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Date Posted: 19:43:44 04/05/09 Sun
Author: Spelling and Moore
Subject: Re: Scaife -Kangas Death Anniversary
In reply to: sp? 's message, "Re: Scaife -Kangas Death Anniversary" on 15:46:18 04/05/09 Sun

"Lemme ask you:" "What do you do?" "What do you do?" One word bastardized and a sentence repeated, what do I do. I guess I cut sp? a break.

>Well, you sure told me. You guys crack me up.
>Lemme ask you: Two resumes. One has the word
>"homicide" misspelled. The other doesn't. What do you
>do? What do you do?
>I guess you cut them a break.
>
>>I found the Kangas piece quite fascinating. Mysteries
>>have a timeless quality about them, don't you think?
>>As to waiting for anniversaries to write about them --
>>well, I suspect it has to do with a paper's sense of
>>obligation to revist such things at such times.
>>Really, though, a good story is a good story.
>>
>>Referring to your own message, I see that you judge
>>intelligence based on someone's ability to spell. You
>>probably don't know that Hemingway had trouble
>>spelling. I guess he couldn't write either.
>>
>>I don't judge that way. I don't even judge
>>intelligence by the ability to punctuate correctly. If
>>I did, what would I make of the way you punctuated
>>"fodder" in your own message?
>>
>>And in another of your postings, you call yourself a
>>jerk. I must admit you nailed that one. And a
>>small-minded one, at that. By the way, how do you feel
>>about people who wash their hands every 15 minutes or
>>so?
>>
>>
>>
>>>I don't really understand how it is that people want
>>>to have serious conversations on this forum, and
>>>riddle their comments with errors -- and then expect
>>>to be taken seriously. You do realize that part of a
>>>journalist's job is to be able to construct a
>>>sentence, don't you? I'm sorry, but I happen to judge
>>>intelligence based on someone's ability to spell. So
>>>you can call me whatever you want. Your opinion isn't
>>>really breaking my heart right now. You can't even
>>>write.
>>>And, as far as your "fodder", you basically
>>>cut-and-copied an old post, and bring nothing new to
>>>the discussion. If you think there's something going
>>>on, well, then. Assuming you work at a newspaper, why
>>>don't you just do a story about it, whatever you
>>>determine "it" is.
>>>P.S.: God, I hope you misspelled "faltering" on
>>>purpose. Or that you're posting from England.
>>>
>>>>Yeah, I also wrote "10 years since the anniversary."
>>>>Sorry I don't have my own Trib Kiddie to proofread
>>for
>>>>me.
>>>>
>>>>But I can handle your takedown. What bothers me is
>>>>that I gave you all that fodder and your retort is
>>>>concerned with a stupid misspelling.
>>>>
>>>>No wonder papers are faultering -too many reporters
>>>>like you waiting in the wings to hang your comrades
>>>>for goofy infractions instead of doing something of
>>>>substance.
>>>>
>>>>It's been 10 years since Kangas died. Duggan's and
>>his
>>>>suspicious deaths have all but been forgotten.
>Scaife
>>>>is still at the helm of the biggest propaganda
>>machine
>>>>in history. And you, Mr. Reporter, are making
>>pathetic
>>>>grammar school jokes about a stupid mistake.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ah, if only someone was more diligent about his
>>>>>spelling. Homocide? Are you trying to accuse Scaife
>>>of
>>>>>something you'd like to share with the class?
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's been 10 years since the anniversary of Steve
>>>>>>Kangas's death, perhaps suicide, perhaps homocide.
>>>>>>Kangas ran a liberal website, critical of
>>>>>>conservatives, including Dick Scaife. Interesting
>>>man
>>>>>>and story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just throwing this out there since I don't recall
>>>>many
>>>>>>follow ups except for a post on this site from
>>2005:
>>>>>> >>>>>>href="http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2005
>/
>>1
>>>1
>>>>/
>>>>>s
>>>>>>teve_kangas_st_1.htm">http://www.seeingtheforest.c
>o
>>m
>>>/
>>>>a
>>>>>r
>>>>>>chives/2005/11/steve_kangas_st_1.htm
Perhaps
>>an
>>>>>>enterprising soul may be interested in having
>their
>>>>>>paper do a follow up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kangas's body was found, sitting slumped on a
>>toilet
>>>>>>with a gunshot wound to the head, on the 39th
>>floor,
>>>>>>60 ft. from the door of the Pittsburgh offices of
>>>>none
>>>>>>other than Dick Scaife. No above ambient gun
>powder
>>>>>>residue was found on his hands. Deputy Police
>Chief
>>>>>>Charles Moffett said the suicide/homocide was
>>"under
>>>>>>investigation in the homicide section," at the
>>time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"This isn't the first time Scaife has been linked
>>to
>>>>a
>>>>>>strange suicide: in 1973 former mentor and close
>>>>>>friend Pittsburgh District Attorney Robert Duggan,
>>>>>>under Federal investigation for Mob payoffs, was
>>>>found
>>>>>>shot to death with a shotgun bearing no
>>>>fingerprints."
>>>>>>He "shot himself on his hidden farm property on
>the
>>>>>>day the grand jury returned the indictment for
>>>>>>corruption." "Scaife had cut all ties with Duggan,
>>>>who
>>>>>>had married Scaife's sister Cordelia shortly
>before
>>>>>>his death." -Chris Potter, Managin Editor, of the
>>>>>>Pittsburgh City Paper, 1999
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Really interesting story by PG's John Craig on
>>>>Sunday,
>>>>>>March 28, 1999 with the sub-head:
>>>>>>Dick Scaife couldn't keep his probe of Kangas a
>>>>secret
>>>>>> >>>>>>href="http://www.post-gazette.com/forum/19990328ed
>c
>>r
>>>a
>>>>i
>>>>>g
>>>>>>4.asp">http://www.post-gazette.com/forum/19990328e
>d
>>c
>>>r
>>>>a
>>>>>i
>>>>>>g4.asp

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Interesting also is a summary of Scaife's scandals
>>>on
>>>>>>Kangas's website from -well, from 1999 or prior to
>>>>>>1999. Interesting that it is still online.
>>>>>>Head lined with -Myth: There’s no "vast right wing
>>>>>>conspiracy" to get Clinton.
>>>>>>Fact: Richard Mellon Scaife and the Republican
>>>>>>Establishment have poured millions into the
>effort.
>>>>>>(some excepts)
>>>>>>In 1997, Scaife donated $550,000 to Judicial
>Watch,
>>>>>>whose director, Larry Klayman, has filed 18
>>lawsuits
>>>>>>against the Clinton Administration. (10)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scaife also assigned one of his newspaper’s
>>>>reporters,
>>>>>>Christopher Ruddy, to a full-time, ongoing
>>>>>>investigation into the deaths of Vince Foster and
>>>Ron
>>>>>>Brown, trying to find evidence that the Clintons
>>>>>>murdered them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scaife also gave $2.4 million to American
>Spectator
>>>>>>magazine. This money went to create the "Arkansas
>>>>>>Project," a massive investigation trying to dig up
>>>>>>dirt on Clinton’s past. The Arkansas Project
>gained
>>>>>>notoriety when it was revealed that David Hale,
>the
>>>>>>only Whitewater witness who claimed personal
>>>>knowledge
>>>>>>of Clinton’s wrong-doing, had been paid at least
>>>>>>$5,000 by Parker Dozhier, one of operatives of the
>>>>>>Arkansas Project. Parker’s girlfriend and her
>>>17-year
>>>>>>old son both claim they saw Parker give
>>Scaife-money
>>>>>>to Hale on numerous occasions. When reporters
>>>>>>confronted Parker, he warned that the 17-year old
>>>son
>>>>>>"was destined to become a chalk outline
>somewhere."
>>>>>>Alarmed by such threats and prospects of witness
>>>>>>tampering, the Justice Department has ordered an
>>>>>>investigation, the results of which are yet to be
>>>>>>revealed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scaife has also given $450,000 over three years to
>>>>the
>>>>>>Independent Women’s Forum. (13) This is a
>>>>>>media-booking agency that heavily seeds female
>>>>>>conservative pundits into the media. (This is an
>>>>>>attempt to reduce the "gender gap" that Democrats
>>>>>>enjoy in the polls.) The IWF has given generous
>>>>public
>>>>>>support to Paula Jones in her lawsuit. In fact,
>one
>>>>>>IWF pundit, Ann Coulter, heard at least one of the
>>>>>>Linda Tripp tapes before it even reached Ken
>Starr.
>>>>>>This proved that she was deeply involved with the
>>>>>>Paula Jones’ camp (who received the tapes first),
>>>>even
>>>>>>though she was pretending to be an objective
>>>>>>commentator on the scandal in the media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But perhaps most alarming is Scaife’s ties to
>>>>>>independent prosecutor Kenneth Starr. Starr’s
>>>>>>conflicts of interest are almost too numerous to
>>>>>>mention. Early on, Starr had been given an
>>>open-ended
>>>>>>job offer as the dean of Pepperdine University’s
>>>>>>Schools of Law and Public Policy. At first, Starr
>>>>>>planned to accept the job after finishing his
>>>>>>investigation. But it turns out this school is a
>>>>heavy
>>>>>>recipient of Scaife money, and the resulting media
>>>>>>scandal finally convinced Starr to refuse the job.
>>>>But
>>>>>>the appearance of Scaife attempting to pay off
>>Starr
>>>>>>for getting Clinton lingers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are many other connections between the two
>>>men.
>>>>>>Between 1988 and 1996, Scaife gave $3 million to
>>the
>>>>>>conservative Washington Legal Foundation, where
>>>Starr
>>>>>>sits on the board. Scaife also gave $920,000 to
>the
>>>>>>Federalist Society, a conservative legal
>>>organization
>>>>>>where Starr is a member. Scaife donated $650,000
>to
>>>>>>the Landmark Legal Foundation between 1992 and
>>1996;
>>>>>>Starr has done work for this organization, which
>>has
>>>>>>helped Paula Jones in her lawsuit. (15) Starr also
>>>>>>prepared a legal brief for the Paula Jones lawsuit
>>>on
>>>>>>behalf of the Independent Women’s Forum, which is
>>>>>>substantially funded by Scaife.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scaife’s personality profile is similarly
>>>>interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pat Minarcin knows Scaife well, after serving as
>>one
>>>>>>of his magazine editors. "He [Scaife] has the
>>>>>>emotional maturity of a very angry 12-year-old,
>and
>>>>he
>>>>>>has all this money and he can do whatever he wants
>>>>>>with it," says Minarcin. While the magazine was
>>>>>>operating, "[Scaife] presented a list of people
>who
>>>>he
>>>>>>wanted the magazine to attack, a kind of enemies
>>>>>>list." Minarcin eventually resigned.
>>>>>>(Kiddies -still want to argue that the Trib is
>>>>>>non-biased with no direct control of content by
>>>>>>Scaife?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It’s also well-known that Scaife is obsessed with
>>>>>>proving that Vince Foster’s suicide was actually a
>>>>>>murder. He goes so far as to call his death "the
>>>>>>Rosetta Stone of the Clinton administration." But
>>>>why?
>>>>>>Scaife’s history is revealing. In the 1960s, he
>>>>>>financially supported Robert Duggan as a candidate
>>>>for
>>>>>>district attorney. The two men angrily parted
>>>company
>>>>>>after Duggan came under investigation for
>>>corruption.
>>>>>>To make matters worse, Duggan then eloped with
>>>>>>Scaife’s sister, Cordelia. A few months later,
>>>Duggan
>>>>>>was found dead, apparently by suicide. But the
>>>>shotgun
>>>>>>used was found several feet away from Duggan’s
>>body,
>>>>>>and it had no fingerprints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Another interesting site:
>>>>>> >>>>>>href="http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/steve.htm
>"
>>>
>>>h
>>>>t
>>>>>t
>>>>>>p://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/steve.htm


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