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Subject: Final FCS Stats Top 25 Ranking


Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 15:49:24 01/06/26 Tue

Yale moves up from #24 to #15. Harvard drops from #15 to #20.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/stats-perform-fcs-top-25

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[> Subject: Re: Final FCS Stats Top 25 Ranking


Author:
Jay
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Date Posted: 16:35:28 01/06/26 Tue

Yale's relatively close lost to the national champion definitely helped its ranking.
[> Subject: Re: Final FCS Stats Top 25 Ranking


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sparman
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Date Posted: 17:54:20 01/06/26 Tue

Yale should be higher, but at least ivies are being noticed. Will take a while to grind down long prevalent snobbish (isn't that ironic) attitudes against ivy football.
[> [> Subject: Re: Final FCS Stats Top 25 Ranking


Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 18:18:02 01/06/26 Tue

An eleventh game would go a long way towards rectifying that.
[> [> Subject: I've Got Sunglasses On, SPF 50 Slathered All Over and An Ice-Cold Margarita (Figuratively)


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 14:17:41 01/07/26 Wed

sparman, there is indeed irony to the snobbish attitude that the rest of the FCS and FBS football world holds toward those of us here in the Ancient Eight.

But I'm not resentful. That's human nature.

The reason stereotypes exist is that there is a foundation (or even more than a foundation) to the stereotype.

If you're going to screen athletes for academic qualifications, you're going to be left with worse athletes. That is a fact.

If you're going to screen any elite population A for a wholly different qualification X for which the rest of the population A is not screened, you're going to left with a subpopulation that is not as elite along dimension A.

So sure, smart kids are going to be worse athletes. That is 100% true, on average.

But what the FCS selection committee might be overlooking is that:

(a) We're giving out the equivalent of full scholarships as if they were candy. I'll bet that, on each of our eight rosters, we've got more guys on a full ride than Illinois State and Montana State do this year. That might change after the House settlement but, for right now, we have more guys on a full ride, not fewer guys.

(b) There will always be a handful of recruits who choose Mercer or Montana over Harvard or Princeton, but there ain't many of them. We're screening for intelligence, remember?

So we're going to do just fine over time, at least until the FCS guys really ramp up the scholarship limit or the NIL money.

Let's be honest. We lucked out this year. We were one incredible Yale comeback which included a ballsy 2-point conversion from having our two co-champions stomped on during our first step into the batter's box.

Andy Aurich apologized to the rest of the Ivy League for carrying our banner in such an underwhelming manner. I give him credit for that. Can I see, to choose just one example from many, Tom Williams ever doing that? No, I cannot. A tip of the hat to Aurich.

This was a great inaugural expedition into the FCS tournament. Let's enjoy the ride for what it was. The FCS selection will underseed us for a while. No problem. We'll have to earn their respect and that's just the way it should be.
[> Subject: Re: Final FCS Stats Top 25 Ranking


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observer
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Date Posted: 19:04:09 01/09/26 Fri

Keep believing that "screening" bullshit. There are kids attending Ivies that would have never gotten in 40 years ago.

Admissions now looks for well-rounded classes, not well-rounded individuals. This means that not everyone matriculating is "book" smart.
[> [> Subject: Our Academic Standards for Athletes Are High, Not Low


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:31:46 01/10/26 Sat

observer, here's where I agree with you and where I do not:

You're absolutely correct that not everyone matriculating at an Ivy League university is highly intelligent. If your parent has donated, say, $25 million to alma mater, you are probably going to be judged leniently when you apply.

Overall, except for a handful of kids from really rich families, athletes and underrepresented minorities have historically been the students with the worst academic profiles. The latter may be changing as some of the Ivies cut way back on black and brown students. Since losing its Supreme Court case, Harvard has cut its number of accepted African American applicants in half.

So you're correct that athletes will likely be, on average, among the worst students on any Ivy campus -- any Ivy. We agree on that.

But what's the most appropriate yardstick here?

Is the only relevant standard other Ivy League students? I'd say "no."

There are two relevant standards at play in our current analysis. The first is other Ivy students and, here, the AI -- assuming for the time being that it's being applied honestly and fairly -- keeps the bulk of Ivy athletes within one standard deviation of the overall mean on campus.

(There's a separate issue that Ivy students no longer fit a normal distribution curve because the top end of the curve has been truncated by the dumbing down of the SAT in 1999.)

But the most relevant standard for Ivy athletes in this current thread is **NOT** other Ivy students, it's other Division I athletes.

I'll repeat that for effect. The standard here is other Division I athletes.

In the NIL/transfer portal era, Division I athletes will get dumber and dumber.

I hope you enjoyed listening to Fernando Mendoza after last night's Oregon game. You're going to see fewer and fewer of his type in the future, the Yale-bound guy who speaks in complete sentences jammed with words like "synergy" and "composite."

Our Ivy athletes will be subject to a more and more stringent screen compared to other Division I athletes. We're going to be holding our guys to a higher and higher standard, not lower.

It will be harder and harder for us to succeed in Division I football and men's basketball writ large. We're in a good spot right now. That's subject to change as the ice floes shift all around us. But for now:

Almost all of our sports teams are competitive at the Division I level. Our athletes are real students. They may well be the dumbest ones on campus, but they're legitimate dumb Ivy League students.

We don't need to be ashamed of them (yet), we can and should be proud of them.
[> [> Subject: Re: Final FCS Stats Top 25 Ranking


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 17:15:33 01/10/26 Sat

Regarding athletic admissions, even with the “recentering,” it is the reverse. Quite a few athletes admitted pre-AI would not be admitted today.


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