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Date Posted: 13:46:25 04/09/08 Wed
Author: I. P. O. Casionally
Subject: Re: Yellow Shame
In reply to: I.P. Freely 's message, "Re: Yellow Shame" on 20:50:50 04/06/08 Sun

Okay, you've been trying to downplay his influence. What say you quit generalizing and provide CONCRETE EXAMPLES for the class?

>You're right, he is a one-man freak show.
>
>But back to the point of the original poster,
>extramarital affairs and a "welcome home, Beauregard"
>sign have nothing to do with his ownership of a
>newspaper or the quality of the people working for it.
>
>Obviously, sending a reporter into the Allegheny
>National Forest looking for Russians, on the
>otherhand, does.
>
>So sure you can go on and on with examples of super
>duper bizarre antics, but how much of what you can
>testify to actually relates to the Tribune-Review news
>product and its employees compromising their integrity?
>
>My agrument isn't that Scaife isn't weird, it's that
>his direct influence on the news product is sometimes
>dramatically overstated just to make Trib employees
>look like incompetent fools who've compromised every
>moral thought they ever had.
>
>And you have these seventh hand stories about Scaife
>mandating that this story and that photo can't run on
>A1, and this reporter has to go into the ANF looking
>for paratroopers, etc. Do I think there is some truth
>to some of them? Yes. But maybe, just maybe, some of
>them are nothing but tall tales or extreme
>exaggerations, right?
>
>
>>I would say that Scaife's antics are super duper
>>bizarre and would be difficult to understate. Like the
>>time during their continuing divorce battle, Scaife
>>had his wife's dog, Beauregard, stolen out of the her
>>back yard and then erected a sign in his front yard a
>>block away that read "Welcome home, Beauregard", to
>>taunt her. Or the time he had a reporter looking for
>>Russian soldiers in the Allegheny National Forest.
>>Should I go on. I can, endlessly!
>>
>>>Yeah...like talking off your clothes and barking at
>>>the moon, or doing the same thing in my living room.
>>>
>>>One is bizarre. One is super duper bizarre. There are
>>>levels. Quit reading the dictionary, that's boring.
>>>
>>>>"Scaife's bizarre antics (while bizarre) are
>>>>tremendously
>>>>overstated"
>>>>
>>>>bizarre - conspicuously or grossly unconventional or
>>>>unusual
>>>>
>>>>overstated - represented as greater than is true or
>>>>reasonable
>>>>
>>>>Hmmm, can bizarre be overstated?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>This post is so full of over-the-top bs and gummed
>>up
>>>>>by the bizarre 'wear sunscreen' crap that it almost
>>>>>shouldn't be taken seriously. Almost. After all,
>>it's
>>>>>April Fool's Day.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a former Trib staff writer and left for greener
>>>>>pastures. In this post and many others, Scaife's
>>>>>bizarre antics (while bizarre) are tremendously
>>>>>overstated and the shame really is on the dolt who
>>>>>wrote this.
>>>>>
>>>>>There was, is and will continue to be good
>>>journalists
>>>>>writing at the Trib (frequently scooping the hell
>>out
>>>>>of the PG). Examples? Did you happen to read their
>>>>>organ transplant coverage? Remind me again what is
>>>the
>>>>>last really great series the PG ran.
>>>>>
>>>>>Scaife ain't the first lunatic with an agenda to
>own
>>>a
>>>>>newspaper, and he won't be the last. So their
>>>>>editorial pages may make them laughingstocks more
>>>than
>>>>>occasionally.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sometimes those antics do have a sad impact on news
>>>>>judgment, but not nearly like has been described
>>>here.
>>>>>Does it influence what story or photos makes it to
>>>>>page 1 sometimes? Yeah. I'm sure that's only
>>happened
>>>>>at the Trib.
>>>>>
>>>>>And what the hell did Dave Copeland and the rest of
>>>us
>>>>>morally upright folks who chose to leave find out
>>>>>about REAL LIFE, that getting a book published and
>>>>>getting a book published that sells are two
>>>strikingly
>>>>>different things?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>This was initially going to be a comment in reply
>>to
>>>>>>the post:
>>>>>>Top Ten Reasons Scaife Loves the Clintons -- D.
>>>>>>Letterman
>>>>>>But after reading the 2 references below, I got so
>>>>>>pissed off that I felt it necessary to write
>>another
>>>>>>post. >>>>>>href="http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s
>_
>>5
>>>5
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>>>>>6
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>>>>>>59659.html

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>>>>>>I worked at the Trib but left in disgust a couple
>>of
>>>>>>years ago, although due to the necessary
>withdrawal
>>>>>>and purging process, it seems like yesterday.
>>>>>>So this is a note to the Tribbers. It is by
>>>>>>coincidence that it reads like 'Wear Sunscreen',
>>>>>>written by Mary Schmich, a columnist for the
>>Chicago
>>>>>>Tribune and wrongly attributed to Kurt Vonnegut.
>>>>>>There is life outside of the Trib. Real LIFE! Ask
>>>>some
>>>>>>of those who have moved on such as Dave Copeland,
>>or
>>>>>>the anonynous fellow who in reaction to this:
>>>>(from)--
>>>>>> >>>>>>href="http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.asp
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>>>>>d
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>>>>>>"In the final days of the 2000 presidential
>>>campaign,
>>>>>>Pittsburgh Tribune-Review publisher Richard Mellon
>>>>>>Scaife, a longtime conservative activist, ordered
>>>all
>>>>>>photographs and prominent mentions of Democratic
>>>>>>presidential candidate Al Gore removed from the
>>>front
>>>>>>page of the paper. As a result, the paper’s
>>>>>>pre-election Sunday edition had a front page
>>>>featuring
>>>>>>George W. Bush in every campaign-related headline
>>>and
>>>>>>photograph. A story about a Gore rally held in
>>>>>>Pittsburgh, originally slated to run alongside a
>>>Bush
>>>>>>piece on the front page, was moved to the inside
>of
>>>>>>the paper. According to an account in the
>>Pittsburgh
>>>>>>Post-Gazette. Tribune-Review managing editor
>Robert
>>>>>>Fryer ‘tried to dissuade Scaife but was
>>overruled.’"
>>>>>>-Did this:
>>>>>>"One of Scaife's reporters was so pissed he broke
>>it
>>>>>>to the competition. When Gore was campaigning in
>>>>>>Pittsburgh against Bush and the Trib put his photo
>>>on
>>>>>>the front page, Scaife called and reamed them out
>>>and
>>>>>>told them in no uncertain terms that only Bush
>>>>>>pictures were to be on the front page of his
>>>>>>newspaper."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Those, my Trib friends, are real journalists.
>Those
>>>>>>left behind, YOU, are just the same as Tammy Sue
>>>>>>Vasco. She, of Walt's Motel fame.
>>>>>>You are engaged in the same profession as Tammy
>>>Sue.
>>>>>>Make no mistake. Morally and ethically, you do the
>>>>>>same bidding. Scaife's bidding.
>>>>>>Sing.
>>>>>>Accept certain inalienable truths:
>>>>>>Politicians and newspapermen will philander.
>>>>>>You, too, will get old.
>>>>>>And when you do, you'll fantasize that when you
>>>>>>were young, politicians and newspapermen were
>>noble.
>>>>>>And then you will remember. It was you who allowed
>>>>>>this to happen.
>>>>>>Floss.
>>>>>>Don't expect anyone else to support you.
>Especially
>>>>>>Scaife. Stick your finger into the winds blowing
>on
>>>>>>Martindale St.
>>>>>>Holy shit, one day it's Bush, next day it's
>>>Hillary.
>>>>>>Dance.
>>>>>>Don't try to figure it out. With Scaife no real
>>>logic
>>>>>>applies. Only one thing is important and remember
>>>>>>this, it is your integrity that is at stake.
>>>>>>Hillary speaks civilly to Scaife and he is
>>>>immediately
>>>>>>smitten, abandoning years of hated? Or could it be
>>a
>>>>>>simple childish reaction since it has become known
>>>>>>that his ex-wife supports Obama.
>>>>>>Stretch.
>>>>>>You have become Scaife's enablers. I do not wish
>to
>>>>>>call names. My only wish is to have you consider
>>>what
>>>>>>I am trying to say so that you may look outside of
>>>>>>your box and perhaps realize that you have some
>>hard
>>>>>>questioning to do of yourselves. Wake up and save
>>>>>>yourselves.
>>>>>>As others have boldly said before me, it is time
>to
>>>>>>jump ship.
>>>>>>Get plenty of calcium.
>>>>>>Scoff and laugh at me but the truth remains,
>Scaife
>>>>is
>>>>>>a hollow child without real conviction. He is
>>driven
>>>>>>by revenge apparently due to deep seated childhood
>>>>>>trauma because of his cold and sarcastic,
>alcoholic
>>>>>>mother, Sarah.
>>>>>>Or maybe:
>>>>>> >>>>>>href="http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?
>s
>>h
>>>o
>>>>w
>>>>>t
>>>>>>opic=11403">http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/inde
>x
>>.
>>>p
>>>>h
>>>>>p
>>>>>>?showtopic=11403

>>>>>>Read post 2 on this site. Scary!
>>>>>>Travel.
>>>>>>You are part of Scaife's insane world. Without his
>>>>>>dependable minions, YOU, he would not be able to
>>>>>>function as he does.
>>>>>>You can NOT consider yourselves to be journalists
>>>and
>>>>>>be part of Scaife's lunacy.
>>>>>>Scream all you want and beat the hell out of me
>but
>>>>at
>>>>>>the same time, look into your soul and decide what
>>>>how
>>>>>>you wish others to see and judge you and how you
>>>>judge
>>>>>>yourselves.
>>>>>>Don't mess too much with your hair.
>>>>>>I sickens me to see my ex-fellow journalists at
>the
>>>>>>Trib smoozing and a--kissing anything Scaife comes
>>>up
>>>>>>with.
>>>>>>I was going to mention those that I am
>particularly
>>>>>>sickened with but you know the cast of characters,
>>>>>>from Frank Craig on down to the wanna-be phototech
>>>>who
>>>>>>would sell his soul to gain recognition from
>>Scaife.
>>>>>>Research Scaife's life. Lot's of stuff on the WWW.
>>>>>>Get out while you still have a soul.
>>>>>>But trust me on the sunscreen.

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