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Subject: Keith Allain Retiring as Yale Head Hockey Coach Author: Son of Eli [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 17:26:59 08/08/25 Fri An amazing career, but it was time. https://yalebulldogs.com/news/2025/8/8/mens-ice-hockey-allain-80-announces-retirement-after-historic-career-with-yale-mens-hockey.aspx [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Keith Allain Retiring as Yale Head Hockey Coach Author: bulldog10jw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:20:44 08/08/25 Fri A career a lot like Carm Cozza. A great recruiter and coach the first half or more of his career, but he probably stayed on a little too long.

[> [> Subject: Re: Keith Allain Retiring as Yale Head Hockey Coach Author: Old Blue [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:39:45 08/10/25 Sun Gentlemen; agree with Mr. bulldog 10 the squad was awful the last several years. Nonetheless, congratulations to Mr. Allain for his contributions over the years, especially the 2013 season.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Keith Allain Retiring as Yale Head Hockey Coach Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:04:59 08/10/25 Sun I would be curious what others think was the driver behind the diminished performance of the football and men's ice hockey team in the latter innings of the Carm and Keith tenures. Specifically, is it simply extremely unlikely that a formerly high achieving performer in a high pressure, high intensity business like intercollegiate sports maintain his or her success as the years and the miles on the odometer click by? Or were there specific changes or challenges that Carm and Keith could not adapt to? I'm at an age when many if not most of my peers are starting to wind down or plan to retire in the near future. On the other hand, a few of my close friends are not maintaining highway speed, they are accelerating. The end of Carm's tenure is a cautionary tale as to what can go wrong when we stay in the pilot's seat for too long. How inevitable is professional decline as Father Time emerges, as he always does. undefeated?

[> [> [> Subject: James Jones Author: bulldog10jw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:32:19 08/11/25 Mon James Jones has been the opposite. Started slowly at Yale, although certainly not badly, and has been great for the last decade.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: James Jones Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:07:54 08/11/25 Mon My take on James is well developed. I think that Yale kept his recruiting on a tight -- that is, normal for Yale -- academic leash and he achieved well but not spectacularly, given that constraint. When Amaker arrived in Cambridge, he broke the Ivy mold and started bringing in guys that might have been the sole academic reach for a given recruiting class. Only he was bringing in more than one of those per class. That's how we ended up with recruits like Camden McRae. Once Amaker took the lead, I think James went back to the powers that be at Yale and said, "C'mon, man. . . ." and they gave him more wiggle room. His natural coaching ability has been paired with better athletes in the second half of his career and here we are: a great program that reloads. I'm thrilled that he has been given the tools that match his natural skill level, like an artist who has been given a new palette, a NASCAR driver with the restrictor plates taken off. Vroom, vroom.

[> Subject: Re: Keith Allain Retiring as Yale Head Hockey Coach Author: Bob S [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:13:11 08/10/25 Sun The late Richie Moran ran into simlilar issues his last few years in not maintaining the level of excellence he had in his earlier seasons with Cornell lacrosse.

[> [> Subject: As did Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:43:54 08/11/25 Mon Recently retired Dartmouth baseball coach bob whalen

[> Subject: Re: Keith Allain Retiring as Yale Head Hockey Coach Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:44:05 08/11/25 Mon Unusual timing. I hope his health is ok.

[> Subject: Re: Keith Allain Retiring as Yale Head Hockey Coach Author: Eli1143770312 (On the other hand) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:18:41 08/11/25 Mon Not all great coaches fade as they age. Steve Gladstone retired from California after an amazing career there and at Brown and, after a year’s retirement, resurfaced at Yale and led the Elis to the greatest era in its history (and as America’s oldest team, it was a long history that included two Olympic gold medals n the eight). All of this was accomplished while in his seventies. He retired at age 80 but couldn’t stay retired, taking the job at Navy last year.

[> [> Subject: Re: Keith Allain Retiring as Yale Head Hockey Coach Author: SpuytenDuyvil76 (verily) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:55:03 08/11/25 Mon Agree Gladstone an exceptional coach, but he has already transitioned out at Navy after just one season in favor of his assistant.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Keith Allain Retiring as Yale Head Hockey Coach Author: L et V [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:05:29 08/11/25 Mon Too challenging to fill the first couple of boats with alien oarsmen.

[> [> [> [> Subject: At Navy? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:38:40 08/11/25 Mon I doubt that was an issue.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: At Navy? Author: SpuytenDuyvil76 (verily) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:54:07 08/11/25 Mon Actually, probably the major issue. If you want to be in the finals of the IRAs, you got to have a boatload of furriners.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: At Navy? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:58:41 08/11/25 Mon I thought he was referring to challenges in recruiting alien rowers to Navy. Which is not a thing if they are not withon the realm of possibility.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: At Navy? Author: SpuytenDuyvil76 (verily) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:53:34 08/12/25 Tue You are absolutely right sparman. You're not going to be getting the national team Europeans, Brits, Aussies, Canadians, et al a position as a midshipman at Annapolis. My point is you are not going to be in the finals of the U.S. university national championships, the IRA, unless the majority of your boatings are international. Steve Gladstone, of all people (he began the modern trend of international recruiting while at Brown), would know this, so, curious why he took the job in the first place, and then stepped aside so soon in the second.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: At Navy? Author: L et V [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:30:33 08/12/25 Tue Spuyten: You're absolutely correct about what it takes to win on the water these days. Perhaps, Steve Gladstone chose Navy because of its associations. He certainly didn't sign on at West Point or the Air Force Academy. Even odder was his one year at Yale as an assistant coach after he broke our hearts by surrendering the throne.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: At Navy? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:27:30 08/15/25 Fri Not because there aren't foreign athletes, but I still have to laugh at the mention of "alien rowers". Sounds like a new Casper Van Dien movie.

[> Subject: Let's face it boys... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:19:04 08/14/25 Thu The league was very, very spoiled by the way Pete Carril retired from Princeton. It's extremely rare for a legend to go out at the pinnacle of his career with the entire world cheering him for a job well-done. Tim Murphy was fortunate enough to go out on a high note, although there was plenty of grousing that his best days were behind him. More often, its guys like Restic, Cozza, Whalen, Allain, Tom Landry, Bobby Bowden and countless others going out with a whimper even though they racked up tons of victories during their tenures...

[> [> Subject: Re: Let's face it boys... Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:31:09 08/14/25 Thu Yeah, this is right. High achievers achieve highly in part because they have the drive and ego which loves the game, the competition and the wins. Then, having ascended the summit, there is the psychological thrill of being on top and having all the admiration that comes with triumph. Whether it's a successful CEO, fund manager or head coach, these guys are not hard wired to step aside once they're on top. And when I say "guys," I'm not being careless with gender. These are men who can't put down the royal scepter. There is something about professional achievement in men that goes right from the eyes to the brain to the heart to the little fella down below. I'll bet it's been this way for the last 200,000 years. GG's mention of Pete Carril is the exception which supports the rule. That's the outlier. You need all the right ingredients to come together. In his case, you pre-announce that you're stepping down and then lightning strikes against UCLA. The perfect exit from the stage.