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Subject: Hey, Lions!! Author: Chandler (Columbia 6 Yale 0) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:12:15 10/31/09 Sat Hey, Lions, you guys are ahead, 6 to 0 with 4 to go in first half. Yale is doing it's best to replace you at the bottom of the league. Trade you, William for 'Riese!!.. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Is there any doubt Author: bulldog10jw [Edit] Date Posted: 14:15:39 10/31/09 Sat Yale has the worst offense seen in the Ivies in many years

[> [> Subject: 6-3 CU Author: CU_88 [Edit] Date Posted: 14:19:32 10/31/09 Sat But you have a better kicking game . What is scary is that we are starting a freshman at QB (Brackett) . I agree that Yales offense is one of the worse but I am sure that some of Columbia's 84-88 teams had a worse offense . At least you won 3 games .

[> [> Subject: Re: Is there any doubt Author: Yes, but Columbia not much better [Edit] Date Posted: 15:02:33 10/31/09 Sat Game painful to watch

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! half Author: internetter [Edit] Date Posted: 14:21:14 10/31/09 Sat Long Y FG=Lions 6-3.

[> Subject: Yale's offense Author: voy vey [Edit] Date Posted: 14:32:21 10/31/09 Sat Yale's offense has now gone 161:27 (and counting) without scoring a TD. Almost 3 full games. Disgraceful.

[> [> Subject: Re: Yale's offense Author: ivy fan [Edit] Date Posted: 14:56:16 10/31/09 Sat Embarrassingly weak offensive line.

[> [> [> Subject: Agreed Author: reality check [Edit] Date Posted: 14:59:56 10/31/09 Sat But the QB's HAVE to learn to get rid of the ball rather than take all those sacks they take.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Agreed Author: ivy fan [Edit] Date Posted: 15:16:26 10/31/09 Sat True but just throwing the ball away still loses a down. QBs need time to complete their passes - line needs to block better for RBs too. Seems the line has been a problem for two years now - one of the reasons Mcleod didn't get much yardage senior year.

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: 14-3 Columbia late in 3rd [Edit] Date Posted: 15:15:23 10/31/09 Sat

[> Subject: almost exactly 3 full games w/o TD Author: voy vey [Edit] Date Posted: 15:23:30 10/31/09 Sat Finally a TD -- about 1 minute shy of 3 full games without an offensive TD. Columbia 14, Yale 10 with ~ 12 minutes to go.

[> [> Subject: Finally Author: reality check [Edit] Date Posted: 15:25:51 10/31/09 Sat

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Ricks [Edit] Date Posted: 15:31:50 10/31/09 Sat Light Blue close again!! About 9 to go!!

[> [> Subject: Just when you think the Yale D would be really pumped Author: Coumbia runs right through them [Edit] Date Posted: 15:34:29 10/31/09 Sat

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Just when you think the Yale D would be really pumped Author: CU_88 [Edit] Date Posted: 15:37:14 10/31/09 Sat 22-10 CU . Looks like Brackett may be the next KG with his running and passing ability. Also congrats to Penn on beating Brown .

[> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Chandler [Edit] Date Posted: 15:37:13 10/31/09 Sat It;s over now. Light Blue on top by 12... good job by the Lions..how low can that limbo bar go for Yale??...

[> [> [> Subject: Very clever offense Author: bulldog10jw [Edit] Date Posted: 15:42:29 10/31/09 Sat The mis-direction and option plays have been very successful. They have attacked the Yale D better than anyone else has, even Lafayette, who really just overpowered Yale

[> Subject: All of a sudden Author: we have actaul ENTERTAINMENT [Edit] Date Posted: 15:44:13 10/31/09 Sat

[> [> Subject: Re: All of a sudden Author: Chandler [Edit] Date Posted: 15:49:18 10/31/09 Sat Crazy game! Columbia a 76 yard run to the one, and they lose the ball! Will this be like the 29 to 29 loss??

[> [> [> Subject: Funny thing Author: bulldog10jw [Edit] Date Posted: 15:53:19 10/31/09 Sat Yale finds a bit of an offense, and now they D looks suspect.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Congrats Yale Author: CU_88 [Edit] Date Posted: 16:03:40 10/31/09 Sat Another blown game .

[> [> [> Subject: Re: All of a sudden-Yale TD Author: internetter [Edit] Date Posted: 16:04:06 10/31/09 Sat The Lions snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with fumbles and a key penalty late in the 4th that gave Y a FD and an opportunity for a TD and the Elis did it!

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: All of a sudden-Yale TD Author: ivy fan [Edit] Date Posted: 16:09:08 10/31/09 Sat Really nice comeback by Yale. Lions should be encouraged - they have a lot of young talent esp at QB. Sean Brackett's got a plenty of potential.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: All of a sudden Author: Chandler [Edit] Date Posted: 16:11:21 10/31/09 Sat 2:06 to go - Rice makes the strip- Yale has the ball at midfield...Sheffield had the catch, but o/o/bounds...yale 1st at the 29 yard line...short time left...yale to the 21...pass to Balsam, incomplete...4th and 1 after Thomas's run...Witt has done well so far...flag on the play...probably holding...refs talking- Yale ball on the 10 with one minute left...TD FOR YALE - nice catch by A.J. Haase...Yale 23 to 22 with 58 seconds left...up to Yale D right now...52 seconds left...gotta watch #4...YALE INTERCEPTS!!! Brackett tried to force it... No shame on the Columbia side; TURNOVERS KILL YA!! A couple of second tier teams playing a thriller!! Wish I'd been there!!...

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: All of a sudden Author: Lion Fan [Edit] Date Posted: 18:18:39 10/31/09 Sat Yes, I was there and it was a very exciting game that Columbia came that close to winning, but those two fumbles at the end of the game were killers. Paul Rice is a terrific player for Yale--definite pro prospect. He should go in the first couple of rounds. As for the Lions, they played their hearts out and their offense was outstanding in the second half under the leadership of a very good freshman quarterback named Sean Brackett. He is a terrific athlete with a very bright future. Same for running back Leon Ivery who broke one for about 75 yards.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Let's give up Author: Ex Lion Fan [Edit] Date Posted: 19:26:22 10/31/09 Sat Basically, our program is a joke, I can't remember such a demoralizing loss, although Cornell about 5 years ago at home comes to mind - the team collapsed. Maybe Columbia needs to use these resources in another place. Why bother having a program - does it reflect positively on the school? For what it is worth, I tore up the remaining tickets - why attend a game that we have no reasonable chance of winning. Even though we had some good performances by Hackett and the RB - when both of them fumble the ball at a crucial part of the game - that hurts. Honestly, I thought we had no chance of losing, but Columbia finds a way. Most students in the Ivy league could not care less about football - so there is one problem. Columbia athletic administrators - do they help us? The student athletes on the team - where do we find these guys? We seem to have a penchant for fumbling at the worst possible moment. The coachs - talk big - but what is the final outcome? I supposed that the administrators will keep Wilson for another 2-3 years - with the same results, then we'll start the same cycle all over again. Guess Fohei is right - what is the point?

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Let's give up Author: foehi [Edit] Date Posted: 22:52:33 10/31/09 Sat Please don't give up. I need Columbia and its fans.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Let's give up Author: Blue Balls [Edit] Date Posted: 00:32:58 11/01/09 Sun I'm never giving up. As Tug McGraw once said "YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Let's give up Author: cu dad [Edit] Date Posted: 12:43:13 11/01/09 Sun Your no Lion fan, we never give up. By the way the names Brackett not Hacket.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: All of a sudden Author: Ricks [Edit] Date Posted: 10:35:06 11/01/09 Sun Coach Williams spoke very highly of Brackett after the game.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: All of a sudden Author: Observer15 (Never Never Never give In) [Edit] Date Posted: 20:11:25 10/31/09 Sat Ex-Lion Fan, I can understand your frustration and demoralization, but you simply should not give up.I am NOT a lion, and have no reason to say this except as I believe it - you are GOING to have a really good team in the next few years. Actually, your coach has produced a bloody miracle. I never thought Columbia football would even see a competitive day. Now I KNOW they will. You have a GOOD coach and he WILL make the Lions competitive. He was almost there this year and the team is beat up by horrendous injuries. There's no administration conspiracy, I am sure of it. Your AD -she is tough and smart, I have seen her in action. It's hard to recruit top players to Columbia, mostly because of where it is situated. It's an urban school, the stadium is at a distance, the culture of the place is a little different - much more hip, urban, trendy, intellectual. But your coach is doing it. Look at Chandler - he was ready to give up on Yale earlier today and stated that Yale couldn't set the bar any lower. Yale fumbled at some pretty bad moments too and was sacked plenty too. He gave up too soon. Don't do the same. The point is - even though it must be frustrating, I believe you would be crazy to give up now. Columbia will get there in the next few years and these players are showing that. It's been a VERY hard climb but you ARE climbing. The FEEL of the games is that you are, even if you are losing these games. If you can get two recruits like that freshman QB and RB you are going to be OK.

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: FB Fan [Edit] Date Posted: 20:01:33 10/31/09 Sat as yes, winning is the only thing that matters. Thats why you buy season tickets?

[> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Cougar7 [Edit] Date Posted: 23:34:06 10/31/09 Sat Let's keep things in perspective. Columbia lost to Yale by a single point, 23-22, in a very exciting college football game. If the "ex-Lion Fan" really knew anything about Ivy League football, in general, and Columbia football in particular, he would be very proud of the Lions for what they accomplished today, i.e. almost defeat a fired-up tough Yale team with a big-time quarterback transfer from the University of Nebraska who picked apart a Lion secondary in the fourth quarter that had three of its four starters on the bench due to injuries. Yes, a loss is a loss, but freshman Sean Brackett was outstanding at quarterback in his first varsity action, Leon Ivery made a 75 yard run in first significant varsity action, Austin Knowlin and Andrew Kennedy made several great catches and both the offensive and defensive lines played extremely well. On defense, the Lions have been without their two best players (Owen Frazer and Alex Gross) for most of the season, and three other key starters were down with injuries. Yet, the defense held Yale to three points in the first half and only buckled at the end of the second half when Witt caught on fire against the Lion reserves. Overall, Coach Wilson and his staff have built up the program where you have 110 + quality young men who believe in themselves, Columbia, and Columbia football. Wilson is a class guy and you would want your son to play for him. As a former Columbia athlete, I feel good about what's happening and see a bright future ahead for the Lions.

[> [> [> Subject: Proud to be a Lion!! Author: Blue Balls [Edit] Date Posted: 00:30:50 11/01/09 Sun Brackett and Ivery had excellent games and the time played it tuff till the end. I see the Lions being competitive the rest of the season and mAy surprise some of you doubters. GO LIONS!

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Roar [Edit] Date Posted: 00:41:14 11/01/09 Sun Excellent post, Cougar 7, thanks. We have a future with Brackett.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Doggers [Edit] Date Posted: 18:04:47 11/01/09 Sun One correction: Yale is NEVER fired up to play Columbia. It is a game we use to rest our injured players after Penn. A win vs. the Lions is nothing of note. A loss is disaster. Yale pulled back from the precipice Saturday. Other points: That Lou Miller is a stud. Columbia's roster remains smallish on the eyeball test. Witt has a great release, but I think Hart is still the better QB with an adequate o-line.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Let's not get too carried away with who is injured. [Edit] Date Posted: 21:16:35 11/01/09 Sun I have been following the Lions for a couple of years and I have to take exception to Cougar7's comment about being without the services of the Lions' "two best players" for most of this season. I don't mean to take away for the good season that Mssers. Frazier and Gross had last year, but let's not get too carried away. Sure we could use both of them this year. I would love to have them both on the field, and wish both fine young men quick and successful healing. They do not alone make the Defensive scheme great, only better. To imply that their absence is the reason for the team not having a stellar year on defense insults the versatility, work ethic and hard play of others, like Andy Shalbrack, a senior SS (formerly a Spur, now CB as well) with over 205 career tackles and 11 career picks to go with full time play in 37 career games. He is a leader on the field, All Ivy votes or not. The Neckman

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: LionFan [Edit] Date Posted: 10:43:25 11/01/09 Sun I agree with the positives -- and the frustration. The AD won't fire Wilson; he's done too good a job. The danger is that they won't be able to keep him.

[> [> Subject: Get a life Author: Ex Lion Fan [Edit] Date Posted: 11:23:22 11/01/09 Sun For god's sake - get a life. I suspect the only people defending the program are parents of current players. I guess it could be worse, we could be in the midst of a 44 game losing streak. I don't know where to begin - surely I'm not the only one fed up with the program - and for what it is worth, I have been following the program since 1992. And attending tons of games - mostly losses, some wins. You want to keep our coach? What program in their right mind would keep a guy with a win - loss record that he has? Show me one program that would keep this guy. I'm surprised we get anyone to coach at Columbia. He was rookie head coach when he took over the program and from my perspective, he has shown us nothing. We have a future? A QB who fumbles the ball with 1.15 seconds left? A HB who makes a great run and fumbles the ball on the 5 yard line? This gives us hope? IN what way? These misplays are not abberations - they happen all the time for us. I'm fed up with the - "We have a future..." Holy cow - we should revisit the poem that Foehi "Dryden" wrote on us - rings pretty true at this point. If you have a team with a 17 game losing streak - just play Columbia, and did I mention - the winning team HB SET A SCHOOL CAREER RUSHING RECORD. Now, will you still tell me we have a good defense. Bollinger wrote me a letter about 6 - 7 years ago promising something... but obviously he can't deliver.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Get a life Author: Nick Butler [Edit] Date Posted: 14:59:57 11/01/09 Sun Unless he calls his players "drug-addicted losers," Wilson deserves, and will get, one more year. If they gave Bob Naso five years, they'll give Wilson five -- for a variety of reasons, not all football-related. The main one is that he deserves a chance to show what his recruits can do as seniors. Garrett, McElreavy, and Shoop were shown the gate early for reasons that went beyond simply losing. What worries me is what level of performance the administration will consider acceptable for this year and next to extend his contract. I still think we're looking at 2-5, 3-7 this year. Suppose he goes 3-4, 5-5 next year. Would that be considered acceptable progress? It shouldn't, but I think it will be.

[> [> [> Subject: Ex Lion Fan says sorry Author: Ex Lion Fan [Edit] Date Posted: 21:17:26 11/03/09 Tue AT the risk of sounding like a total nutjob, I spewed a lot of vitriole last saturday, and reflecting on it - well I can't really explain it all away. Obviously I was upset with the game - guess I think too much about the program. I have the deepest respect for the decent guys who play on the team, coaches, and our supporters. I had a wisdom tooth extracted Friday - does that explain it? As well, it never makes me happy when we lose - but overall I say, best of luck to the Lions the rest of the way. But honestly, can we get a winning season some day?

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ex Lion Fan says sorry Author: Roar [Edit] Date Posted: 21:29:21 11/03/09 Tue Way to repent, Ex Lion Fan, and your frustration is well undertood -- the Yale game was certainly one of our top heartbreakers of all time. As for a winning season, we had one only 13 years ago (8-2 in '96), and more will be coming, so don't despair. When I was there we even won the Ivy League title, so I know it can be done.

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Another Lion Fan (Business As Usual) [Edit] Date Posted: 12:23:15 11/01/09 Sun CU will have 5 or 6 wins to show for the last three years. They graduate Knowlin, Lou Miller and their best DB. Before we all get excited about the frosh QB let us see how Harvard handles the offense after they have watched on film. Trick plays will not beat those guys. This team will not be favored in a game next year and a banner season will be 2-8. Prediction: either one (or both) coordinators gone after this year and Wilson out after 2010.

[> [> Subject: If it was'nt for Wilson, Author: HICKORY SLICKERY [Edit] Date Posted: 14:43:15 11/01/09 Sun YOU WOULD'NT EVEN HAVE HOPE.YOU GUYS ARE ON THE VERGE OF TURNING THIS AROUND.COUPLE OF BREAKS HERE AND THERE,COULD BE A FEW MORE WINS FOR COLUMBIA. GOOD LUCK FOR REST OF THE SEASON..

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Ex-Lion Fan Author: LionFan [Edit] Date Posted: 14:08:52 11/01/09 Sun Actually it is you who needs to get a life -- and a bit of perspective. First, remember that these are a bunch of college kids playing a game. And then try watching the game as well as the scoreboard.

[> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Ex-Lion Fan Author: Mountain Lion [Edit] Date Posted: 14:56:40 11/01/09 Sun The so-called "ex Lion Fan" has his facts all screwed up. For example, it was a different running back who fumbled the ball immediately after Leon Ivery's beautiful run of 75 yards. As for the so-called "trick plays," the Lions only used one "trick play," in the game, a "flea flicker," which did work to perfection. In the second half, the Lion offense moved the ball effectively against Yale using their basic playbook. Maybe the "ex-Lion Fan" should transfer his loyalty to the Princeton sprint team. That's a team that needs support from whatever source, maybe even from someone like the "ex-Lion Fan," following their excruciating 91-13 loss to Penn last Thursday night. I feel sorry for the Princeton players, and hope they can bounce back next season, but common sense says it's time for Princeton to end its sprint program as it has virutally no chance of competing with Penn, Cornell, Army and Navy.

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Chuck [Edit] Date Posted: 16:15:28 11/01/09 Sun I can understand being frustrated about the Lions. But, anyone who has followed this program over the years can't deny that the Lions put more quality FB players on the field this year than they have in a very, very long time. Sure, there were some very unfortuante flubs at critical times yesterday. But, the Lions had a freshman QB playing his first minutes at the collegiate level (and looked really good) and the team made many really good plays. Also, let's realize that if Yale hadn't changed QB's and Witt hadn't played as well as he did (nearly perfect) the Lions would have won despite the mistakes. As to Witt, if this kid can play like he did in the 2nd half Yale will have one of the best QB's the Ivies have seen in years. I don't know why he got benched earlier in the year, but he has a very strong arm, is very accurate (a rare combination in the Ivies) and an amazingly quick release. If I were a Yale fan I would be thrilled to see a QB play like Witt played yesterday...

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Realness [Edit] Date Posted: 20:20:05 11/01/09 Sun I've posted a couple of times before, but some of my points bear repeating. First, the only reason Lion fans defend Wilson is because they like him as a person, which is fine. I think talk of firing Ivy coaches is ridiculous on its face, but many of you like to call for these guys' heads. If you look at it honestly, Wilson's first recruits ARE seniors and none of them except for Knowlin has performed up to the level of Quinn, Hormann, Brekke, Mitchell, Abrams, Quarshie, Rocholl,Crawford, Fletcher et al that were recruited by Shoop's staff. And it can certainly be argued that Shoop didn't produce talent like Reese and many others recruited by Tellier's staff. So let's not get carried away about the talent level on the field. It's down from where it was under Shoop, and that was down from where it was under Tellier. Second, let's not rewrite history either about competitiveness. Shoop won at Princeton and at Fordham, beat Harvard, Dartmouth, and Cornell as well. Those teams also lost heartbreakers to Cornell, at Penn, and at Yale. So there were more wins and about the same amount of close losses as this group has produced, and I would argue against much stiffer competition. Tellier actually (gasp) had a WINNING SEASON!! This staff came close with a group of players they didn't recruit. If you could somehow look back at the archives and read the posts about M.A's first playing time and Rangel's it would read almost word for word what you guys are saying now about Brackett and this freshman RB. Just becuase they play and have moderate success doesn't mean they're anywhere near as good as the players on the other teams. In my opinion, they're not. But I could be proven wrong over time as they develop. But I would definitely take the kid from Dartmouth over any RB we've had since Reese, so I bet that we'll see we just have more average guys. Finally, the fauning over roster size has to stop. Even in Shoop's "reign of terror" there were over 100 kids in camp. Maybe more quit under Shoop during the season than under Wilson, but who cares? Did anybody ever quit who was playing in the games? I think not. The same number quit over the long haul as they do everywhere else. I'v said it several times, count the seniors on the really good teams. There are nowhere near the 30 that came in to camp as freshmen 4 years ago. Most kids quit, no matter where you are. The fact that Wilson evidently treats his scrubs much better than Shoop treated his is very admirable indeed, especially in our league. But giving a coach extra time to win becuase of it is beyond my comprehension. Make up your minds: Do you want a win at all costs program? If you do, Wilson is clearly not your guy. He can't acquire the talent to compete, and can't manage the games well enough to win. If you a want a team that plays really hard for its coach and has kids on it who seem to be having fun and a good college experience, then keep him. I really don't care, I'm going to support the program no matter who is involved, but the revisionists and apologists on one side pitted against the venom spewing FBS wanna bes talking out of both sides of your mouths wears on me after a while.

[> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Dr. Reality [Edit] Date Posted: 20:55:13 11/01/09 Sun No, Wilson's first recruits ARE juniors.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Realwuss [Edit] Date Posted: 20:56:51 11/01/09 Sun [boldly kicks over half a dozen straw men and pounds his chest]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: which is the straw man? [Edit] Date Posted: 21:03:00 11/01/09 Sun All of the arguments the poster cites have been made on this board, including the roster/attrition point. Obviously not all in this discussion thread...

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Marino fan [Edit] Date Posted: 09:03:23 11/02/09 Mon Wilson recruited all but one of the 118 players on the roster according to the Spectator. http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2009/09/18/after-three-subpar-years-coach-wilson-s-team-stands-crossroads

[> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Realness [Edit] Date Posted: 10:20:42 11/02/09 Mon Come on Dr. Reality, Shoop was let go the day after the last game, Wilson was hired less than a month later and recruited a class. He is now in his 4th season, which means he has 4 recruiting classes on campus. As Ivy leaguers, we should all be able to count to four. The only guys on the team Wilson's staff didn't recruit would be 5th year medical hardship guys from Shoop's last class. I don't know if there are any or not, but Wilson's first class is definitely seniors.

[> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Question? [Edit] Date Posted: 10:31:30 11/02/09 Mon I have read several posts on this board from Columbia fans suggesting that they need "better players". My son is a current Ivy player (defensive) and when he was being recruited he sent out emails and game film to all of the Ivies. He was contacted and recruited by all of the schools but Columbia and Cornell. My question is how is it that Penn, who is consistently one of the top defenses in the league, made an early offer to my son and Columbia showed absolutely no interest at all? Is Columbia missing out on athletes because they choose other schools or are they just overlooking talent that other staffs recognize?

[> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: cu dad [Edit] Date Posted: 10:53:07 11/02/09 Mon Kind of tough to count the first recruit class as the coaching staff came in so late they had to scramble through a lot of the video on hand and came in late on all the recruits. I would say Wilson has truly had three full classes he can call his own. The biggest thing about this team that confounds me is the fact we have had the halftime lead in every game but the Dartmouth game and played poorly in the second half and lost. These guys (players and staff) don't seem to believe they can win. The Columbia losing legacy is tough to overcome I guess.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Bill Lewis [Edit] Date Posted: 11:32:18 11/02/09 Mon I don't know the reason Columbia plays poorly in the second half, but another possibility is the lack of depth.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: chazza [Edit] Date Posted: 11:43:09 11/02/09 Mon The Lions scored two TDs in the second half, one in each quarter.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: ??? [Edit] Date Posted: 13:30:09 11/02/09 Mon To CU dad: Columbia was down by 8 to Penn at the half.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: cu fan [Edit] Date Posted: 13:58:33 11/02/09 Mon Marino's play calling in the second half of almost all of the games has been awful. He makes no real adjustments during halftime (he is too busy losing his temper) and seems to have an "if something is working well, stop doing it" and "if something isn't working well, stick with it" policy. We run downhill all over CCSU in the first half, he stops doing it. (No, run slow developing options and bubble screens into the teeth of a defense whose strength is side to side speed. Running straight at them, blowing them off the ball and getting big gains just wasn't good enough.) We pass all over Lafayette in the first half, he stops doing it. (No, run Millie up the middle on the first down every possession in the second half for 2 yards instead.) Their defenses don't have to adjust at halftime, he usually does it for them. I will say he did do a good job this week in the Yale game. My guess is that he was limited in what plays he could call by the lack of experience of the frosh QB but nevertheless he did manage to be disciplined and stick with the stuff that was working. The fumbles were just tough breaks. Its football, stuff happens.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Same mistakes [Edit] Date Posted: 14:53:41 11/02/09 Mon When it happens over and over again it is a trend and not a fluke. Columbia turns the ball over too much to win or be a good team. Facts are facts!

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Roar (Marino) [Edit] Date Posted: 15:38:51 11/02/09 Mon CU fan, regarding Marino I noticed that during the Yale game a different coach (tall African-American) was huddling with the offense on the sidelines. I have no idea if he was there in place of Marino or what was going on, but there's no question that the offensive schemes, play-calling, etc., especially in the second half, were vastly superior to what we've seen in previous games. Both TD passes off trick plays, the first the flea-flicker and the second the fake reverse, were very timely and executed to perfection. Congrats to all! It's possible that the "new look" offense had a lot to do with Brackett, who opens up many nore possibilities with his heady moves. M.A. is a strong runner and a good passer when on target, but Sean Brackett is more of a natural QB, very talented and a leader who can really light it up. If he stays healthy, good times ahead, starting with a strong showing against Harvard.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: cu fan [Edit] Date Posted: 17:16:42 11/02/09 Mon Marino is up in the box on the headphones. The guy on the sideline is the receivers coach who relays in Marino's calls.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Roar [Edit] Date Posted: 21:26:27 11/02/09 Mon Thanks CU Fan, for that info . That must mean that Marino's doing better -- seemed like night and day, especially in the second half once Brackett got going.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: foehi [Edit] Date Posted: 17:57:14 11/02/09 Mon Yes, a new messiah for Columbia. This new qb will make all the difference. As they used to say in Brooklyn, WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR!

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: Roar [Edit] Date Posted: 19:42:25 11/02/09 Mon But in Brooklyn, Conn., where Brackett is from, when they say that they really mean it.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: chazza [Edit] Date Posted: 19:21:36 11/03/09 Tue fumbles hurt; but, last minute holding call on Yale's 4th down was the clincher.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey, Lions!! Author: old blue [Edit] Date Posted: 16:33:48 11/03/09 Tue great comeback for our blue due to unfortunate lion fumbles which gave away game.interesting how we clobbered the indians the tom toms regroup and run all over the lions and we end up with this game 23-22.outside of quakers and contabs anything can happen.