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>Thanks for calling things as they are. W, W, W and >Wrong again is a Trib photo wannabe who will never be. >Just as photostarsuperboy found out, all the self >promotion in the would will do nothing, you still have >to have talent. > >>"Nope, not what I said." That's right, you implied it >>like Inkie stated! >> >>"No blame there, it's a simple fact." Ever consider >>becoming a politician? >> >>"Your no more a pressman than I am photosuper >>whoever." Let's start with "your." (You're) obviously >>no more a writer than superphotofragilistic whoever >>was a pressman. >> >>So, you are not a pressman and you are not a writer. >>You must be the only newspaper delivery boy who knows >>all about the Trib's photoshop produced Total Ink >>Limit! And a very defensive paperboy at that! >> >>By the way, my Trib's color reproduction also has been >>superb for the past month. Gotta love keyless inking! >> >> >>>"And yet you imply that it is the pressman who is >>>screwing up the Trib's color." >>> >>>Nope, not what I said, I said "...but ultimately it >>>comes down to the pressman running the ink on the >>>press." >>> >>>There is no blame there, it's a simple fact, they >have >>>the ultimate control over the amount of ink hitting >>>the page >>> >>>Which, you being a "pressman" you would know that. >>>Your no more a pressman than I am photosuper whoever. >>> >>>You cry babies can complain all you want and trash >>>whomever, but, bottom line is, the Trib's color has >>>not changed one bit. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Wow, you seem to know a lot about this issue! And >yet >>>>you imply that it is the pressman who is screwing up >>>>the Trib's color. How misinformed! What was that you >>>>wrote? "If you don't know what you're talking about, >>>>don't speak." How dare you continue to insult the >>>>pressman! >>>> >>>>Your comments read like they came from someone "in >>the >>>>know" and a very defensive someone at that. The >>Trib's >>>>Total Inking Limit is only known by a handful of >>>>people. You must be one of those few. And I doubt >>that >>>>you would be a pressman. That would be my >occupation. >>>>So, what does that make you? Oh, a photo tech! >>Perhaps >>>>a former chief photo tech who recently quit >>>>coincidentally just about the same time that the >>color >>>>consistently improved? >>>> >>>>My copies of the Trib for the last month or so look >>>>better than ever. Now that may be subjective but, >>your >>>>Honor, I calls it like I sees it. >>>> >>>>>Sorry folks, the color is just the same. It's hit >or >>>>>miss as it has always been. Beattie was not the >>>>>problem. >>>>> >>>>>As far as Photoshop controlling the ink density, it >>>>>does to a degree, but ultimately it comes down to >>the >>>>>pressman running the ink on the press. >>>>> >>>>>A standard TIL, or Total Ink Limit, which is set in >>>>>Photoshop for web offset presses is between 250 - >>>270. >>>>>The Trib runs a 350 TIL and the color is still >light >>>>>and inconsistent across the page. Gotta love >keyless >>>>>inking. >>>>> >>>>>With that being said, if Photoshop did truly and >>>>>completely control the ink output with it being set >>>at >>>>>350, you would have over saturation and pages that >>>>>would take days to dry. >>>>> >>>>>If you don't know what you're talking about, don't >>>>>speak. >>>>> >>>>>>I agree! What graybar? The man behind the problem >>is >>>>>>gone, the graybar is gone and now the color looks >>>>>>better than it has for a couple of years. >>>>>> >>>>>>>"Take a look at the graybar at the bottom of the >>>>page >>>>>>>next time repro is bad. If it is not uniform, you >>>>got >>>>>>>an early run paper" -when did you work on a >press? >>>>>>>Graybars are a thing of the past. Photshop >>dictates >>>>>>>inking, plain and simple. Presses nowadays reach >>>>peak >>>>>>>speed under 300 copies. >>>>>>>"No matter what you do in Photoshop, the pressmen >>>>>will >>>>>>>make it worse." -what an insult to the press pros >>>in >>>>>>>our business! No wonder you no longer work with >>>>>>>presses (as you alluded)! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have worked with presses. (Not for Trib.) I >can >>>>>>tell >>>>>>>>you that no matter what you do in Photoshop, the >>>>>>>>pressmen will make it worse. Especially during >>the >>>>>>>>initial run. Bad color reproduction is not a >good >>>>>>>>reason to stop the press, and it takes some time >>>to >>>>>>>>adjust and get it right. I can't remember a time >>>it >>>>>>>>was spot on at startup. Heck, I can't remember >it >>>>>>>>being spot on halfway through the run. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Take a look at the graybar at the bottom of the >>>>page >>>>>>>>next time repro is bad. If it is not uniform, >you >>>>>got >>>>>>>>an early run paper, and it has nothing to do >with >>>>>>>>Photoshop. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Okay, I am a Trib photographer. What I can tell >>>>you >>>>>>>is >>>>>>>>>that photoshop does dictate how much ink goes >on >>>>>the >>>>>>>>>press. So your apparent speculation is correct! >>>>>>>>>

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