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Subject: Re: The question we always ask: Why no Ivy League postseason football? Author: IvySportsJunkie [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 13:25:20 05/17/24 Fri In reply to: Ed S. 's message, "The question we always ask: Why no Ivy League postseason football?" on 09:14:37 05/12/24 Sun There are three interrelated issues that make it problematic to have the Ivy League participate in the FCS playoffs. First, the FCS playoffs have five rounds, which went from November 23, 2023 to January 7, 2024. As noted above, this would impact exams scheduled during the entire reading and exam periods. Second, the potential five additional games would result in a ton more injuries as a result of the season being increased by up to 50 percent. Third, the ongoing admissions legal challenges related to racial, legacy and athletic preferences plus how to address NIL has resulted in school administrators being very cautious in making any radical changes. At this time, a more pragmatic path would be to increase the schedule from 10 games to 11 games. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Eleventh game suggy Author: Ivy Inquisitor (Ivy expansion) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:33:36 05/17/24 Fri Although Ivy plays in the division one they operate like division three. In the sense of playing 10 games private institutions that place academics over athletics. I can’t envision the Ivy’s adding a 11 th game unless the D3 dose so or the 1AA adds a 12 game. I’d love to see MIT added to the Ivy fold. They’ll be a perfect addition with their close history with Harvard, their location and ideology. MIT would balance out the conference schedule! They probably would be competitive in individual sports: track, swimming & diving, gymnastics, cross country, ect. Moving from D3 to D1 in football and basketball may take 3-4 years. Even more so with football. To ease the transition the Engineers could play three non league D3 games. The game against Harvard will be an instant rivalry! Biggest question is who will they play in the season finale. Would it be a non league game?

[> [> [> Subject: Eleventh game suggestion (typo) Author: Ivy Inquisitor [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:40:19 05/17/24 Fri

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleventh game suggy Author: Ed S. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:02:40 05/17/24 Fri What does D3 have to do with the Ivy League adding an 11th game?

[> [> [> [> Subject: Eleventh game suggestion Author: Ivy Inquisitor (MIT) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:31:52 05/18/24 Sat By bringing MIT into the Ivy League this will be the 11th game.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Eleventh game suggestion Author: Observer15 (Not only concussions) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:52:21 05/18/24 Sat The physicians say it is not only concussions. It is the repeated shaking of the head through contact. Some people may be more prone to this than others. But it is a reason why the presidents no doubt want to limit -limit the impact in all ways. Preserve the game but limit the number of times contact is made, and ALSO limit all this through the number of games. Just guessing here. Granted that much has been done and there are myriad improvements. The game is safer, no doubt. But if you read the medical reports that must have been presented to these people, their possible reluctance to amp up becomes clearer. I can hear the thudding silence in the room. Potentially five more postseason games if you make a playoff and move on up? Never. You can take that to the bank.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Amazingly enough... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:44:32 05/18/24 Sat The rest of the FCS is doing the playoffs in spite of the Russian Roulette that you describe. While I agree that there was a time that injuries posted an existential threat to football, I do not believe that such is the case anymore given the sport's (thank you Teevens) responses to the injury concerns.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Forget about another Ivy League School Author: Ed S. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:05:07 05/18/24 Sat That's more of a pipe dream than allowing postseason play.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Forget about another Ivy League School Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:43:31 05/20/24 Mon Right, and Stanford playing in the Atlantic Coast Conference was on your bingo card 5 years ago...

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: MIT? MIT? MIT? Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:36:18 05/20/24 Mon MIT? From my reading of the tea leaves, the next member of the Ivy League is Montclair State.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: MIT? MIT? MIT? Author: Ed S. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:54:08 05/22/24 Wed They at least have a good baseball facility

[> [> Subject: Re: The question we always ask: Why no Ivy League postseason football? Author: spizz1976 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:44:07 05/18/24 Sat I disagree with Go Green's opinion that concussions do not pose an existential threat to football, even though I do believe that Buddy Teevens ushered in so innovations that will delay the threat. While football is succeeding mightily with fan interest, TV ratings, marketing, and all of the economics of football, the existential threat is surfacing in the form of less middle class white kids playing in high school and colleges. The facts are that their parents are guiding them toward sports with less of an injury and concussion threat. This may not seem like a big deal financially, but I would argue that part of today's popularity of football derives from so many grown and financially-secure men that played the game as youths and in high school. As those numbers dwindle in future generations, football ratings will begin to suffer.