
>>>>wonder.
>>>>>>Please remember that the association voted
>>>>unanimously
>>>>>>to register Jug, throwing out his falsified
>papers.
>>>>>>The attempt to register him honestly was
>>>applaudable.
>>>>>>Jed and I have not thrown out any dogs, but all
>>dogs
>>>>>>applying for permanent registration will have to
>>>meet
>>>>>>standards, no matter who they belong to. All ALCBA
>>>>>>permanently registered dogs are just that
>>>permanently
>>>>>>registered, but their offspring will have to meet
>>>the
>>>>>>standards.
>>>>>>Randy
>>>>>Randy I guess then it really dont matter to you if
>>>>>your dogs have walker blood running through their
>>>>>veins as long as they dont look like walkers.While
>>>>>were on the sbject of standards do you got farm
>>>>>shepard blood also. Is the long hair excepted as
>>long
>>>>>as there is no white on there backs.
>>>>Let me spesify a little better when i say long hair
>I
>>>>am not talking a thick coat I am talking about long
>>>>wavy curly hair I have seen some worse than my
>>Mothers
>>>>border collies.atleast e-beau is pure leopard cur
>and
>>>>i would recomend a pup out of him and he has
>produced
>>>>a lot of nice leopards I for one dont care what he
>>>>looks like.there is a leopard in Carlyle IL that is
>>>>out of e-beau that can flat fly on a track that most
>>>>dogs leopard or hound that cant even smell it.And he
>>>>is also a hard tree dog He will stay treed alnight
>if
>>>>that is what it takes for you to get to him
>>>
>>>In my opinion, Mr. Oller is correct in what he is
>>>trying to do. The breed will benefit from it.
>>he is trying to get rid of the white in our dogs but
>>he has dog out of JUG that is part walker but this is
>>OK? JUG was a coondog but lets face the facts he is
>>not pure leopard. what makes it even more bad is most
>>people that have them think they have a pure leopard.
>>I know their a lot of leopards have hound in them but
>>for the most it was way back in their breeding and
>>very little leff in their blood.
>Why is it every time white is brought up the only dog
>you talk about is the Jug dog. You guys voted to
>single register him. The problem should not be with
>the dog it should be with the former owner of the
>registery he is the one who put the papers on him. So
>beings he was voted in as a single registered dog his
>offspring would be registered Leopard Curs. With this
>said why do some of always knock the Jug line of dogs
>you are the ones who are responsible for him being
>registered. You know what they say hind sight is
>20\20. The Jug dog is part of the leopard curs it was
>a members decision to let him in so now its time to
>move on and find a new fish to fry. The JUG dog keeps comming up because the white is what most people are thinking is walker in these dog's and guess who has walker in his blood. but for some reason that is ok to have it. walker or not. yes he was voted in. but 95% of the white on these dog's are double merl dog's. not walker so if they want to have some white that is not from a double merl. keep putting him in their blood lines. just let every one no that is where that white will come from. I not knocking the JUG dog just want new members to know he may be reg leopardcur but he is only about 50% leopard, I will say agin he was a COONDOG.

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