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Subject: Re: Welcome to the 21st Century Author: SpuytenDuyvil76 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 05:44:10 02/13/26 Fri In reply to: observer 's message, "Welcome to the 21st Century" on 09:48:14 02/12/26 Thu observer - I agree, especially if you want a university the football team can be proud of! The rest of the developed world does just fine (and increasingly maybe better) eschewing the support of semi-professional sports and gets on with the bigger job of providing higher education and scientific research. The vast majority of students participating in sports, all sports, will not go on to any professional career in the sport, so clearly they are participating for themselves. As it should be. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Welcome to the 21st Century Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:33:05 02/13/26 Fri False premise. Which is a better school, Stanford or NYU? Duke or Haverford? Vanderbilt or Bard? The idea that strong athletics programs crowds out strong academic/research communities is patently false. Michigan is a top school across many endeavors, drawing excellent students from all over the USA, including private schools in Ivy territory. As is UCLA. Without Lew Alcindor and Bill Walton, UCLA might still be a regional commuter school. Data shows that many kids from top prep schools are eschewing smaller traditional liberal arts schools for bigger public and private schools the sun belt because of weather AND campus culture (including school spirit). And the idea that the legacy schools in the Northeast have a hammerlock on academia, especially what qualifies as "academic" research these days, is also a bit of fart-sniffing. One can aspire to be more than what they have been. And the ad hominem attacks about the school envying the football team is bullshit. The Ohio State President who made that remark knew damn well that his academic community NEEDED the Buckeyes to be good, so that admission rates and yields would go up. Ask George Mason and Loyola Illinois if being D1 in men's basketball was worth admitting some students whose skill in basketball overshadowed their classroom study habits. They would make that trade every day until Sunday. The Flutie effect is real.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Welcome to the 21st Century Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:52:39 02/13/26 Fri If you wanted a big-time atmosphere, why did you choose Columbia?