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Subject: Re: Anybody care about the Ivy baseball tournament? Author: Old Lion (We were outplayed) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 15:28:08 05/18/24 Sat In reply to: joiseyfan 's message, "Anybody care about the Ivy baseball tournament?" on 19:36:48 05/17/24 Fri Both opposing pitchers stymied our #s1 and 4 hitters; our pitching was subpar to awful, and we just didn’t play good ball. We were flat out outplayed in both games. I feel for the guys who had such a dominating season and faltered so badly in the tournament.. Penn and Princeton deserved to win; congratulations to both of them. PS, the color commentators were excellent, especially the former Yale coach. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:03:06 05/18/24 Sat Good grief. The schedule has been pushed back because today’s Penn-Cornell game is put off until tomorrow due to mound maintenance issues. What is this about? I did see them working on the mound late in the game while Faulkner was warming up.

[> [> Subject: Re: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:08:44 05/18/24 Sat Too many bodies buried there? (OK, really sorry, mea maxima culpa, but there are really limits to the straight lines a sane quipster can pass up before he cracks like 75-year-old wooden bat...)

[> [> [> Subject: Re: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:48:38 05/18/24 Sat I think you are confusing Columbia’s baseball stadium for Yankee Stadium.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: Lion Rooter [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:40:35 05/18/24 Sat it has been rainy this PM and in fact NYC has had a lot of rain lately -so no surprise pitchers mound is sagging much like our Ivy baseball and NCAA tournie hopes

[> [> Subject: Re: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:50:38 05/18/24 Sat Bengal, if the winner's bracket game is pushed off until Sunday, does that mean Princeton will not face the loser until Monday? If so, that would be a break for the Tigers, I would think, given their short pitching roster. I agree with you wholeheartedly about how ridiculous it is for Columbia to have to win a double-elimination tournament after running the rest of the League into the ground over seven weekends. If Brown had hung on for one more second against Yale in men's basketball, this would have been the academic year to remind everybody why a post-season tournament is dangerous in a one-bid conference. My own opinion is (now) if the players and the coaches want it, is it our business to be against it? But it wouldn't shock me if Brett Boretti started voting against the Ivy tournament from now on. In basketball, we play a fourteen-game regular season just to seed a two-round single-elimination bracket. In baseball, we play twenty-one games just to seed a double-elimination bracket. Sample size, folks, sample size.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:30:06 05/18/24 Sat I believe P will play the loser tomorrow, but have not checked.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:39:09 05/18/24 Sat The Ivy League website is silent on when Princeton will play the loser out of the winner's bracket. I asked whether it would be Monday because one of the main features of the double elimination structure is that it gives the winner out of the winner's bracket an extra day of rest when the second elimination game is played. In baseball, that gives the winner of the winner's bracket one more day for pitchers to rest while the losers of course have to turn around and play the next day. If Princeton plays the second game of a double header tomorrow against the loser of Penn/Cornell, then the winner of Penn/Cornell would be denied its extra day of rest. Not the worst tragedy in the world of course, but it defeats one of the built-in features of a double-elimination baseball bracket.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:04:29 05/18/24 Sat I don't believe "voting against the tournament" is a thing anymore. I have no issue with repairing a mound damaged by heavy use following steady rain, in fact I greatly support it. If you saw the effect on pitcher's legs and ankles, you would too.

[> [> [> [> Subject: "A Tarp, A Tarp. My Kingdom For A Tarp." Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:59:46 05/18/24 Sat sparman, no doubt you're correct that the coaches and/or ADs don't vote every year on whether to conduct a postseason tournament. But obviously they do revisit the topic from time to time, no better exemplified than in baseball where we've gone from winners from two geographic divisions play each other (even if the two best teams are both in the North or the South), to the two teams with the best regular season records play each other, to four teams in a double-elimination format. So the topic is clearly revisited as requested by coaches and/or ADs. Baseball is a special candidate for dropping a postseason tournament for the simple reason that the best team in baseball has a much greater chance of losing any single game or pair of games because there's simply more randomness in baseball. That's why Columbia's 17-4 season was so amazing. In this sport, it's hard to go 17-4 against Little Leaguers. At some point, the pendulum could swing back the other way where a guy like Boretti would say, "No mas!" It would be the equivalent of Penn and Princeton agreeing in the early 1970's to experimenting with a four-team men's basketball tournament before realizing, "Hey wait, this is terrible for us." Question re: the pitcher's mound at Columbia. Don't they cover the darn thing with a tarp when it rains? Isn't that Groundskeeping 101?

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: "A Tarp, A Tarp. My Kingdom For A Tarp." Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:23:18 05/18/24 Sat My opposition to the basketball tournament for reasons cited above by Bengal is longstanding, but I cannot see the IL putting this tournament idea back up for a vote, if for no other reason than it would open the door to calling off tournaments in other sports in which they are too invested.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:42:29 05/18/24 Sat Oh, I have no issue with repairing a damaged mound. I’ve just never heard of a game postponement due to a defective mound before.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:21:05 05/19/24 Sun Yeah, didn’t Yogi say you can’t think and pitch at the same time? No, wait…..

[> [> Subject: Re: What??? Delay for Mound Maintenance?? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:41:25 05/19/24 Sun Think and hit. Let’s get Yogi right!