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>"Nope, not what I said." That's right, you implied it >like Inkie stated! > >"No blame there, it's a simple fact." Ever consider >becoming a politician? > >"Your no more a pressman than I am photosuper >whoever." Let's start with "your." (You're) obviously >no more a writer than superphotofragilistic whoever >was a pressman. > >So, you are not a pressman and you are not a writer. >You must be the only newspaper delivery boy who knows >all about the Trib's photoshop produced Total Ink >Limit! And a very defensive paperboy at that! > >By the way, my Trib's color reproduction also has been >superb for the past month. Gotta love keyless inking! > > >>"And yet you imply that it is the pressman who is >>screwing up the Trib's color." >> >>Nope, not what I said, I said "...but ultimately it >>comes down to the pressman running the ink on the >>press." >> >>There is no blame there, it's a simple fact, they have >>the ultimate control over the amount of ink hitting >>the page >> >>Which, you being a "pressman" you would know that. >>Your no more a pressman than I am photosuper whoever. >> >>You cry babies can complain all you want and trash >>whomever, but, bottom line is, the Trib's color has >>not changed one bit. >> >> >> >>>Wow, you seem to know a lot about this issue! And yet >>>you imply that it is the pressman who is screwing up >>>the Trib's color. How misinformed! What was that you >>>wrote? "If you don't know what you're talking about, >>>don't speak." How dare you continue to insult the >>>pressman! >>> >>>Your comments read like they came from someone "in >the >>>know" and a very defensive someone at that. The >Trib's >>>Total Inking Limit is only known by a handful of >>>people. You must be one of those few. And I doubt >that >>>you would be a pressman. That would be my occupation. >>>So, what does that make you? Oh, a photo tech! >Perhaps >>>a former chief photo tech who recently quit >>>coincidentally just about the same time that the >color >>>consistently improved? >>> >>>My copies of the Trib for the last month or so look >>>better than ever. Now that may be subjective but, >your >>>Honor, I calls it like I sees it. >>> >>>>Sorry folks, the color is just the same. It's hit or >>>>miss as it has always been. Beattie was not the >>>>problem. >>>> >>>>As far as Photoshop controlling the ink density, it >>>>does to a degree, but ultimately it comes down to >the >>>>pressman running the ink on the press. >>>> >>>>A standard TIL, or Total Ink Limit, which is set in >>>>Photoshop for web offset presses is between 250 - >>270. >>>>The Trib runs a 350 TIL and the color is still light >>>>and inconsistent across the page. Gotta love keyless >>>>inking. >>>> >>>>With that being said, if Photoshop did truly and >>>>completely control the ink output with it being set >>at >>>>350, you would have over saturation and pages that >>>>would take days to dry. >>>> >>>>If you don't know what you're talking about, don't >>>>speak. >>>> >>>>>I agree! What graybar? The man behind the problem >is >>>>>gone, the graybar is gone and now the color looks >>>>>better than it has for a couple of years. >>>>> >>>>>>"Take a look at the graybar at the bottom of the >>>page >>>>>>next time repro is bad. If it is not uniform, you >>>got >>>>>>an early run paper" -when did you work on a press? >>>>>>Graybars are a thing of the past. Photshop >dictates >>>>>>inking, plain and simple. Presses nowadays reach >>>peak >>>>>>speed under 300 copies. >>>>>>"No matter what you do in Photoshop, the pressmen >>>>will >>>>>>make it worse." -what an insult to the press pros >>in >>>>>>our business! No wonder you no longer work with >>>>>>presses (as you alluded)! >>>>>> >>>>>>>I have worked with presses. (Not for Trib.) I can >>>>>tell >>>>>>>you that no matter what you do in Photoshop, the >>>>>>>pressmen will make it worse. Especially during >the >>>>>>>initial run. Bad color reproduction is not a good >>>>>>>reason to stop the press, and it takes some time >>to >>>>>>>adjust and get it right. I can't remember a time >>it >>>>>>>was spot on at startup. Heck, I can't remember it >>>>>>>being spot on halfway through the run. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Take a look at the graybar at the bottom of the >>>page >>>>>>>next time repro is bad. If it is not uniform, you >>>>got >>>>>>>an early run paper, and it has nothing to do with >>>>>>>Photoshop. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Okay, I am a Trib photographer. What I can tell >>>you >>>>>>is >>>>>>>>that photoshop does dictate how much ink goes on >>>>the >>>>>>>>press. So your apparent speculation is correct! >>>>>>>>

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