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Subject: Ivy Football a rather dull season Author: Mike [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 18:21:32 11/01/09 Sun It is sad that the Ivy football brand is diminishing in value. I think there is a great opportunity waiting for an offensive minded coach to wake up the League and turnaround the "playing not to lose" philosophy. We have some many great minds in the classroom, why aren't they challenging the status-quo? I'm optimistic given the tradition, but does anyone care? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Football a rather dull season Author: Kevin [Edit] Date Posted: 20:01:58 11/01/09 Sun As Barney Frank so delicately put it, "On what planet do you spend the majority of your time?" Seriously, what are you talking about? This Ivy season (to me, at least) has been thrilling. What exactly about it has not been satisfying for you?

[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Football a rather dull season Author: Mike [Edit] Date Posted: 20:12:31 11/01/09 Sun The subject line is misleading as it was from someone's earlier thread. I'm not worried about one season; my focus is on the longer term and how we succeed in attendance and players in a more competitive FCS?

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Football a rather dull season Author: Kevin [Edit] Date Posted: 20:50:18 11/01/09 Sun Ah, ok. Got it. I can definitely agree with you about those two subjects. It seems to me like we're losing a lot of players to teams from the Patriot League and CAA mostly, and attendance has been an issue for most teams for quite some time now (although Brown's has been much better than in the decade or so prior this season and last season).

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Football a rather dull season Author: Doggers [Edit] Date Posted: 09:06:15 11/02/09 Mon It's all FCS (D-1AA) that suffers from attendance. Even the more football crazy schools in our subdivision (App State, Delaware, Montana) only draw around 25,000. The only Ivy game that consistently draws crowds is Harvard-Yale. People would rather watch Alabama or Florida on their big HDTV on their couch than sit in the cold in Hanover or Ithaca.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Football a rather dull season Author: Go Green [Edit] Date Posted: 09:31:35 11/02/09 Mon There are numerous causes for declining attendance. Most were discussed by Carm Cozza in his autobiography. TV is indeed a factor. Student demographics is another big one. Increased competition in some localities for the casual fan is also an issue. There was a time when schools like Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, and Penn were the kings for local football coverage, but they've since been displaced by other schools in that regard.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Football a rather dull season Author: boola [Edit] Date Posted: 13:53:28 11/02/09 Mon For decades thru the seventies Yale "was college football" in Conn. As for the present, if you were a non alum (or maybe even an alum) would you rather go see UConn play Notre Dame or Yale play Brown.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Uconn...no contest Author: Henry L. [Edit] Date Posted: 16:59:24 11/02/09 Mon

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Um, I think that wa a rhetorical question Author: reality check [Edit] Date Posted: 17:16:01 11/02/09 Mon

[> Subject: Re: Ivy Football a rather dull season Author: SrPunter [Edit] Date Posted: 16:14:01 11/02/09 Mon And Brown v. Colgate used to draw pretty well on Thanksgiving morning. The past is the past.

[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Football a rather dull season Author: foehi [Edit] Date Posted: 18:00:55 11/02/09 Mon Penn Cornell on Thanksgiving used to be on national TV...long, long time ago.

[> Subject: Re: At this rate we'll be watching soccer on Saturday afternoons. Author: Sprint66 [Edit] Date Posted: 10:10:25 11/03/09 Tue Attendance throughout the league continues to decline. I watched the Princeton vs. Colgate game on ESPNU and they had a smaller crowd than most high school JV teams. Seriously!!! I swear, the Dryden High School vs. Lansing High School game here in the greater Ithaca area draws bigger crowds than Cornell. With football budgets continuing to swell and attendance continuing to decline, something is eventually going to give, which is teams in the Ivy League dropping football at some point in the future. It may be another 10 to 20 years, but trust me it's going to happen if we don't fix the problem.

[> [> Subject: Re: At this rate we'll be watching soccer on Saturday afternoons. Author: Relax [Edit] Date Posted: 10:16:18 11/03/09 Tue You talk about this every post. You will be long gone before an Ivy drops football.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: At this rate we'll be watching soccer on Saturday afternoons. Author: Go Green [Edit] Date Posted: 10:22:10 11/03/09 Tue I'm still wondering which school will supposedly drop football first and get kicked out of the Ivy League. :)

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: At this rate we'll be watching soccer on Saturday afternoons. Author: foehi [Edit] Date Posted: 17:14:13 11/03/09 Tue Go Gunners

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: At this rate we'll be watching soccer on Saturday afternoons. Author: Sprint66 [Edit] Date Posted: 20:40:58 11/03/09 Tue Yeah, I know, I sound like a broken record. However, some of us older alums can remember Ivy League Saturdays with full stadiums and exciting games. Granted, we didn't fill them like the Big Ten, but they were full basically end zone to end zone. It kills me to sit in our beautiful stadium at Schoellkopf Field and stare at those empty West Stands every game. The students don't bother attending the games as most of the fans are a bunch of old farts like me. I can't speak for the other Ivies, but Cornell is currently going through some very difficult times financially, so it's probably going to get worse before it gets better.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hope are you right that things get worse for Cornell... Author: Go Green [Edit] Date Posted: 08:04:22 11/04/09 Wed ... at least through this coming Saturday. :)