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> >"And yet you imply that it is the pressman who is >screwing up the Trib's color." > >Nope, not what I said, I said "...but ultimately it >comes down to the pressman running the ink on the >press." > >There is no blame there, it's a simple fact, they have >the ultimate control over the amount of ink hitting >the page > >Which, you being a "pressman" you would know that. >Your no more a pressman than I am photosuper whoever. > >You cry babies can complain all you want and trash >whomever, but, bottom line is, the Trib's color has >not changed one bit. > > > >>Wow, you seem to know a lot about this issue! And yet >>you imply that it is the pressman who is screwing up >>the Trib's color. How misinformed! What was that you >>wrote? "If you don't know what you're talking about, >>don't speak." How dare you continue to insult the >>pressman! >> >>Your comments read like they came from someone "in the >>know" and a very defensive someone at that. The Trib's >>Total Inking Limit is only known by a handful of >>people. You must be one of those few. And I doubt that >>you would be a pressman. That would be my occupation. >>So, what does that make you? Oh, a photo tech! Perhaps >>a former chief photo tech who recently quit >>coincidentally just about the same time that the color >>consistently improved? >> >>My copies of the Trib for the last month or so look >>better than ever. Now that may be subjective but, your >>Honor, I calls it like I sees it. >> >>>Sorry folks, the color is just the same. It's hit or >>>miss as it has always been. Beattie was not the >>>problem. >>> >>>As far as Photoshop controlling the ink density, it >>>does to a degree, but ultimately it comes down to the >>>pressman running the ink on the press. >>> >>>A standard TIL, or Total Ink Limit, which is set in >>>Photoshop for web offset presses is between 250 - >270. >>>The Trib runs a 350 TIL and the color is still light >>>and inconsistent across the page. Gotta love keyless >>>inking. >>> >>>With that being said, if Photoshop did truly and >>>completely control the ink output with it being set >at >>>350, you would have over saturation and pages that >>>would take days to dry. >>> >>>If you don't know what you're talking about, don't >>>speak. >>> >>>>I agree! What graybar? The man behind the problem is >>>>gone, the graybar is gone and now the color looks >>>>better than it has for a couple of years. >>>> >>>>>"Take a look at the graybar at the bottom of the >>page >>>>>next time repro is bad. If it is not uniform, you >>got >>>>>an early run paper" -when did you work on a press? >>>>>Graybars are a thing of the past. Photshop dictates >>>>>inking, plain and simple. Presses nowadays reach >>peak >>>>>speed under 300 copies. >>>>>"No matter what you do in Photoshop, the pressmen >>>will >>>>>make it worse." -what an insult to the press pros >in >>>>>our business! No wonder you no longer work with >>>>>presses (as you alluded)! >>>>> >>>>>>I have worked with presses. (Not for Trib.) I can >>>>tell >>>>>>you that no matter what you do in Photoshop, the >>>>>>pressmen will make it worse. Especially during the >>>>>>initial run. Bad color reproduction is not a good >>>>>>reason to stop the press, and it takes some time >to >>>>>>adjust and get it right. I can't remember a time >it >>>>>>was spot on at startup. Heck, I can't remember it >>>>>>being spot on halfway through the run. >>>>>> >>>>>>Take a look at the graybar at the bottom of the >>page >>>>>>next time repro is bad. If it is not uniform, you >>>got >>>>>>an early run paper, and it has nothing to do with >>>>>>Photoshop. >>>>>> >>>>>>>Okay, I am a Trib photographer. What I can tell >>you >>>>>is >>>>>>>that photoshop does dictate how much ink goes on >>>the >>>>>>>press. So your apparent speculation is correct! >>>>>>>

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