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Subject: Re: DW in new Miss Marple TV movie


Author:
Suky
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Date Posted: 16:41:21 02/10/05 Thu
In reply to: Cinephilia 's message, "DW in new Miss Marple TV movie" on 12:20:16 02/08/05 Tue

>4:50 From Paddington. It's going to be on the CBC at
>the end of February.
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>He plays Luther Crakenthorpe (!)

Yikes, what a name! For those of you who've read the book (hint hint), what kind of character is he? Alas, I can't find it listed for it on PBS in the U.S. Not this month anyway. Anybody know what network (if any) might be airing it in in the States?

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[> [> Subject: More info


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Suky
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Date Posted: 16:54:38 02/10/05 Thu

I found this commentary on another website:

"In 4.50 from Paddington Elspeth McGillicuddy sees a woman in another train being strangled. Was she imagining things? The cast included David Warner, Amanda Holden, Pam Ferris, John Hannah, Celia Imrie, Niamh Cusack and Ben Daniels.

"Stephen Churchett had changed the original story in his disappointing screenplay. The film was also marred by weak acting by several of the cast, especially Griff Rhys Jones, an absurd attempt at comedy by Rob Brydon and Rose Keegan trying to be an aristo with a lisp. Neve McIntosh's version of a French accent sounded more like one from eastern Europe."

http://theinternetforum.co.uk/crime2/mm3.php

At least they didn't comment on DW's acting; no news is good news, right?

There's a longer article about the series here:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14934-1396426,00.html

I have a feeling it's going to be a while before it's aired in this country, if at all. People are more interested in stuff like "Survivor" and "Fear Factor." (Maybe they'd be interested in Miss Marple if they knew "American Idol's" Simon Callow is in one of the episodes!) :-(

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[> [> [> Subject: Miss Marple is coming to PBS!


Author:
Sleepless Suky
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Date Posted: 00:49:10 02/15/05 Tue

I just saw an ad on PBS for the Miss Marple series. It's coming in April! Hooray! (BTW, for the person who was asking about Robert Powell, I caught a glimpse of him in the ad too.) Now I just hope I can stop thinking of Geraldine McEwen as the witch from Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves!

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[> [> [> [> Subject: U.S. fans, mark May 15 & 22 on your calendar!


Author:
Suky
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Date Posted: 19:57:38 03/29/05 Tue

That's when DW's episode of Miss Marple will be aired, according to the PBS website (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/mystery/). For some bizarre reason, the episode title has been changed for American TV (from "4:50 From Paddington" to "What Mrs. McGillicuddy Saw") and DW's name isn't listed on their site either (grrrrr!) ... Thanks, Cinephilia, for helping to figure out which episode was his!

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Explanation


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Cinephilia
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Date Posted: 17:21:58 03/31/05 Thu

"What Mrs. McGillicuddy Saw" is the "catchy" title Agatha Christie's American publisher gave to the novel.

I found the movie very dull. I don't care for the actress who plays Miss Marple (I'm a huge Margaret Rutherford fan!) and the script was padded with useless scenes that are not in the book.

DW was fine as the old curmodgeon (?) with a sensitive heart.


>That's when DW's episode of Miss Marple will be aired,
>according to the PBS website
>(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/mystery/). For some bizarre
>reason, the episode title has been changed for
>American TV (from "4:50 From Paddington" to "What Mrs.
>McGillicuddy Saw") and DW's name isn't listed on their
>site either (grrrrr!) ... Thanks, Cinephilia, for
>helping to figure out which episode was his!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Explanation


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Suky
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Date Posted: 23:14:49 04/10/05 Sun

Thanks for the preview, Cinephilia. I'm always disappointed when I see the movie *after* reading the book if it's a good one; they never get it right. I don't know why screenwriters feel so compelled to change everything when the novel is already perfect.

Yeah, I'm still trying to imagine Geraldine McEwen as Miss Marple after she so successfully etched herself in my mind as Alan Rickman's witchy advisor in Robin Hood. (Kind of like how I can't see Billie Whitelaw without thinking of Mrs. Baylock! Why is it the great villains we tend to find so unforgettable? Jen, whatever became of your treatise on movie villains?) Anyway, we of all people should know that typecasting is wrong, so I'll definitely keep an open mind!

The DW character sounds pretty interesting. Is he in it a lot? I can't wait to see it!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ah-hah!


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Suky
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Date Posted: 14:37:53 04/13/05 Wed

Just thought of something ...

>and the script was padded with useless scenes that are not in the book.

Do you suppose this is why the British title is "4:50 from PADDING-ton"? ;-)

(Sorry, I couldn't help it!)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Part 1


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Suky
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Date Posted: 23:39:31 05/15/05 Sun

So who else has seen it? I saw Part 1 tonight. I'm glad I've never read any of Agatha Christie's books (or seen many movies based on them--other than Murder by Death!) cuz, not having anything to compare it to, I didn't think the episode was too bad.

Of course, the great cast helped a lot. When DW wasn't on the screen, we got treated to John Hannah, who appeared with him before in Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde. Then there was Niamh Cusack, daughter of one of my other favorite actors, Cyril Cusack, playing the daughter of DW. Charlie Creed Miles plays a real jerk, but he reprises the great spoiled-rich-boy pout he wore so well as James II in The Last King--even if it's hidden behind a fringy mustache. ;-) The rest of the cast was really good too. And DW is delightfully crackly as the head of the entertainingly dysfunctional Crackenthorpe clan. (Who knew he could speak Anglo Saxon?)

Enhancing the awesome scenery is the huge, turreted, gothic manor house (overlooking the family mausoleum), evoking my favorite TV series Dark Shadows. Who needs a plot with all that going on? :-) Seriously, I even found myself engaged in the plot. But again, I think the charisma of the actors had a lot to do with that.

I can't wait to find out how it ends--although I hope it doesn't turn out that the most obvious person dunnit. (BTW, my good friend who's a huge mystery fan strongly agrees with you, Cinephilia, about Margaret Rutherford. Hey, is it mere coincidence that the Crackenthorpes reside at Rutherford Hall??)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Part 2


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Me again
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Date Posted: 01:21:25 05/23/05 Mon

Nobody else has anything to say about the show? I didn't enjoy the second part as much as the first ... although DW is just great. Who else could make cantankerousness so charming? My favorite part is when he glowers, "Good evening, brood!" with that inimitable sarcastic delivery of his. In fact, it's the first thing they showed in the ad they were running all week, and it made me laugh out loud. But I don't quite understand why he spends so much of his time in bed as if he's an invalid when he seems perfectly healthy. He's awfully lively for someone who's debilitated by grief and despair. Anyway, there was nowhere near enough of him in Part 2.

For some reason, all the episodes seem to fizzle in the second half--I watched the previous two, but I kept forgetting to watch the first part and then couldn't get into the conclusions the following week. I chalked that up to having missed the set-up even though they recap it at the beginning of the show. But even having been engrossed in Part 1 of this one, I was disappointed by Part 2. For one thing, while they were entertaining, the characters all seemed like they belonged in a comic book. (John Hannah was one of the few who seemed like a real person.)

And, while I haven't read any of the books and don't know what Miss Marple is *supposed* to be like, I have to agree that Geraldine McEwen seems miscast, unless it's just bad directing. She seems to be trying a little too hard to be cutesy-pie with a devious streak. Plus she wasn't in this episode very much but instead sends an attractive young substitute in to do all her sleuthing work. I usually expect the title character in detective stories to be more actively involved! (She only gets one scene with DW!)

Some questions to anyone who's read the books or seen previous movie versions: Was that romantic subplot one of the things the scriptwriters added to pad it out? What about that ballet-teacher scene? (Let me guess: the Noel Coward thing wasn't in the book either, was it?) And what's with Luther's Anglo-Saxon fascination? I thought that was going to go somewhere interesting, but they just dropped it.

Was the story *meant* to be a comedy, and are Agatha Christie's novels also peopled by over-the-top caricatures instead of real people? Charlie Creed-Miles's lispy, whining wife was waaaay over the top! It was funny at first, but she managed to make her slimy husband seem sympathetic. Meanwhile, I thought CCM made a great bad guy; I hope to see him sink his teeth into a feature-length villainous role sometime. (Best line: "I may be disgusting, but I'm not a murderer.") Also, I'm curious what the character of Miss Marple is supposed to be like and what you think made Margaret Rutherford the best, Cinephilia.

Another thing that bugged me: When Miss Marple is explaining the mystery, they "flash back" on a scene showing how the second murder was committed before our unwitting eyes--but the scene has been changed. I rewound the tape to confirm it: The way the scene originally played out, the murder couldn't have been committed the way she says it was!

BTW, more interesting casting: I just realized where I'd seen the woman who plays Mrs. McGillicuddy: Pam Ferris was Harry Potter's expanding Aunt Marge in the Prisoner of Azkaban. And DW's wife is played by Jenny Agutter, whom I last saw on Logan's Run! (Next week's episode features Ian Richardson, who played Oberon in A Midsummer Night's Dream, one of the few performances besides DW's I enjoyed in that movie.)

OK, OK, I know I'm blathering. I promise I'll refrain from posting again till somebody else says something! (That ought to *really* keep everyone quiet!)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Part 2


Author:
Her Royal Badness
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Date Posted: 07:23:13 05/23/05 Mon

Unfortunately, I missed both parts, Suky. My TIVO must have a glitch! Coming from a computer nerd's point of view that doesn't surprise me. Ahhh, technology...ain't it grand! At least it keeps us geeks employed.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Part 2


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cinephilia
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Date Posted: 19:38:48 06/09/05 Thu

Agatha wasn't reputed for her subtle characterizations. She described each of her characters with just a few words, with some features standing out. Most of her characters are either caricatures or stereotypes.

I tried to read the novel again just to compare but I got bored fast and didn't finish it.

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