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Date Posted: 05:58:07 04/02/09 Thu
Author: sp?
Subject: Re: Scaife -Kangas Death Anniversary
In reply to: Dili Gent 's message, "Re: Scaife -Kangas Death Anniversary" on 21:51:26 04/01/09 Wed

OK, then.

>I stand by my message but if you choose a little
>diversion, here goes. Just remember, you started this.
>
>"I don't really understand how it is that people"
>-clean, clear, concise -Much better to write, "I don't
>understand." "Really" is totally unnecessary.
>
>"How it is?" This phrase adds nothing to the sentence
>so it is also unnecessary!
>
>"I don't really understand how it is that people want
>to have serious conversations on this forum." Try this
>for clarity, "I don't understand that people want to
>have serious conversations on this forum."
>
>"On this forum, and riddle" "And riddle?" Did you mean
>their comments are riddled with errors. "And riddle
>their comments with," implies that the errors were
>intentional. They weren't. In haste, I goofed.
>
>"With errors -- and then" What is with the "errors --
>and?"
>How about a simple comma after errors?
>
>"You do realize that part of a journalist's job is to
>be able to construct a sentence, don't you?" Basically
>this asks two questions when only one question would
>do. Either, "You do realize that part of a
>journalist's job is to be able to construct a
>sentence," or Don't you realize that part of a
>journalist's job is to be able to construct a
>sentence?"
>
>"I'm sorry, but." This begs the question, "why would
>you be sorry?"
>
>"But I happen to judge intelligence." Let me get this
>straight, you "happen" to judge intelligence, or do
>you mean you judge intelligence? You "happen" to use a
>lot of unnecessary words in your writing.
>
>"So you can call me." And, so, or, perhaps you may
>choose to start a sentence with those words although
>there should be a good compelling reason to do so. The
>key, if you must, should be to do so very
>infrequently.
>
>"You can't even write." Why not, "you can't write?"
>(clean, clear, concise!)
>
>"And, as far as your "fodder", you basically
>cut-and-copied an old post, and bring nothing new to
>the discussion." What-old-post-did-I-cut-and-copy? Was
>this forum around 10 years ago?
>
>"P.S.: God, I hope you misspelled "faltering" on
>purpose. Or that you're posting from England." 1 -I am
>not God. 2 -Why would you hope that I misspelled a
>word? 3 -"Or that you're posting from England." Does
>this grouping of words even remotely resemble a
>sentence?
>
>I have to hand it to you, you must be a great writer
>because as Isaac Asimov said, "A good writer can break
>any rule."
>
>>I don't really understand how it is that people want
>>to have serious conversations on this forum, and
>>riddle their comments with errors -- and then expect
>>to be taken seriously. You do realize that part of a
>>journalist's job is to be able to construct a
>>sentence, don't you? I'm sorry, but I happen to judge
>>intelligence based on someone's ability to spell. So
>>you can call me whatever you want. Your opinion isn't
>>really breaking my heart right now. You can't even
>>write.
>>And, as far as your "fodder", you basically
>>cut-and-copied an old post, and bring nothing new to
>>the discussion. If you think there's something going
>>on, well, then. Assuming you work at a newspaper, why
>>don't you just do a story about it, whatever you
>>determine "it" is.
>>P.S.: God, I hope you misspelled "faltering" on
>>purpose. Or that you're posting from England.
>>
>>>Yeah, I also wrote "10 years since the anniversary."
>>>Sorry I don't have my own Trib Kiddie to proofread
>for
>>>me.
>>>
>>>But I can handle your takedown. What bothers me is
>>>that I gave you all that fodder and your retort is
>>>concerned with a stupid misspelling.
>>>
>>>No wonder papers are faultering -too many reporters
>>>like you waiting in the wings to hang your comrades
>>>for goofy infractions instead of doing something of
>>>substance.
>>>
>>>It's been 10 years since Kangas died. Duggan's and
>his
>>>suspicious deaths have all but been forgotten. Scaife
>>>is still at the helm of the biggest propaganda
>machine
>>>in history. And you, Mr. Reporter, are making
>pathetic
>>>grammar school jokes about a stupid mistake.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ah, if only someone was more diligent about his
>>>>spelling. Homocide? Are you trying to accuse Scaife
>>of
>>>>something you'd like to share with the class?
>>>>
>>>>>It's been 10 years since the anniversary of Steve
>>>>>Kangas's death, perhaps suicide, perhaps homocide.
>>>>>Kangas ran a liberal website, critical of
>>>>>conservatives, including Dick Scaife. Interesting
>>man
>>>>>and story.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just throwing this out there since I don't recall
>>>many
>>>>>follow ups except for a post on this site from
>2005:
>>>>> >>>>>href="http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2005/
>1
>>1
>>>/
>>>>s
>>>>>teve_kangas_st_1.htm">http://www.seeingtheforest.co
>m
>>/
>>>a
>>>>r
>>>>>chives/2005/11/steve_kangas_st_1.htm
Perhaps
>an
>>>>>enterprising soul may be interested in having their
>>>>>paper do a follow up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Kangas's body was found, sitting slumped on a
>toilet
>>>>>with a gunshot wound to the head, on the 39th
>floor,
>>>>>60 ft. from the door of the Pittsburgh offices of
>>>none
>>>>>other than Dick Scaife. No above ambient gun powder
>>>>>residue was found on his hands. Deputy Police Chief
>>>>>Charles Moffett said the suicide/homocide was
>"under
>>>>>investigation in the homicide section," at the
>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>"This isn't the first time Scaife has been linked
>to
>>>a
>>>>>strange suicide: in 1973 former mentor and close
>>>>>friend Pittsburgh District Attorney Robert Duggan,
>>>>>under Federal investigation for Mob payoffs, was
>>>found
>>>>>shot to death with a shotgun bearing no
>>>fingerprints."
>>>>>He "shot himself on his hidden farm property on the
>>>>>day the grand jury returned the indictment for
>>>>>corruption." "Scaife had cut all ties with Duggan,
>>>who
>>>>>had married Scaife's sister Cordelia shortly before
>>>>>his death." -Chris Potter, Managin Editor, of the
>>>>>Pittsburgh City Paper, 1999
>>>>>
>>>>>Really interesting story by PG's John Craig on
>>>Sunday,
>>>>>March 28, 1999 with the sub-head:
>>>>>Dick Scaife couldn't keep his probe of Kangas a
>>>secret
>>>>> >>>>>href="http://www.post-gazette.com/forum/19990328edc
>r
>>a
>>>i
>>>>g
>>>>>4.asp">http://www.post-gazette.com/forum/19990328ed
>c
>>r
>>>a
>>>>i
>>>>>g4.asp

>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting also is a summary of Scaife's scandals
>>on
>>>>>Kangas's website from -well, from 1999 or prior to
>>>>>1999. Interesting that it is still online.
>>>>>Head lined with -Myth: There’s no "vast right wing
>>>>>conspiracy" to get Clinton.
>>>>>Fact: Richard Mellon Scaife and the Republican
>>>>>Establishment have poured millions into the effort.
>>>>>(some excepts)
>>>>>In 1997, Scaife donated $550,000 to Judicial Watch,
>>>>>whose director, Larry Klayman, has filed 18
>lawsuits
>>>>>against the Clinton Administration. (10)
>>>>>
>>>>>Scaife also assigned one of his newspaper’s
>>>reporters,
>>>>>Christopher Ruddy, to a full-time, ongoing
>>>>>investigation into the deaths of Vince Foster and
>>Ron
>>>>>Brown, trying to find evidence that the Clintons
>>>>>murdered them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Scaife also gave $2.4 million to American Spectator
>>>>>magazine. This money went to create the "Arkansas
>>>>>Project," a massive investigation trying to dig up
>>>>>dirt on Clinton’s past. The Arkansas Project gained
>>>>>notoriety when it was revealed that David Hale, the
>>>>>only Whitewater witness who claimed personal
>>>knowledge
>>>>>of Clinton’s wrong-doing, had been paid at least
>>>>>$5,000 by Parker Dozhier, one of operatives of the
>>>>>Arkansas Project. Parker’s girlfriend and her
>>17-year
>>>>>old son both claim they saw Parker give
>Scaife-money
>>>>>to Hale on numerous occasions. When reporters
>>>>>confronted Parker, he warned that the 17-year old
>>son
>>>>>"was destined to become a chalk outline somewhere."
>>>>>Alarmed by such threats and prospects of witness
>>>>>tampering, the Justice Department has ordered an
>>>>>investigation, the results of which are yet to be
>>>>>revealed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Scaife has also given $450,000 over three years to
>>>the
>>>>>Independent Women’s Forum. (13) This is a
>>>>>media-booking agency that heavily seeds female
>>>>>conservative pundits into the media. (This is an
>>>>>attempt to reduce the "gender gap" that Democrats
>>>>>enjoy in the polls.) The IWF has given generous
>>>public
>>>>>support to Paula Jones in her lawsuit. In fact, one
>>>>>IWF pundit, Ann Coulter, heard at least one of the
>>>>>Linda Tripp tapes before it even reached Ken Starr.
>>>>>This proved that she was deeply involved with the
>>>>>Paula Jones’ camp (who received the tapes first),
>>>even
>>>>>though she was pretending to be an objective
>>>>>commentator on the scandal in the media.
>>>>>
>>>>>But perhaps most alarming is Scaife’s ties to
>>>>>independent prosecutor Kenneth Starr. Starr’s
>>>>>conflicts of interest are almost too numerous to
>>>>>mention. Early on, Starr had been given an
>>open-ended
>>>>>job offer as the dean of Pepperdine University’s
>>>>>Schools of Law and Public Policy. At first, Starr
>>>>>planned to accept the job after finishing his
>>>>>investigation. But it turns out this school is a
>>>heavy
>>>>>recipient of Scaife money, and the resulting media
>>>>>scandal finally convinced Starr to refuse the job.
>>>But
>>>>>the appearance of Scaife attempting to pay off
>Starr
>>>>>for getting Clinton lingers.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are many other connections between the two
>>men.
>>>>>Between 1988 and 1996, Scaife gave $3 million to
>the
>>>>>conservative Washington Legal Foundation, where
>>Starr
>>>>>sits on the board. Scaife also gave $920,000 to the
>>>>>Federalist Society, a conservative legal
>>organization
>>>>>where Starr is a member. Scaife donated $650,000 to
>>>>>the Landmark Legal Foundation between 1992 and
>1996;
>>>>>Starr has done work for this organization, which
>has
>>>>>helped Paula Jones in her lawsuit. (15) Starr also
>>>>>prepared a legal brief for the Paula Jones lawsuit
>>on
>>>>>behalf of the Independent Women’s Forum, which is
>>>>>substantially funded by Scaife.
>>>>>
>>>>>Scaife’s personality profile is similarly
>>>interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>>Pat Minarcin knows Scaife well, after serving as
>one
>>>>>of his magazine editors. "He [Scaife] has the
>>>>>emotional maturity of a very angry 12-year-old, and
>>>he
>>>>>has all this money and he can do whatever he wants
>>>>>with it," says Minarcin. While the magazine was
>>>>>operating, "[Scaife] presented a list of people who
>>>he
>>>>>wanted the magazine to attack, a kind of enemies
>>>>>list." Minarcin eventually resigned.
>>>>>(Kiddies -still want to argue that the Trib is
>>>>>non-biased with no direct control of content by
>>>>>Scaife?)
>>>>>
>>>>>It’s also well-known that Scaife is obsessed with
>>>>>proving that Vince Foster’s suicide was actually a
>>>>>murder. He goes so far as to call his death "the
>>>>>Rosetta Stone of the Clinton administration." But
>>>why?
>>>>>Scaife’s history is revealing. In the 1960s, he
>>>>>financially supported Robert Duggan as a candidate
>>>for
>>>>>district attorney. The two men angrily parted
>>company
>>>>>after Duggan came under investigation for
>>corruption.
>>>>>To make matters worse, Duggan then eloped with
>>>>>Scaife’s sister, Cordelia. A few months later,
>>Duggan
>>>>>was found dead, apparently by suicide. But the
>>>shotgun
>>>>>used was found several feet away from Duggan’s
>body,
>>>>>and it had no fingerprints.
>>>>>
>>>>>Another interesting site:
>>>>> >>>>>href="http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/steve.htm"
>>
>>h
>>>t
>>>>t
>>>>>p://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/steve.htm


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