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Subject: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: - [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 15:49:31 10/31/09 Sat 20seconds left [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: - [Edit] Date Posted: 15:51:12 10/31/09 Sat Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Final

[> Subject: Knowles has to go! Author: Cornell collapse continues [Edit] Date Posted: 15:57:00 10/31/09 Sat Time for Knowles to step down and a fresh new start to the program. Very sad to see them underperform the last few years.

[> [> Subject: Re: Knowles has to go! Author: Floridared [Edit] Date Posted: 16:05:22 10/31/09 Sat Very doubtful they win another game.

[> [> Subject: Re: Knowles has to go! Author: Cornell fan [Edit] Date Posted: 16:44:15 10/31/09 Sat The secondary has been terrible all year. But in some fairness part of the problem lies in no, I repeat no, pass rush from the smallest DL in the Ivy League.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Knowles has to go! Author: Agreed -- time for change after this season [Edit] Date Posted: 17:00:10 11/01/09 Sun

[> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: Tigers [Edit] Date Posted: 17:53:00 10/31/09 Sat Princeton was outgained by Cornell but still managed to win.

[> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: M3 [Edit] Date Posted: 19:18:06 10/31/09 Sat Detected a hint of a downfield throwing game today. Some nice passes by Wornham.

[> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: Bob F [Edit] Date Posted: 19:32:51 10/31/09 Sat M3 hit the nail on the head. My exact thought. Throw the ball vertically and maybe some good will come from it. Also, I can't help but being amazed at the fact the Cornell new the Tigers were going to run the clock after the big 4th down stop. Tigers were in I formation and the biggest holes were opened for McCray. Makes a difference when the RB gets the ball while moving instead of standing still. (take note Roger). Saw more injuries and players coming off field than you can imagine but a win is a win. Felt very good for Jordan and the rest of the team.

[> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: NJ Big Red alum [Edit] Date Posted: 19:35:59 10/31/09 Sat All to familiar story for Cornell start the season fast then fade miserably.

[> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: TigerFan [Edit] Date Posted: 21:15:50 10/31/09 Sat Sorry offense other than a 78 yard pass play. Cornell was not very good. Getting stopped on 4th and inches when you have a 270-pound guard to run over is weak, Big Red. Overall, pretty bad football by both teams, but a W is a W.

[> Subject: Re: Well the good news is we found a running back! Author: Sprint66 [Edit] Date Posted: 21:47:08 10/31/09 Sat A another tough loss today. Sound like a broken record? The good news is we found a running back in junior Marcus Hendren (76 yards on 11 carries, nearly all in the second half). I hope they start him next week against Dartmouth. Actually, if they don't start him I am going to tear up the last of my season tickets! We could have easily won this game as both Hendren and Barbour had nice runs down to the three yard line. On third down we go for the pass instead of the run. Unbelievable after running the ball so well that series. We then missed the chip shot field goal. I feel badly for the kids on this team as they're more talented than what we're seeing on game day. Go Big Red!!!

[> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: BRFan [Edit] Date Posted: 22:35:57 10/31/09 Sat Cornell does not have head coach. I see team with an OC and 4 DC [1 up top and 3DC on field]. Head Coach does not watch offense during game. Instead HC is one of the 3 DC on field. HC focuses on details of defense events. I am not questioning DC ability. Cornell needs leadership at the helm watching over the team during the game. 27 and 12 are gamers, develop momentum, and are consistently under utilized.

[> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: Bengal [Edit] Date Posted: 00:02:49 11/01/09 Sun From the website: "When HC Roger Hughes handed the game ball to 2008 Ivy League rushing champion Jordan culbreath in the middle of a jubilant and victorious locker room, it set off as emotional a cheer as Princeton has experienced during a turbulent season.... "Tears streamed from players and coaches, many of whom waited to hug Culbreath, who was diagnosed with aplastic anemia...Culbreath attended his first game since the diagnosis..." Here is wishing him a full recovery.

[> [> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: Sprint66 [Edit] Date Posted: 20:47:02 11/01/09 Sun All the best to Jordan Culbreath and we look forward to seeing him run the ball for the Tigers next season! Unfortunately for us (Cornell), the Princeton Tigers were still able to knock off the Big Red without their star running back. I cannot understand this five game losing streak, as I was very hopeful about this season.

[> [> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: Floridared [Edit] Date Posted: 20:56:39 11/01/09 Sun Be grateful for the first 2 wins or this team could have been staring at an 0-10 year.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Let all the kids play and have some fun! Author: Sprint66 [Edit] Date Posted: 21:21:35 11/01/09 Sun Florida Red, I don't know the answer. I am fine with losing if we're at least playing competitive football and building for the future, but four blowouts prior to the Princeton game is unbelievable. I feel so badly for the players. The coaches are paid professionals, but the players work so hard and deserve a good season. What we should do for the rest of the season is just play ALL the kids and do the best they can. I mean clear the benches, let all the seniors and underclassman get in the next three games. At least they'll have fun and get some real game day experience. We don't have a chance to finish in the upper half of the league. What do we have to lose???

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Let all the kids play and have some fun! Author: Floridared [Edit] Date Posted: 21:26:06 11/01/09 Sun The coaches play for wins (and keeping their jobs), you won't see any new underclassman that haven't already seen some playing time.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Let all the kids play and have some fun! Author: Sprint66 [Edit] Date Posted: 08:22:09 11/02/09 Mon Florida Red, you're right about that. I have always admired this coaching staff as they do seem like a good group of guys. For what ever reason it's not transferring into wins come game day. However, the team is there for the student-athletes, not the coaches and while it's ultimately up to the coaches, I think the best tactic at this point is to give everyone playing time and close out the season on a high note.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Let all the kids play and have some fun! Author: Floridared [Edit] Date Posted: 09:43:23 11/02/09 Mon I understand what you're saying but again the coaches are getting paid to win not at that the pleasure of getting everyone playing time. I really think this staff just can't get it done. Their best seasons were with players brought in by the former staff. Cornell has been mediore far too long, I'd like to see a staff given another opportunity.

[> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: Terlingua [Edit] Date Posted: 13:02:07 11/02/09 Mon You folks make me laugh. Off with the coach's head every time a team loses. These Ivy teams are so close in talent that any of them can win on any day. My son plays for Knowles, and I think he's as good a coach as any of the Ivies. There's only two things he should change: forget seniority and play the best 22; recruit more minority athletes and big corn-fed linemen.

[> [> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: Agreed [Edit] Date Posted: 13:18:15 11/02/09 Mon Amen. I hate listening to all these know-it-alls call for someone to lose their jobs, when in actuality they have no clue.

[> [> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: Floridared [Edit] Date Posted: 14:07:34 11/02/09 Mon Problem is in six years they haven't learned to play underclassman over seniors or recruit DL with size. That's why they consistently start the smallest DL in the Ivy League.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton 17 Cornell 13 Author: Doggers [Edit] Date Posted: 14:30:29 11/02/09 Mon Did all of that military training wear down the kids?

[> [> Subject: Re: The stats don't lie.......... Author: RedWin [Edit] Date Posted: 19:57:40 11/02/09 Mon Knowles is a very good defensive minded coach and well respected throughout the Ivy League. The alums have been solidly behind Jim Knowles for his first five seasons at Cornell. Unfortunately after six seasons his best record is 6-4 with the prior coach's recruits back in 2005. This year's team is also loaded with seniors with your two QB's, primary running back, your best lineman, and both receivers set to graduate next spring. So from an offensive perspective, next season doesn't look promising either. Six years is plenty of time to at least get the program competitive. If the team was losing close games and building for the future, then Knowles job is secure. However, we have been blown out of the last four out of five games. We also lost to Princeton, who's season record was worse than Cornell. Since 2005 the team went 5-5,5-5,4-5, and now we're probably looking at 3-5 at best. If Knowles was coaching at Harvard or Yale, he probably would have been let go after last season. So it's definitely going to be time for a change come December.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: The stats don't lie.......... Author: Bob S [Edit] Date Posted: 22:52:42 11/02/09 Mon Mediocrity has been pretty much the hallmark of Cornell football since the formalization of the Ivy Leage with some exceptions especially under Baughan and Musick. Other Cornell coaches have struggled with recruiting talent to East Hill. Are the recruiting disadvantages that Cornell faces against the Big 3 and Penn too much to overcome?

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: The stats don't lie.......... Author: Fan [Edit] Date Posted: 23:22:19 11/02/09 Mon "Are the recruiting disadvantages that Cornell faces against the Big 3 and Penn too much to overcome?" Huh? Granted not all sports are equally easy to recruit, and football recruiting is somewhat unique. And yes,while Cornell is a fine institution, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton have greater prestige and more generous aid packages. But look at Cornell's record in track, lacrosse, hockey, wrestling, even basketball lately. It has an advantage versus Harvard, Yale, and Princeton under the Academic Index, and lately has changed its financial aid policies to be more competitive as well. So Cornell has some disadvantages, but some advantages as well. Its disadvantages against Yale have not prevented it from beating Yale nor have Princeton's advantages enabled it to avoid being blown out by Columbia, or to beat Brown, or possibly anyone else this year.