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Subject: Ivy FB 30 years later


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Ivy Inquisitor (Freshman & spring FB)
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Date Posted: 14:07:32 06/14/24 Fri

Thirty years ago the league revised their charter by eliminating freshmen football thus allowing them to compete on the varsity team and permitted spring football. These changes are before my Ivy League football fandom so I want to get the thoughts from our older but wiser participants on this board. How did these changes affect the league and what if any impact dose it have today?

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy FB 30 years later


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:40:14 06/14/24 Fri


I speak just for myself. But playing freshmen football was a terrific way to get acclimated to college life. It's tough enough being on your own for the first time. But playing against guys the same age when the program (at least Dartmouth's) cared more about player development than wins and losses really made the transition easier.

I get that countless freshmen have since gotten through school just fine by joining the varsity as soon as they step onto the campus. Still, playing freshman ball was fun.

I will say that Dartmouth would not have won a share of the championship this year if the old rules precluding freshmen eligibility were still in place. There was nobody else on the team that could have did what Owen Zalc did for us this year. Not sure if any other Ivy champion had a freshman player who was absolutely indispensable (although plenty have contributed to success).

I don't really have strong thoughts either way about spring football. More football is always a good thing, so... yay?
[> Subject: Re: Ivy FB 30 years later


Author:
Yale OL
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Date Posted: 12:16:33 06/15/24 Sat

Have basically the whole league eliminated JV football? I always enjoyed watching Yale play on a beautiful Sunday vs. such teams as Bridgeton Academy, Milford Academy, SHU JV, etc.
[> Subject: Re: Ivy FB 30 years later


Author:
Ivy Inquisitor (JV Football)
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Date Posted: 15:22:36 06/16/24 Sun

Last time I’ve heard of JV Football was 2019. Princeton and Dartmouth played maybe 4 games. I don’t know if how the games were pre scheduled. Few years ago when I was associated with Penn I remember hearing that JV athletics at one time were a major part of the Ivy athletic program.
[> Subject: Re: Ivy FB 30 years later


Author:
Fear the Quaker
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Date Posted: 08:55:10 06/18/24 Tue

Freshmen football was great fun.
[> Subject: Re: Ivy FB 30 years later


Author:
RedWin
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Date Posted: 13:56:32 06/18/24 Tue

I agree freshman football was a great way to learn the college system and it provided a platform for many walk-ons to move up to the next level. Since we no longer have freshman football, that's why I think the Ivy League should allow the 5th option because otherwise the majority of freshmen are wasting their first year on the bench. For example, at Cornell the engineering program is basically five years and most of the pre-meds are staying an extra year to earn their masters in biology, etc. The business school majors could all begin working on their MBA etc.
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An Observer
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Date Posted: 15:01:46 06/18/24 Tue

I hear what you're saying and your suggestion is well-intentioned but, if you let players stick around for a fifth season, you'lll just keep more guys on the bench for their sophomore year. The issue isn't four years or five years. It's that we have rosters of 100-120 guys and only 11 can be on the field at once.
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Author:
ivy guy
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Date Posted: 07:30:13 06/19/24 Wed

Q: Has the Ivy League adopted a fifth year of eligibility?
(a serious non-contentious question).

I understood that IL football athletes had to be non-degreed undergraduates and were limited to four playing seasons.

The work-around every school has used (for years) is for seniors who missed a season due to injury or lack-of-playing-time to disenroll in their final Spring semester, thus creating the "phantom 5th year".

I did not think that the League had formally changed the rules except for the Covid years.

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Author:
Lurker
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Date Posted: 17:54:07 06/19/24 Wed

Absent the covid year exception, I believe there must be a documented injury to be eligible for 5 th year. Lack of playing time will not do it

Surprised (well not really) no one in IL office documents and celebrates all the successes of IL grad transfers in FBS football
[> Subject: Re: Ivy FB 30 years later


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Lurker
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Date Posted: 18:22:32 06/18/24 Tue

Ok, I will be the contrarian. I think freshmen being incorporated right away with the varsity leads to a much better team atmosphere and if anything is more helpful for them getting comfortable within the university and the program

There were so many freshman players that were never really committed to playing that be end of Sept half the guys were checked out anyway. From my perspective the only thing freshman football accomplished was to further limit the interactions between older and younger players which in my opinion greatly benefit today’s first and second year players

Oh, and in general the coaching was a joke
[> Subject: Re: Ivy FB 30 years later


Author:
Ivy Inquisitor (5th Covid year)
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Date Posted: 19:52:51 06/19/24 Wed

The 5th year was only for seniors that missed their fourth season due to the League canceling all sports for the 2020-21 “Covid” year. In order to be granted a “5th” the student had to be accepted into graduate school. I don’t remember if the grad eligibility was limited for their undergraduate school.
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Lurker
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Date Posted: 20:49:19 06/19/24 Wed

Columbia will have 13 “5th year” players this season (actually participating in their 4th season)
[> Subject: Re: Ivy FB 30 years later


Author:
IvySportsJunkie
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Date Posted: 13:21:33 06/20/24 Thu

While there are merits to having freshmen teams, it is important to recognize how our Ivy football coaches have done an excellent job of integrating freshmen into their varsity teams.

The Ivy football coaches place a top priority on creating a profound sense of community within their respective teams. Commencing with the fall preseason before classes start, the coaches build into practices and team meetings a number of clever bonding activities. Each freshmen player is assigned an upper-class teammate to mentor the freshman related to academics, athletics and personal issues. They provide faculty advisors. They also offer regular faculty, industry professional and alumni informal presentations to players on a wide range of topics. Most importantly, the coaches have built a very deep network of alumni mentors who have achieved prominent positions in business, tech, law and other professional fields. These alumni commit be additional invaluable mentors the athletes and to help offer attractive summer intern positions.

Bottom line, the Ivy football players gain so much off the field during each of their college years, regardless of their respective playing time on the field. This is why the majority of players who have more limited playing time elect to not quit their varsity team.

To illustrate this point, let’s analyze a few of the Ivy football team rosters. The typical Ivy team recruits 27 players per annum or 108 players in a four-year period. In last year’s Harvard vs Yale football contest, the Yale roster had 116 players and the Harvard roster had 110 players. While you can adjust for about a dozen walk on and fifth season players on the roster, this would imply that Yale and Harvard retained about 90% of their recruited athletes for all four seasons. You will find similar results for the other six Ivy league football programs.

This is remarkably different at the vast majority of FBS football programs. The typical FBS program has at least two thirds of its recruited players leave their program before graduation. NIL and expanded transfer portal will only act to further accelerate the roster turnover at these FBS schools. When you speak to Ivy football players, especially the ones who earn less playing time, they tend to speak fondly of the intangibles that this Ivy experience offers.


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