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| Subject: British and Canadian Police Misconduct | |
Author: Sicatra [Edit] |
Date Posted: 10:37:12 06/09/09 Tue HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN TO THE POLICE THEIR EVIL MISCONDUCT? VOLUNTEERS WELCOME TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH OTHERS: BEWARE OF RACIST COWARD TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE USING WALL SEE THROUGH TECHNOLOGIES AND AUDIO LISTENING IN DEVICES IN CONNIVANCE WITH NEIGHBOURS TO DEHUMANIZINGLY HARASS ASIANS IN THEIR HOMES WAILING SIRENS FROM OUTSIDE EACH TIME ASIANS MAKE ANY LIVING BODY MOVEMENTS IN THEIR OWN AND RENTED HOMES, WAKING, SLEEPING, GOING TO TOILET, EATING, PRAYING, ETC, FOR WOMEN AND MEN. TERRORIZING BRITISH POLICE ARE ABUSING THEIR UNIFORMS HARASSING ASIAN WOMEN AND MEN, YOUNG AND OLD, TO CREATE DISTURBANCE IN ASIANS LIVES THROUGH THE UNCOUTH RACISM AND JEALOUSY OF LOW CLASS TERRORIST BASTARD BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE HAVING NOTHING EKSE TO DO AND CREATING PURPOSEFUL HARASSMENT ABUSING THEIR STINKING UNIFORMS THROUGH SADISTIC BULLYING AGAINST HUMANS WHO ARE BETTER THAN THE LOW CLASS SCUMBAGS BRITISH AND CANADIAN TERRORIST POLICE. THE TERRORIST WHITE RACISTS FORGET THAT THEY ROAMED AS UNCIVILIZED NAKED WILD SAVAGES IN THE FORESTS WHILE ASIANS WERE FAR BETTER CIVILIZED AND CULTURED OVER MANY YEARS OF ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS THAT HAVE HELD AND NOT CRUMBLED AS THE WESTERN CIVILIZATIONS. GRABBING MATERIAL WEALTH THROUGH TWISTING THE WORD THROUGH APPLICATION OF EVIL SCHEMING INTELLECT AND COVETING AND SCREWING OTHER COUNTRIES RESOURCES THROUGH RESOURCE SNATCHING THROUGH WARS, ARM TWISTING BUSINESSES AND GUTLESS BOOTLICKERS IS NOT SUCCESS NOR EVERYTHING IN LIFE. THEIR BRUTE FORCE METHODS, GREEDY ALGORITHMS, GRREDY CAN OF WORMS, AND INFILTRATING INTO OTHERS PRIVACY METHODOLOGIES REFLECTS THEIR INNER UGLY CARICATURES EVEN IF OUTERLY SUGAR COATED AND ATTRACTIVE. THESE GO AGAINST THE VERY TEACHINGS OF THE SCRIPTURES. ADDITIONALLY THE TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE ARE WAILING SIRENS TO PROVOKE ASIAN MALES WHEN ASIAN WOMEN GO TO TOILET IN THEIR PRIVATE HOMES AND APARTMENTS IN A PATTERN OF A WOLVES COMING OUT OF NOWHERE SUDDENLY TO WAIL SIRENS AND THEN FOLLOWING A PATTERN OF SILENCE WHILE THE ASIAN LADIES ARE NOT IN TOILET. IT HAS BEEN OBSERVED EACH TIME THE SIRENS ARE WAILIED THERE IS NO EMERGENCY. FURTHERMORE, THE TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE ARE IN CONNIVANCE WITH THEIR RACIST STOOGES TO HONK CARS WHEN THE TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE ARE UNABLE TO WAIL SIRENS WHEN ASIAN LADIES GO TO BATHROOM. THIS SHOWS THE INHERENT RACISM OF THE TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE PORTRAYING A NON-RACIST IMAGE OF THEMSELVES. THE BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE AND THEIR RACIST STOOGES ARE COMMITTING SEXUAL HARASSMENT OF ASIAN WOMEN AND MEN. RACIAL HARASSMENT IS SERIOUS AND CAUSES ANGER, FEAR, DEPRESSION, CONFUSION, HELPLESSNESS, PHYSICAL AND MENTAL ILLNESSES AFFECTING RELATIONSHIPS OF PEOPLE AT HOME AND WORK. RACISM MEANS DISRUPTION OF FREEDOM. ANTI-CHRIST RACISTS AND THE RACIST POLICE BEHAVING RACISTLY COMMIT PRIVACY AND INFORMATION THEFT, BEHAVING AS CRIMINALS. TERRORIST UK AND CANADA POLICE HARASSMENT OF PEOPLE IS SERIOUS DISRUPTION OF FREEDOM AND CAUSES ANGER, FEAR, DEPRESSION, CONFUSION, HELPLESSNESS, PHYSICAL AND MENTAL ILLNESSES AFFECTING RELATIONSHIPS OF PEOPLE AT HOME AND WORK. ANTI-CHRIST POLICE THEMSELVES COMMIT INFORMATION AND PRIVACY THEFT, BEHAVING AS CRIMINALS. THE TERRORIST RACIST WHITE POLICE AND THEIR COLORED GUTLESS INSIDERS-INFORMERS EMPOWER THEM TO ABUSE THEIR POWER AND HARASS PEOPLE. BEWARE OF UGLY STINKING LOW CLASS DISHONEST RACIST ANTI-CHRIST TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE - PUBLIC SERVANTs IN STINKING UNIFORMS SURVIVING ON PULIC TAX PAYERS MONEY, BEHAVING AS RACIST WHITE SCUM-BAGS AND THE UGLY STINKING LOW CLASS RACIST WHITE DISHONEST ANTI-CHRIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN NEIGHBORS BOTH COMMITTING THE SERIOUS CRIME OF PRIVACY THEFT THROUGH ILLEGAL USE OF AUDIO AND WALL-SEE-THROUGH DEVICES IN OTHERS HOMES AND HACKING OF ONLINE INTERNET AND EMAIL AND LANDLINE AND CELL PHONES AND THEFT OF OFFLINE COMPUTER HARD-DRIVES USING EMR AND KEYLOGGER TECHNOLOGIES FROM NEIGHBORHOOD AND CARS OUTSIDE TO ILLEGALLY INFILTRATE INTO PRIVATE OFFLINE PERSONAL COMPUTERS HARD DRIVES IN PEOPLES HOMES. THE TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE CANNOT BEAR TO BE WATCHED AND THEIR UGLY ANTI-CHRIST DEEDS EXPOSED. THEY FORGET DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OHTERS DO UNTO YOU. EVEN EDITING THESE LINES ON OFF-LINE COMPUTERS ALARMS THE EVIL DOERS AS THEIR UGLY DEEDS ARE BEING EXPOSED AND CAUSES THEM TO WAIL SIRENS. WATCH THE BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE: DISHONEST RACIST ANTI-CHRIST TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE IN STINKING UNIFORMS PERPETUATE RACISM IN CONNIVANCE WITH RACIST ANTI-CHRIST WHITE DISHONEST BRITISH AND CANADIAN NEIGHBORS TO ILLEGALLY AND UNWARRANTEDLY USE WALL SEE THROUGH TECHNOLOGY, AUDIO LISTENING IN DEVICES, EMR VAN ECK PHREAKING EQUIPMENT, AND INTERNET, EMAIL, AND LANDLINE AND CELLPHONE TELEPHONE HACKING AGAINST ASIANS IN THEIR HOMES THROUGH WAILING SIRENS FROM OUTSIDE FOR EVERY LIVING BODY MOVEMENT OF ASIANS IN THEIR HOMES. INTERNET AND COMPUTER HACKING AND INFILTRATING INTO OTHERS PRIVACY IS A SERIOUS CRIME. THEY WAIL SIRENS AND HAVE THEIR INSIDERS IN CARS CREATE SOUND DISTURBANCE OF ACCELERATING AND HONKING AND NEIGHBORS BANGING DOORS AND THROWING THINGS EACH TIME THE EXPOSERS OF THEIR UGLY DEEDS MAKE LIVING MOVEMENTS AT HOME EVEN AT NIGHT AND DAY, EVEN DURING TOSSING AND TURNING IN BED, AND EVEN IN TOILET. THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THE ANTI-CHRIST DISHONEST RACIST TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE IS TO DISHONESTLY MAINTAIN LAW AND ORDER THROUGH ENSURING THAT THE RACIST WHITE DISHONEST BRITISH SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DEHUMANIZINGLY DISTURB, INTIMIDATE, AND HARASS ASIAN MEN AND WOMEN IN THEIR HOMES AND ON STREETS, SHOPS, AND PUBLIC TRANSPORT THROUGH THE ILLEGAL USE OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES WITH POLICE CONNIVANCE AND TO INTIMIDATE, HARASS, DISTURB, AND PROVOKE ASIANS WHO REFUSE TO TOLERATE THIS ILLEGAL NONSENSE OF DISHONEST RACIST ANTI-CHRIST TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADAIN POLICE IN CONNIVANCE WITH DISHONEST RACIST ANTI-CHRIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN NEIGHBORS REFLECTING THEIR VAMPIRE CULTURE DEVOID OF INTEGRITY. THEY FORGET THAT 'HE WHO LIVES BY THE SWORD DIES BY THE SWORD' - 'THOSE WHO PERPETUATE VAMPIRE CULTURE WILL DIE BY THE VAMPIRE CULTURE'. ABUSING AND DISRESPECTING PRIVACY IS A HEINOUS CRIME. THE CONCEPT BEING PREACHED IS THAT 'WHY DOES ANYONE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT PRIVACY IF THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG'. THIS IS THE ANTI-CHRIST WAYS OF INFILTRATING SCUMBAGS TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE. WHY DOES ANYONE NEED PRIVACY?: WHY DOES EVERYONE DRESS? WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE GO NAKED? LACK OF PRIVACY IS SAME AS WALKING EVERYWHERE NAKED AS A STREAKER! ARE THE TERRORIST BRITISH POLICE PREACHING THE CONCEPT OF EVERYONE BECOMING STREAKERS - NAKED UNCIVILIZED PEOPLE EVERYWHERE IN UK AND CANADA? JUST SO THE TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE CAN RETAIN THEIR ABUSE OF POWER THROUGH PROCLAIMING AN INFLATED, MANUFACTURED, FALSE, SELF-INITIATED SELFISH CONCEPTS OF SO-CALLED TERROR THREATS AND GAME PLAYING WAILING SIRENS AS EMPTY VESSELS MAKING MORE NOISE IN THEIR ILLEGAL ATTEMPT TO CREATE SOCIAL CONTROL THAT IS MAINLY A SOCIAL NUISANCE. THE POLICE AUTHORIZE UNCOUTH RACIST WHITE NEIGHBORS TO CREATE A SMOKE SCREEN FOR THE POLICE TO WAIL SIRENS AND NEIGHBORS TO CREATE LOUD DISTURBANCE AT APPROPRIATE TIMES CORRESPONDING TO ASIANS WORKING ON THEIR OFFLINE COMPUTERS, CONNECTING TO INTERNET, MAKING PHONE CONVERSATIONS ON LANDLINE AND CELLPHONES, AND WHILE EATING, SLEEPING, TOILET, WORKING, LOOKING OUT THE WINDOWS, OPENING CLOSING CURTAINS AND BLINDS, SWITCHING ON AND OFF LIGHTS, ETC. THE RACIST WHITE BRITISH AND CANADIANS ARE FULL OF INFERIORITY COMPLEX THEMSELVES DUE TO THEIR IMPROPER UPBRINGING THAT IS REFLECTED IN THEIR WHITE RACIST SCUMBAG BEHAVIOUR OF INHERENT RACIAL INTOLERANCE OF THE ASIANS IN CONNIVANCE WITH RACIST WHITE SCUMBAG POLICE. ABUSING PRIVACY AND HARASSING HUMANS - LIVING CREATURES OF GOD, IS HARMFUL TO MIND, BODY AND SOUL. THUS, THE TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADAIN POLICE HAVE BECOME THE PERFECT ANTI-CHRIST. THEY WILL BE DEBARRED FROM THE KINGDOM OF GOD. EVADING TACTICS SUCH AS WHERE IS GOD, ETC, WILL NOT ABSOLVE THEM OF THEIR SINS AND THE BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED FOR THEIR HEINOUS CRIMES OF ABUSING PRIVACY. THE TERRORIZING BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE ARE ADDITIONALLY USING HIDDEN LONG-DISTANCE CAMERAS FROM STRATEGIC POSITIONS TO TARGET THOSE WHO EXPOSE THEIR UGLY DEEDS. USING THESE CAMERAS, THEY BEAM THE VIDEO IMAGES TO THEIR POLICE CARS ROAMING WASTEFULLY WITH THEIR BACKS TO THE TARGETTED PEOPLE. AFTER THEIR AFOREMENTIONED UGLY DEEDS WERE EXPOSED, THEY PRETENDED NOT TO BE COWARDS THROUGH AVOIDING ROAMING WITH THEIR BACKS TO THE TARGETTED PEOPLE AND INSTEAD APPROACHING FROM FRONT. HOWEVER, THE FACT THAT THEY ARE COMMITTING THEIR HEINOUS CRIMES OF VIOLATING OTHER HUMANS PRIVACY THROUGH EVIL MEANS AND INSIDER INFORMERS AMID NEIGHBORS REFLECTS THEIR COWARDICE AND STILL MAKES THEM ABSOLUTE LOW CLASS COWARDS COWARDS COWARDS COWARDS. COWARDS ARE A SHAMEFUL DISGRACE FOR HUMANITY. THUS, THE TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE ARE THE ANTI-CHRIST COWARDS HARASSING THOSE WHO EXPOSE THE UGLY DEEDS OF POLICE HARASSMENT AND INVASION INTO PRIVACY OF PEOPLE AT HOME AND WORK, THROUGH VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE AUDIO AND VIDEO DEVICES, WALL SEE THROUGH TECHNOLOGIES, OFFLINE COMPUTER HACKING USING KEY LOGGERS AND ELECTRO MAGNETIC RADIATION (EMR) EQUIPMENT TO RETRIEVE IMAGES OF ANYTHING BEING TYPED ON PERSONAL COMPUTERS OFFLINE AT HOME AND WORK, AS WELL AS ONLINE COMPUTER HACKING THROUGH THE INTERNET, THROUGH ILLEGAL ACCESS UNDER THE FALSE PRETEXT OF SURVEILLANCE AND PROTECTION AND SECURITY, THEREBY VIOLATING PEOPLES HUMAN RIGHTS AND PRIVACY, INVADING THEIR LIVES AND CREATING DISTURBANCE AND HARASSMENT THAT WILL WEIGH HEAVILY UPON THEM IN THE JUDGMENT OF THE ALMIGHTY LORD OF CREATION THAT LEAVES NO WRONGS GO UNPUNISHED EVER! http://www.policeuniformshame.blogspot.com http://the-bastard.com/index.php?section=3&page=454 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/05/g20-protest-ian-tomlinson?commentpage=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSv4XZSR5ZI http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024365.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6V3oUoffCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N3ySmBP5ds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnhiRS37eFc http://www.religionnewsblog.com/4750 http://www.religionnewsblog.com/4750/police-officers-racist-shame http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/edmonton_police.html http://www.gopetition.com/msgboard.php?catid=11&petid=2523&isearch= http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/03/afa-cowards.html http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/22/racist-cop-uses-uk-t.html http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Law/Question538287.html http://www.privacyhackers.blogspot.com http://www.ukcorruptiontoday.com/index_files/page0019.htm http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&q=police+harassment&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=Q9L0Sf7YKKSOjAf-ya23DA&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title# http://www.countercurrents.org/uk-ingram120805.htm http://www.articlearchives.com/international-relations/national-security/1790326-1.html http://www.urban75.org/photos/photographers-protest.html http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/08/145937.php http://yourprivacyandyou.webs.com/Your%20privacy,%20Your%20Personal%20Information%20and%20You.ppt http://www.ephotozine.com/topic/t-54561 http://clearerchannel.org/drupal/?q=aggregator/sources/9 http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/997-untamed-atrocity-qcreative-destructionq-at-work-in-baghdad.html http://www.mcb.org.uk/media/presstext.php?ann_id=53 http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a430.asp http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2224 hhttp://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/aug2005/race-a12.shtml http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/257693.stm http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=15457 http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog/about/dont-let-police-intimidate-you-20090414 http://digg.com/world_news/How_British_Police_Are_Criminalizing_Peaceful_Protest http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090416150247AA1Ts4l http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.british/2007-02/msg00097.pdf http://www.just-a-regular-guy.com/2009/01/12/british-police-turn-tail-and-run-from-islamic-protesters/ http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/7n7bs/british_police_set_to_step_up_hacking_of_home_pcs/ Burke, J. and Warren, P. 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David Zweig and Kristyn Scott (2007) When unfairness matters most: supervisory violations of electronic monitoring practices Human Resource Management Journal, Vol 17, no 3, 2007, pages 227–247 THE EXPOSURE OF THE UGLY DEEDS OF THE TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE HAS PUNCHED THE TERRORIST BRITISH AND CANADIAN POLICE THAT IS REFLECTED IN THEIR SCREAMING WAILING SIRENS AND USING THEIR INSIDER INFORMERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO INFILTRATE INTO INTERNET AND HONK CAR HORNS AND TALK LOUDLY IN NEIHGBORHOOD HACKING INTERNET EACH TIME THEIR UGLY DEEDS OF USING WALL SEE THROUGH TECHNOLOGIES, AUDIO LISTENING DEVICES, LANDLINE PHONES, CELLPHONES AND INTERNET HACKING ARE BEING EXPOSED. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: If you can’t love a god who lets anyone suffer forever | |
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://www.tentmaker.org) [Edit] |
Date Posted: 07:40:33 04/22/08 Tue If you cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you can copy and paste (if necessary) the following urls into the address bar and find out that a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation. THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD If necessary, copy and paste the following url into the address bar. http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm At the top and bottom of that same THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD page, there is the following link to fourteen other writings in the same series that are related to this same subject. http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE by James Coram | |
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/) [Edit] |
Date Posted: 06:08:57 11/16/07 Fri HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE by James Coram The introduction at the beginning of each chapter is not the chapter itself. You must click on the highlighted title of each chapter to bring up the entire chapter to read it. Each chapter is quite long and comprehensive. The “danger” in preaching the truth resides only in the imagination of the person who doesn’t understand the truth. The online book “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” by James Coram needs no defense. It stands on its own merit. It has helped many people. It will help many more. Most comments and questions regarding this book are responded to within the writing itself, for example, “WHAT ARE CORRECT TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE?” A frequent response to first learning about the existence of this book is, “You believe the words of men, but we believe the Bible.” But the actual reading of, “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” by James Coram will prove to all readers that JUST THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. IMHO, "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" by James Coram is the most powerful of all of the dozens of books that I have read, the hundreds of tapes that I have listened to, and the many online articles that I have read that show that a correctly, (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation. (I am 69 years old) In fact, to me it is so powerful that it renders all arguments to the contrary completely irrelevant to the truth that it proves that, by the time God’s plan for the ages of time has been consummated, the universal salvation of all sinful creatures from everything from which they need to be saved, most certainly, will have occurred. It can be read in its entirety online at http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html Or, it can be Googled up by typing in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE It has seventeen chapters, each chapter having its own highlighted heading followed by a short introduction. Just click on the highlighted heading and the entire text of that chapter will appear. Since I have read many writings, the sum total of which probably contain every argument in existence in support of the idea that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation, I am confident that if anyone were to read "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" in it's entirety, they would change their mind about their belief that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation. However, as a friend recently reminded me, one must be disposed of the Ultimate Placer to receive any revelation; it’s all about Sovereign causes & effects. Or as Ralph Waldo Emerson put it, “People only see what they are prepared to see” From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada “That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28 Write to me personally at rodgertutt@sympatico.ca My website is http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Why are you and I having faith in Jesus for salvation? | |
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/) [Edit] |
Date Posted: 06:08:05 11/16/07 Fri SELF-HELP SALVATION AND PRIDE By James Coram, director of THE CONCORDANT PUBLISHING CONCERN Some Christians think that the gaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Other Christians think that the maintaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Yet other Christians think that both the gaining and the maintaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Even though it be ever so small, many Christians think that their part (which becomes the most important part) is absolutely necessary for the success of their salvation. God’s part, they think, is not sufficient What everyone needs most is a willing heart and a change in their stubborn will. But many Christians think that at that point, just when we need Him the most, God lets us down. They think that He will not grant anyone a willing heart or effect a change in their stubborn will. This is something, they think, that they must supply on their own. Even if we have been graced to come to Jesus, we tend to suppose that this was thanks to ourselves. Indeed, many seem to become much more proud and self reliant after “conversion” than ever before. And they seek to cover this up through much ill-disguised religious parlance in which it is true that they do give much, but certainly not all the credit to God. For example, “The Lord did it all, after I let Him.” or “I could never be where I am today without His assistance.” This increase in pride is the result of having been subjected to such an abundance of human-independence teaching in an atmosphere in which it is continuously encouraged and reinforced, verified and justified with much approbation and exaltation. After all, such believers are sure that they, unlike others, have “made their decision for Christ.” And, they say, this has not occurred in the grace of God as a result of their having been chosen before the disruption of the world (even if the Scriptures do say so), but is the result and is thanks to their very own decision. Though others may far excel them in lesser things, when it comes to what is most important, they think it is obvious that they are superior. They think, “At least I was willing and sufficiently disciplined, for when it mattered the most I did the right thing and the switch got thrown, so people like me will go up to heaven while everyone else will go down to hell.” Just think of it. Picture this type of self-help salvation and pride. For all eternity (or at least for the ages) they will be able to say, “All those miserable sinners burning in hell could have gone to heaven too. Certainly the work of Christ saved no one at all. It wasn’t supposed to. All it did was make salvation possible. Besides, every one of those sinners deserves to be in everlasting burning, for unlike me, they didn’t do what they should have and could have. And here I am in eternal bliss, perfectly good and perfectly happy, even though billions of my fellow creatures are perfectly miserable and doomed to stay that way forever (or at least for the ages). Yet in the end I only got here myself because of what I did, not because of the sacrifice of Christ. I chose to meet God’s demands for His (so-called) free gift and I did so. I wasn’t given any special grace. It wasn’t any easier for me than for anyone else. It’s too late now anyway so let them burn. Too bad for them, but not for me. I’m happy and so is God. In fact we’re all happy here.” You see, that’s the ultimate selfishness of that view and that’s what it leads to. One can only avoid boasting in self by truly ceasing to believe things and say things that are inherently of a boastful nature. It is only the word of the cross that effectively and wisely trains us in this true humility so that “if anyone is boasting, in the Lord let him be boasting,” as Paul says. It is an empty gesture to go through the motions of giving all the glory to God, while at the same time continually believing that good decisions and acts are things which ultimately owe their existence to one’s own self, God having but made them possible. May He enlighten us to see truly that it is “in the grace of God that I am what I am.” After thought. Since the salvation of even one soul is 100% by God’s grace plus nothing, the salvation of all souls will be no problem for God at all according to His sovereign perfect timing for each individual. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: my testimony | |
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/) [Edit] |
Date Posted: 06:07:07 11/16/07 Fri MY TESTIMONY The idea that God lets any creature suffer endlessly has caused me more suffering than all other problems of my life combined. By the time I had reached the mission field I had hoped to have found a satisfactory answer that would justify God allowing this to happen. I didn't find such an answer. Surrounded by thousands of people, dozens of whom were dying every day and beginning an eternity of suffering in hell was too much for me. In 1966, at age 28 (I’m 69 now), it caused me to have a nervous breakdown. For several weeks I was confined to my bed in a state of terror night and day. The terror was caused by the fear of what a God I could not love or respect would do to me after I died. It took me twelve years to fully recover from the breakdown. I quickly became agnostic, for the Christian gospel and the Bible were no longer any comfort to me at all. Many evangelical friends tried to help me. They meant well, but in the end they all had only words of condemnation towards me. This added more suffering to my already intense suffering. Gradually I began to learn that there have been, in centuries past, and still are today, a few people in the world that see a different kind of God in the Bible. They see a God who will not let any creature suffer forever. They see a God in the Bible who will change every second of everyone's suffering into something better that it happened, including the sufferings of Satan. I learned that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. I read dozens of books, and listened to hundreds of tapes by men who believe this way and I gradually became converted to believing this way myself. Since 1981, through my newspaper ads and my telephone ministry, I have sent out many hundreds of packets of literature explaining why I believe as I do. I have also sent this evidence to hundreds of pastors and Bible school teachers. None of them have told me that they are able to refute it. I have also read eight books that were supposed to refute the evidence in favour of universalism, but none of them do. Because of this evidence, my panic attacks became less frequent until twelve years after my breakdown they ceased altogether. Now nothing gives me greater pleasure than to make this evidence available to others who have suffered because of the same problem I had, and I use a substantial amount of my money and time to this end. Because of the enormous amount of suffering the idea of "endless hell" causes in this world, I am asking you to consider the possibility that you should stop endorsing the idea that the Bible teaches it. Or, at least, let others know that there are (and have been in centuries past) people who do not think the Bible teaches it. Many of the responses from pastors and teachers range from a mild: "The majority don't agree with you so you must be wrong", to the vicious "For every week you leave your ad in the papers, God will increase the temperature of the fires of hell for you personally". Most are somewhere in between these remarks. But none have told me they are able to refute the evidence. And, until they can, they will not be able to stop me from sharing the good news that a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. My website is http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ A website that answers all the arguments that seem to support the idea that the Bible teaches endless suffering in hell is http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/ It is linked to the tentmaker site http://www.tentmaker.org/ where the “scholar’s corner” in the right hand column under “research” deals with every aspect of the subject. The search engine at the top of this same tentmaker page is very comprehensive regarding this subject. Just type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture verse and ten articles will appear that refute the endless hell and annihilation doctrines. Then click to the next page and ten more articles will appear, and so on and so on for many pages. I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle. You can Google up his testimony by typing in ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE Or you can copy and paste the following url into the address bar http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html You can access my forum through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt. It may well be that a few members or surfers of this form will be able to benefit from the testimonies of Charles and myself. May God's blessing rest with your spirit! From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada “That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28 http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ A website for those who suffer unbearable emotional distress over the idea that God lets anyone suffer forever. It contains my testimony, my son’s tribute, many links, many writings, two forums, a guest book, a chart, and a web ring. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Writings that were the CURE not the cause | |
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/) [Edit] |
Date Posted: 06:05:47 11/16/07 Fri My name is Rodger Tutt. I am 69 years old. I could have avoided a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78) had I known as a youth about the following information concerning what a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches. You can access my website through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt, or My website is http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ You can also access most of the following writings through Google by typing in the title. BOOKS THAT SHOW THAT THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION, THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF WHICH CAN BE READ ONLINE If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into the address bar. 0. ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST – Charles Slagle http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html 1. HOPE BEYOND HELL - Gerry Beauchemin (recently published) http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/index.html 2. CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm 3. THE BIBLE HELL - J.W. Hanson http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html 4. THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT – Thomas Thayer http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html 5. THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – Dr. Loyal Hurley http://www.tentmaker.org/books/infinitegrace.htm 6. JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN "HELL" - J. Preston Eby http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/hell.htm 7. ONE HUNDRED SCRIPTURAL PROOFS THAT JESUS CHRIST WILL SAVE ALL MANKIND - Thomas Whittemore http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html 8. TWENTY-FOUR SERMONS ON UNIVERSAL SALVATION – John Bovee Dods http://www.tentmaker.org/Bovee2.htm#Top 9. THE SECOND DEATH AND THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – Andrew Jukes http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm 10. ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY REASONS FOR BELIEVING IN THE FINAL SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND – Erasmus Manford http://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html 11. THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS – J. Patching http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.html 12. BIBLE TRANSLATIONS THAT DO NOT TEACH ETERNAL TORMENT – Gary Amirault http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html 13. AION – AIONIOS – John Wesley Hanson http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html 14. BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED – John Wesley Hanson http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html 15. THE CASE OF JUDAS, ETCETERA http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter16.html 16. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL – John Essex AND THE ROLE OF THE ADVERSARY – James Webb http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TheProblemofEvil.html 17. HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE – James Coram http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Why I believe the Bible teaches universal salvation | |
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/) [Edit] |
Date Posted: 06:04:29 11/16/07 Fri The people who want to keep believing that the Bible proves that everyone deserves to suffer forever in hell just because they were born into this world, or because they don’t make the “right” choice before it’s “too late,” or that God created beings with a will so strong that they can irreversibly choose themselves into a state of eternal torment - these people will keep believing it because they want to. But people who want to believe that the Bible nowhere supports such a concept of God will examine the evidence contained in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE at http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html And also here Information, and frequently asked questions in support of a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaching universal salvation, http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html copy and paste into address bar if necessary and they will learn that the Bible actually teaches universal salvation instead, not even annihilation. Or, they will go to the search engine at the top of http://www.tentmaker.org and will type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage. Ten articles will come up refuting the claim that the Bible teaches eternal torment. Then they may click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages. The many entries in my guestbook that is accessed towards the bottom of my front page at http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ and the many entries at http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm show just how much this information is helping people. This was the information that enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-68), and it gives me great joy to keep learning every day that it is helping more and more other people too!! I’m 69 I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: My tribute to Ray Prinzing | |
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/) [Edit] |
Date Posted: 06:03:12 11/16/07 Fri Ray Prinzing is my hero. His writings can be Googled up and read online. Just type in Ray Prinzing. During my twelve year nervous breakdown caused by my inability to emotionally cope with the idea that God lets any creature suffer forever in hell, every morning, as I washed my family’s dishes, I would listen to one of Ray Prinzing’s many tapes. I have listened to 178 of them several times, and 23 of them many times In addition to these tapes, I always read every issue of his periodical GOSPEL ECHOES which he later renamed LETTERS OF TRUTH and gleaned many pages of his writings into my personal journal. Many people have a hero, someone in their life that made a contribution to their welfare so significant that it is far above the influence that anyone else has had. Ray Prinzing is that hero to me. For several years my 95 year old dad called me from his nursing home each evening. Each time he called I read a portion of my over four thousand page journal to him, and many of these readings are the gleanings that I wrote from Ray Prinzing’s writings and tapes. Many nights my dad fell asleep listening to one of Ray’s tapes. As I listened to Ray’s tapes during my nervous breakdown (1966-78) I gradually became more and more sure that I was going to recover. The contents of his tapes gave me the courage, in 1978, to take a public stand that I believe that the Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. (I’m 69) My panic attacks completely stopped. And now I spend most of my time offering people, in various ways, the information that helped me recover and helps me stayed recovered. The current issues and many back issues of UNSEARCHABLE RICHES magazine (started in 1909) from the CONCORDANT PUBLISHING CONCERN, and the GRACE AND TRUTH magazine from England have both been a great help to me. In addition to Ray Prinzing’s tapes and writings there is one particular book and one particular set of tapes that have been very influential in my life. The book is A.E. Knoch’s ALL IN ALL. In spite of the claim that there are contradictions in it, and in spite of “cult-buster” Don Hewey’s other attempts to discredit it, (arguments to which Richard Condon has responded), ALL IN ALL remains, in my opinion, one of the best of all the many books that I have read in support of the Bible teaching universal transformation. Don Hewey is a believer in the inspiration of the King James Version. When he accuses A.E. Knoch of "contradicting the Bible," in many cases what he really means is that A.E. Knoch contradicts the KJV, because the Concordant Translation does not rely on the Received Text from which the KJV was translated. Don Hewey therefore also attacks the RSV, the NIV, and other modern translations. For this reason much of what Don writes just doesn't make any sense. As far as Knoch calling the life that Lazarus will be raised to as it being eonian and unending, it is both. Lazarus will have unending life and that life will allow him to live through the oncoming eons which is called '"eonian life." But even if Don Hewey’s criticisms had any merit, they would still not detract from the fact that this book IRREFUTABLY proves that the Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation. Richard Condon’s detailed rebuttal of Don Hewey’s criticisms of ALL IN ALL can be read at http://gtft.org/Library/condon/QuestionsWithoutAnswers.htm The tapes that I referred to are a set of eight 90 minute cassettes called HUMAN CHOICE AND THE DEITY OF GOD by James Coram. I have listened to this set of tapes several dozens of times and consider my knowledge of their content to be priceless. Both ALL IN ALL and the HUMAN CHOICE tapes can be obtained online at http://www.concordant.org/ Ray Prinzing has now passed on, but his influence is so wide spread that he will not be forgotten on this earth for many, many years, if ever. And that is a very good thing! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Ray Prinzing is my hero | |
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/) [Edit] |
Date Posted: 06:01:43 11/16/07 Fri GOOGLE UP RAY PRINZING TO READ SOME REALLY GREAT WRITINGS During my twelve year nervous breakdown caused by my inability to love a god who would allow anyone to suffer forever, I would listen to a Ray Prinzing tape while I washed the dishes of my family every day. Through the years that I repeatedly listened to these tapes I became more and more confident that that I was going to recover from my breakdown. In the opinion of Rodger Tutt of Toronto, Canada, the following are the best of all of Ray Prinzing’s taped sermons. I will list the very best of these best tapes on the next posting 6 CHRIST OUR MERCY SEAT 8 NO SUBSTITUTE 9 TRUST 16 SEE NO EVIL 29 THEREFORE CHOOSE LIFE 30 GOD’S WONDERFUL VENGEANCE 32 SUFFICIENT THE EVIL 35 CHANGING THY STRENGTH 36 AS KINGS AND PRIESTS 38 REVELATION TO REVELATION 42 THE TREE OF LIFE 48 KEPT IN PEACE 51 GOD’S RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENTS 55 ALLEGORY OF RACHEL 56 NONE SHALL BE LOST 59 REPENTANCE TOWARDS GOD 61 AND GOD REPENTED 63 THE END OF THE LORD 71 URGED ON BY FAITH 76 MINISTRY OF SALT 89 BLESSINGS REWARDED OR INHERITED 90 NO CONDEMNATION 95 NOT SOMEHOW BUT TRIUMPHANTLY 101 PASSING THROUGH 104 THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL 105 THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD 109 PLENTEOUS REDEMPTION 111 OF THE SAME LUMP 119 HELD TOGETHER BY LOVE 121 ESTABLISH THE SECOND 122 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART TWO 123 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART THREE 128 ADVANCE IN ADVERSITY 131 ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT 133 AFTER THE PRESSURES 134 THE POLISHED SHAFT 135 INTERNAL TRIUMPH 136 RECONCILED INTO HIMSELF 138 AT PEACE WITH YOUR CALLING 142 THE HIDDEN ONES 143 GOD’S GENTLENESS TO MAN 147 BEYOND DISCIPLINE 148 BEHOLDING HIM 149 DELIVERANCE 150 ENTER THY CHAMBERS 151 GOD OF THE VALLEY 152 GOD OF THE MOUNTAINS 153 IN QUIETNESS 154 IN CONFIDENCE 158 RENEWED INTO HIS MIND 160 EAT THE BOOK 161 HOLD FAST TO THE HEAD 162 THE SEVENTH MAN 164 SORROW TURNED INTO JOY 165 MAKE READY A PEOPLE 166 DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS 167 THE BIRTHRIGHT CHALLENGE 168 MY FATHER IS GREATER 169 HIS PARTICIPATING PRESENCE 170 CHANGES, TYRANNY OR BLESSING 171 TILL HE PLEASE 172 IN HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE 173 KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL 174 THE SWORD GUARDED WAY 175 THE HEAVENLY VISION 176 DEFEATING THE ACCUSERS 177 NEITHER TOIL NOR SPIN 178 THE LAW OF CIRCULARITY 180 HE THAT SHALL ENDURE 181 LIFT UP A STANDARD 183 MUCH MORE 186 WHEN GOD HIDES HIS FACE 187 FAITH VICTORIOUS 188 DIVINE CONFIRMATION 189 WAIT FOR WISDOM’S CHILDREN 190 GOD CHOSE OUR FATHERS 192 LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER 194 EARTHEN VESSEL SINKS 196 A VERY PRESENT HELP 197 A NEW COAT, YEAR BY YEAR 198 COME UP HITHER 199 UNDER HIS SHADOW 200 A HUSHED SECRET 201 EXPECTATION OF RIGHTEOUSNESS 202 RETURNING INTO GOD 203 PUT A DIFFERENCE 204 FROM EAST TO WEST 206 TIME OF YOUR SOJOURNING 207 HIS HAND IS STRETCHED OUT 208 WHAT SHALL I DO? 209 TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS 210 GIVE DILIGENCE 211 LIVING EPISTLES 215 THE LORD THY REARWARD 216 THE ANGER OF THE LORD 217 GOD APPOINTED HORIZONS 218 HOLD FAST TILL I COME 219 ACTIVELY RESTING 221 AN INNER REJOICING 222 BLESS ME INDEED 224 NO MORE ECCENTRIC 225 NOT A SPIRIT OF FEAR 226 FORGET NOT ALL HIS BENEFITS 227 AND SUDDENLY 228 THE HEAVENLY HOST ATTENDS 229 FIT FOR THE KINGDOM 230 JUDGEMENT UNTO VICTORY 231 GOD IS IN CONTROL 232 THE LORD OUR HELPER 233 OUR THREEFOLD JUDGEMENT 235 GOD COUNTED THE COST 236 THY LIFE FOR A PREY 237 THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS 238 FROM POVERTY TO RICHES 239 ABIDING IN GOD 240 PARTS OF HIS WAYS 241 CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST 242 MASTER OF MYSELF 243 ANOINTED EYE SIGHT 244 FAITH THAT OBTAINS 246 THE FURNACE FOR GOLD 247 RAISE UP THE FOUNDATION 248 SHALL PROSPER IN HIS HAND 250 INWARD REVELATION OF THE SON 251 KINGDOM LIFE TRANSFORMING 252 SO GROWS THE KINGDOM 253 AFTER YE HAVE SUFFERED 254 CHOSEN TO KNOW HIS WILL 255 HEALING THE BREACHES 256 OUR THREEFOLD RESURRECTION 257 A THORN FOR THE FLESH 258 THE MINISTRY OF WAITING 259 THERE IS A RIVER 267 HEARING, LEARNING, COMING 268 THE LORD ALWAYS BEFORE ME 269 HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED 270 GOLD IN THE MAKING 271 MAKE TO LACK, READY TO FILL 273 ACQUAINTED WITH THE ALMIGHTY 274 EACH IN HIS OWN RANK 278 GOD’S UNFINISHED WORK 280 FULLY PERSUADED 285 CONTINUALLY WITH HIM 286 SURRENDERED TO HIS LORDSHIP 295 TO RECONCILE ALL THINGS 296 INIQUITY SHALL HAVE AN END 297 OVERFLOW WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS 298 THINGS BELONGING TO PEACE 301 HIS DESIRE IS TOWARD ME 302 REFINED AS SILVER 303 AND GOD REMEMBERED 304 LOOSE THE PRISONER 305 ASPECTS OF SPIRITUAL LIFE 306 GOD’S INDWELLING CONTROL 307 OUT OF HIM WE CAME 308 GRACE UPON GRACE 309 JUDGEMENT RESTS FOR A LIGHT 310 HIS MERCY ENDURETH FOREVER 312 THE SURE MERCIES OF DAVID 315 THE DEVIL DESTROYED 316 TOTAL AVAILABILITY 317 VIEWING THE THIRD DAY 326 KINGDOM AUTHORITY 339 GOD SO LOVED HE GAVE 340 NO MORE EXACTORS 342 WORSHIP CREATURE OR CREATOR 352 BUT GOD MUCH MORE 371 THE RICHES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS 374 REVELATION A POSITIVE BOOK 375 THE CITY ENLARGED 377 HIS TABERNACLE IS WITH MEN 379 GOD’S GREAT SECRET CHRIST 383 THE LAMB UNSEALS THE BOOK 385 FREEDOM OF THE GLORY 387 ESTABLISHED BY GRACE 386 YESTERDAY, TODAY, FOREVER 390 FIRE IN REDEMPTION’S PLAN 393 WE PREACH CHRIST 398 POSSESSED BY CHRIST 401 THE AIM OF INSTRUCTION 405 FATHER GAVE ME A COMMANDMENT 408 EAGLE VISION [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: The best of the best of the Ray Prinzing tapes | |
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/) [Edit] |
Date Posted: 06:00:06 11/16/07 Fri GOOGLE UP RAY PRINZING TO READ SOME REALLY GREAT WRITINGS Ray Prinzing’s very best, and his two extra good tapes. 30 GOD’S WONDERFUL VENGEANCE 101 PASSING THROUGH 104 THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL 109 PLENTEOUS REDEMPTION 123 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART THREE 138 AT PEACE WITH YOUR CALLING 215 THE LORD THY REARWARD 216 THE ANGER OF THE LORD 217 GOD APPOINTED HORIZONS 226 FORGET NOT ALL HIS BENEFITS 230 JUDGEMENT UNTO VICTORY 232 THE LORD OUR HELPER 235 GOD COUNTED THE COST (extra good) 236 THY LIFE FOR A PREY 237 THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS 248 SHALL PROSPER IN HIS HAND 255 HEALING THE BREACHES 295 TO RECONCILE ALL THINGS 315 THE DEVIL DESTROYED 339 GOD SO LOVED HE GAVE 352 BUT GOD MUCH MORE 385 FREEDOM OF THE GLORY 387 ESTABLISHED BY GRACE (extra good) [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Response to "ARE YOU REALLY A CHRISTIAN?" | |
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/) [Edit] |
Date Posted: 05:58:22 11/16/07 Fri To the extent that anyone is able to successfully measure up to the "qualifications" listed on that post, why do you think that is so? SELF-HELP SALVATION AND PRIDE By James Coram, director of THE CONCORDANT PUBLISHING CONCERN Some Christians think that the gaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Other Christians think that the maintaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Yet other Christians think that both the gaining and the maintaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Even though it be ever so small, many Christians think that their part (which becomes the most important part) is absolutely necessary for the success of their salvation. God’s part, they think, is not sufficient What everyone needs most is a willing heart and a change in their stubborn will. But many Christians think that at that point, just when we need Him the most, God lets us down. They think that He will not grant anyone a willing heart or effect a change in their stubborn will. This is something, they think, that they must supply on their own. Even if we have been graced to come to Jesus, we tend to suppose that this was thanks to ourselves. Indeed, many seem to become much more proud and self reliant after “conversion” than ever before. And they seek to cover this up through much ill-disguised religious parlance in which it is true that they do give much, but certainly not all the credit to God. For example, “The Lord did it all, after I let Him.” or “I could never be where I am today without His assistance.” This increase in pride is the result of having been subjected to such an abundance of human-independence teaching in an atmosphere in which it is continuously encouraged and reinforced, verified and justified with much approbation and exaltation. After all, such believers are sure that they, unlike others, have “made their decision for Christ.” And, they say, this has not occurred in the grace of God as a result of their having been chosen before the disruption of the world (even if the Scriptures do say so), but is the result and is thanks to their very own decision. Though others may far excel them in lesser things, when it comes to what is most important, they think it is obvious that they are superior. They think, “At least I was willing and sufficiently disciplined, for when it mattered the most I did the right thing and the switch got thrown, so people like me will go up to heaven while everyone else will go down to hell.” Just think of it. Picture this type of self-help salvation and pride. For all eternity (or at least for the ages) they will be able to say, “All those miserable sinners burning in hell could have gone to heaven too. Certainly the work of Christ saved no one at all. It wasn’t supposed to. All it did was make salvation possible. Besides, every one of those sinners deserves to be in everlasting burning, for unlike me, they didn’t do what they should have and could have. And here I am in eternal bliss, perfectly good and perfectly happy, even though billions of my fellow creatures are perfectly miserable and doomed to stay that way forever (or at least for the ages). Yet in the end I only got here myself because of what I did, not because of the sacrifice of Christ. I chose to meet God’s demands for His (so-called) free gift and I did so. I wasn’t given any special grace. It wasn’t any easier for me than for anyone else. It’s too late now anyway so let them burn. Too bad for them, but not for me. I’m happy and so is God. In fact we’re all happy here.” You see, that’s the ultimate selfishness of that view and that’s what it leads to. One can only avoid boasting in self by truly ceasing to believe things and say things that are inherently of a boastful nature. It is only the word of the cross that effectively and wisely trains us in this true humility so that “if anyone is boasting, in the Lord let him be boasting,” as Paul says. It is an empty gesture to go through the motions of giving all the glory to God, while at the same time continually believing that good decisions and acts are things which ultimately owe their existence to one’s own self, God having but made them possible. May He enlighten us to see truly that it is “in the grace of God that I am what I am.” After thought. Since the salvation of even one soul is 100% by God’s grace plus nothing, the salvation of all souls will be no problem for God at all according to His sovereign perfect timing for each individual. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: ARE YOU REALLY A CHRISTIAN? | |
Author: Pahu [Edit] |
Date Posted: 15:01:41 09/13/07 Thu
Ø Not every one who says to Jesus, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but those who do the will of His Father in heaven. Many will say to Him, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name and in your name cast out devils and in your name done many wonderful works?” And then He will profess to them, “I never knew you: depart from me, you who practice lawlessness. (Mt. 7:21-23). Ø People honor Jesus with their lips, but their hearts are far from Him (Mk. 7:6). Ø They worship Him in vain, teaching for doctrine men’s rules (Mk. 7:7). Ø And exchanging His Ten Commandment Law for men’s traditions (Mk. 7:8). Ø Resisting sound doctrine to suit their own desires, they gather to themselves many teachers who will say what their itching ears want to hear (2 Tim. 4:3). Ø Turning their ears away from the truth, they embrace myths (2 Tim. 4:4). Ø “And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them” (Rom. 1:28-30). Ø They have a form of godliness, but deny its power, and we should have nothing to do with them (2 Tim. 3:5). Ø They are blind guides, and when the blind lead the blind, they all fall into the pit (Mt. 15:14). Ø For there is a way that seems right but ends in death (Pr. 14:12; 16:25). Ø And nearly everyone is going that way (Mt. 7:13). Ø For the whole world is deceived (Rev. 12:9). Ø Except the elect (Mt. 24:24). Ø But those who would enter eternal life must obey all ten of His Commandments (Mt. 19:17). Ø For it we disobey just one Commandment, we are lawbreakers and therefore sinners (Jas. 2:10). Ø For sin is the transgression of His Ten Commandment Law (1 Jhn. 3:4). Ø And the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Lord as well as our Savior (Rom. 6:23). Ø For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life (Jhn. 3:16). Ø And Christ is the resurrection and the life, and everyone who believes in Him will receive everlasting life (Jhn. 11:25). Ø If they obey Him (Jhn. 3:36 NASB). Ø For if we will repent (and be baptized) in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins, His Heavenly Father will forgive us and give us the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38). Ø And unless we have the Spirit of Christ, we do not belong to Him—and we are not Christians (Rom. 8:9). Ø And therefore we remain unredeemed sinners—and lost (Rom. 3:23). Ø We must repent or perish (Lk. 13:3,5). Ø And God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should repent (2 Pet. 3:9). Ø And every Christian does repent continually for the forgiveness of his sins, in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord as well as our Savior (1 Jhn. 1:9). Ø And obeys all ten of His Commandments, and remains faithful to Him (Rev. 12:17; 14:12). Ø Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, our Lord as well as our Savior (Rom. 8:1). Ø If they obey Him (Heb. 5:9) [From “Reincarnation in the Bible?” http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-12387-2] [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: for Bible believers who cannot love an endless-hell god | |
Author: Rodger Tutt [Edit] |
Date Posted: 12:41:24 08/23/07 Thu BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALIST RESOURSES Copy and paste the following url into the address bar http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE by James Coram | |
Author: Rodger Tutt [Edit] |
Date Posted: 06:48:14 04/25/07 Wed The introduction at the beginning of each chapter is not the chapter itself. You must click on the highlighted title of each chapter to bring up the entire chapter to read it. Each chapter is quite long and comprehensive. The “danger” in preaching the truth resides only in the imagination of the person who doesn’t understand the truth. The online book “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” by James Coram needs no defense. It stands on its own merit. It has helped many people. It will help many more. Most comments and questions regarding this book are responded to within the writing itself, for example, “WHAT ARE CORRECT TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE?” A frequent response to first learning about the existence of this book is, “You believe the words of men, but we believe the Bible.” But the actual reading of, “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” by James Coram will prove to all readers that JUST THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. IMHO, "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" by James Coram is the most powerful of all of the dozens of books that I have read, the hundreds of tapes that I have listened to, and the many online articles that I have read that show that a correctly, (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation. (I am 68 years old) In fact, to me it is so powerful that it renders all arguments to the contrary completely irrelevant to the truth that it proves that, by the time God’s plan for the ages of time has been consummated, the universal salvation of all sinful creatures from everything from which they need to be saved, most certainly, will have occurred. It can be read in its entirety online at http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html Or, it can be Googled up by typing in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE It has seventeen chapters, each chapter having its own highlighted heading followed by a short introduction. Just click on the highlighted heading and the entire text of that chapter will appear. Since I have read many writings, the sum total of which contain every argument in existence in support of the idea that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation, I am confident that if anyone were to read "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" in it's entirety, they would change their mind about their belief that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation. However, as a friend recently reminded me, one must be disposed of the Ultimate Placer to receive any revelation; it’s all about Sovereign causes & effects. Or as Ralph Waldo Emerson put it, “People only see what they are prepared to see.” From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada “That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28 Write to me personally at rodgertutt@sympatico.ca My website is http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Important End Times Info | |
Author: Aurora [Edit] |
Date Posted: 17:54:51 02/11/07 Sun The hourglass is nearly empty. The culmination of End Times is upon us and the Great Tribulation is just around the corner. There are a total of TWO things that you need in order to obtain Eternal Life and Man-Made Religion is not one of them. (1) A Good Heart Condition. (2) An Acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. We urge those who wish to obtain Eternal Life in Christ's Kingdom to read the following very important message: An Important End Times Message For additional End Times information also visit: End Times Truths Revealed And for Free End Times Newsletters visit: : Free End Times Newsletter Storefront We don’t aim to twist arms or convince anyone of anything they aren’t ready or willing to believe as their hearts will ultimately dictate what they perceive to be truth. However, it is also our responsibility to warn those who do not accept this Truth, will face Judgment at Armageddon. For this reason we pray that the eyes and hearts of all who read our message are opened to the Truth whether that is now, or in the near future when our words come to pass. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: my testimony | |
Author: Rodger Tutt [Edit] |
Date Posted: 14:56:37 01/24/07 Wed You can access my website through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt. Because my testimony is helping so many people, I am posting it here so it will stay on your front page for awhile if that's ok with you. The many entries in my guest book that is accessible towards the bottom of the front page on my site, and the many positive emails in my email file folders, show that the content of my testimony is helping many people. http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ (nothing for sale on this site) Or, you can access my website through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt. MY TESTIMONY The idea that God lets any creature suffer endlessly has caused me more suffering than all other problems of my life combined. By the time I had reached the mission field I had hoped to have found a satisfactory answer that would justify God allowing this to happen. I didn't find such an answer. Surrounded by thousands of people, dozens of whom were dying every day and beginning an eternity of suffering in hell was too much for me. In 1966, at age 28, it caused me to have a nervous breakdown. For several weeks I was confined to my bed in a state of terror night and day. The terror was caused by the fear of what a God I could not love or respect would do to me after I died. It took me twelve years to fully recover from the breakdown. I quickly became agnostic, for the Christian gospel and the Bible were no longer any comfort to me at all. Many evangelical friends tried to help me. They meant well, but in the end they all had only words of condemnation towards me. This added more suffering to my already intense suffering. Gradually I began to learn that there have been, in centuries past, and still are today, a few people in the world that see a different kind of God in the Bible. They see a God who will not let any creature suffer forever. They see a God in the Bible who will change every second of everyone's suffering into something better that it happened, including the sufferings of Satan. I learned that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. I read dozens of books, and listened to hundreds of tapes by men who believe this way and I gradually became converted to believing this way myself. Since 1981, through my newspaper ads and my telephone ministry, I have sent out many hundreds of packets of literature explaining why I believe as I do. I have also sent this evidence to hundreds of pastors and Bible school teachers. None of them have told me that they are able to refute it. I have also read eight books that were supposed to refute the evidence in favor of universalism, but none of them do. Because of this evidence, my panic attacks became less frequent until twelve years after my breakdown they ceased altogether. Now nothing gives me greater pleasure than to make this evidence available to others who have suffered because of the same problem I had even though they have embraced Christ and His gospel for themselves, and I use a substantial amount of my money and time to this end. Because of the enormous amount of suffering the idea of "endless hell" causes in this world, I am asking you to consider the possibility that you should stop endorsing the idea that the Bible teaches it. Or, at least, let others know that there are (and have been in centuries past) people who do not think the Bible teaches it. Many of the responses from pastors and teachers range from a mild: "The majority don't agree with you so you must be wrong", to the vicious "For every week you leave your ad in the papers, God will increase the temperature of the fires of hell for you personally". Most are somewhere in between these remarks. But none have told me they are able to refute the evidence. And, until they can, they will not be able to stop me from sharing the good news that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. A website that answers all the arguments that seem to support the idea that the Bible teaches endless suffering in hell is TENTMAKER. Although forum rules prevent me from posting forum links, you can easily Google it up. The “scholar’s corner” under “research” deals with every aspect of the subject. The more than 600 page search engine at the top of this same TENTMAKER front page is also very comprehensive regarding this subject. Just type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage, and ten articles will appear that refute the eternal hell and annihilation doctrines. I am also going to guide you all to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html Or, you can also Google up ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE You can access my forum through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt. It may well be that a few members of this form or surfers will be able to benefit from the testimonies of Charles and myself. May God's blessing rest with your spirit! From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada “That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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| Subject: Salvation | |
Author: Pahu [Edit] |
Date Posted: 14:52:29 01/01/07 Mon My understanding of salvation, as revealed by God in His inspired word, is that we are all sinners on the way to the lake of fire and annihilation. Jesus Christ died in our place so that we would have the opportunity to escape eternal death and receive the free gift of eternal life. Even though salvation is free, we have to fulfill a condition. We must repent of our sins (lawbreaking (1Jhn. 3:4)), submit to Him as Lord, and obey His Ten Commandment Law, which is the foundation of righteousness. God will not allow anyone in heaven who will not obey Him. Since Jesus Christ is the only name under heaven given to mankind through Whom we will receive the free gift of eternal life (Acts 4:12), there is no other religion that can save us. The Law cannot save anyone. Salvation only comes through the fact that Jesus shed His blood in our place. He suffered our punishment so we would not have to. Salvation is offered as a free gift. We can do nothing to earn it. We must, however, fulfill the condition of repenting of our sins, submitting to Him as Lord, and obeying His Ten Commandment Law. Salvation is free. Repentance, submission to Jesus as LORD, and obedience to His Ten Commandments is a condition we must meet. Think of it this way: Suppose your rich uncle said he would give you a million dollars if you would quit smoking for a year. Your uncle earned the million dollars. Quitting smoking is a condition. The money is free if you fulfill the condition. Quitting smoking will never “earn” you a million dollars. Here are some verses that seem to support my understanding of salvation: “If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). “Repent (and each of you be baptized) in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38). “The mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so…However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him” (Romans 8:7,9). “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him” (John 3:36[NASB]). “He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation” (Hebrews 5:9). So it seems that we can conclude that IF WE WOULD ENTER ETERNAL LIFE, WE MUST REPENT OF OUR SINS, SUBMIT TO JESUS CHRIST AS LORD, AND OBEY HIS TEN COMMANDMENT LAW. If we do not obey Him, He is not our Lord. If He is not our Lord He cannot be our Savior. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Jesus Said | |
Author: Pahu [Edit] |
Date Posted: 16:03:06 12/11/06 Mon “But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT …then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven” (Mark 13:24,26,27) Can a good, honest, sane man say this? Can God say this? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: what I wish I had known during my youth | |
Author: Rodger Tutt [Edit] |
Date Posted: 18:23:32 12/05/06 Tue My name is Rodger Tutt. I am 68 years old. I could have avoided a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown had I known as a youth about the following information concerning what a correctly (literally, not interpretively) Bible teaches. You can access my website through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt. BOOKS THAT SHOW THAT THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION, THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF WHICH CAN BE READ ONLINE 1. HOPE BEYOND HELL - Gerry Beauchemin (recently published) http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/index.html 2. CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm 3. THE BIBLE HELL - J.W. Hanson http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html 4. THE ORIGON AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT – Thomas Thayer http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html 5. THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – Dr. Loyal Hurley http://www.tentmaker.org/books/infinitegrace.htm 6. JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN "HELL" - J. Preston Eby http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/hell.htm 7. ONE HUNDRED SCRIPTURAL PROOFS THAT JESUS CHRIST WILL SAVE ALL MANKIND - Thomas Whittemore http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html 8. TWENTY-FOUR SERMONS ON UNIVERSAL SALVATION – John Bovee Dods http://www.tentmaker.org/Bovee2.htm#Top 9. THE SECOND DEATH AND THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – Andrew Jukes http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm 10. ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY REASONS FOR BELIEVING IN THE FINAL SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND – Erasmus Manford http://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html 11. THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS – J. Patching http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.html 12. BIBLE TRANSLATIONS THAT DO NOT TEACH ETERNAL TORMENT – Gary Amirault http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html 13. AION – AIONIOS – John Wesley Hanson http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html 14. BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED – John Wesley Hanson http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html 15. THE CASE OF JUDAS, ETCETERA http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter16.html 16. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL – John Essex AND THE ROLE OF THE ADVERSARY – James Webb http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TheProblemofEvil.html 17. HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE – James Coram http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: my testimony | |
Author: Rodger Tutt [Edit] |
Date Posted: 18:22:30 12/05/06 Tue You can access my testimony through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt. Because my testimony is helping so many people, I am posting it here so it will stay on your front page for awhile if that's ok with you. The many entries in my guest book that is accessible towards the bottom of the front page on my site, and the many positive emails in my email file folders, show that the content of my testimony is helping many people. http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ (nothing for sale on this site) MY TESTIMONY The idea that God lets any creature suffer endlessly has caused me more suffering than all other problems of my life combined. By the time I had reached the mission field I had hoped to have found a satisfactory answer that would justify God allowing this to happen. I didn't find such an answer. Surrounded by thousands of people, dozens of whom were dying every day and beginning an eternity of suffering in hell was too much for me. In 1966, at age 28, it caused me to have a nervous breakdown. For several weeks I was confined to my bed in a state of terror night and day. The terror was caused by the fear of what a God I could not love or respect would do to me after I died. It took me twelve years to fully recover from the breakdown. I quickly became agnostic, for the Christian gospel and the Bible were no longer any comfort to me at all. Many evangelical friends tried to help me. They meant well, but in the end they all had only words of condemnation towards me. This added more suffering to my already intense suffering. Gradually I began to learn that there have been, in centuries past, and still are today, a few people in the world that see a different kind of God in the Bible. They see a God who will not let any creature suffer forever. They see a God in the Bible who will change every second of everyone's suffering into something better that it happened, including the sufferings of Satan. I learned that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. I read dozens of books, and listened to hundreds of tapes by men who believe this way and I gradually became converted to believing this way myself. Since 1981, through my newspaper ads and my telephone ministry, I have sent out many hundreds of packets of literature explaining why I believe as I do. I have also sent this evidence to hundreds of pastors and Bible school teachers. None of them have told me that they are able to refute it. I have also read eight books that were supposed to refute the evidence in favor of universalism, but none of them do. Because of this evidence, my panic attacks became less frequent until twelve years after my breakdown they ceased altogether. Now nothing gives me greater pleasure than to make this evidence available to others who have suffered because of the same problem I had even though they have embraced Christ and His gospel for themselves, and I use a substantial amount of my money and time to this end. Because of the enormous amount of suffering the idea of "endless hell" causes in this world, I am asking you to consider the possibility that you should stop endorsing the idea that the Bible teaches it. Or, at least, let others know that there are (and have been in centuries past) people who do not think the Bible teaches it. Many of the responses from pastors and teachers range from a mild: "The majority don't agree with you so you must be wrong", to the vicious "For every week you leave your ad in the papers, God will increase the temperature of the fires of hell for you personally". Most are somewhere in between these remarks. But none have told me they are able to refute the evidence. And, until they can, they will not be able to stop me from sharing the good news that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. A website that answers all the arguments that seem to support the idea that the Bible teaches endless suffering in hell is TENTMAKER. Although forum rules prevent me from posting forum links, you can easily Google it up. The “scholar’s corner” under “research” deals with every aspect of the subject. The more than 600 page search engine at the top of this same TENTMAKER front page is also very comprehensive regarding this subject. Just type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage, and ten articles will appear that refute the eternal hell and annihilation doctrines. I am also going to guide you all to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html You can access my testimony through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt. It may well be that a few members of this form or surfers will be able to benefit from the testimonies of Charles and myself. May God's blessing rest with your spirit! From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada “That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Messianic Prophecy | |
Author: Pahu [Edit] |
Date Posted: 14:33:23 11/21/06 Tue “Your Will Be done” Prophecy The Lord GOD has opened My ear, and I was not rebellious, nor did I turn away. Isaiah 50:5 Fulfillment He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, “O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.” Matthew 26:42 This is only one of hundreds of prophecies recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures fulfilled by Jesus Christ who came to atone for the sins of everyone so that we can have a living, eternal relationship with the one and only true, living, creator God of everything and everyone. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Fulfilled Bible Prophecy | |
Author: Pahu [Edit] |
Date Posted: 16:43:22 11/15/06 Wed The Jews would live many days without a king Bible passage: Hosea 3:4-5 Prophet: Hosea Written: about 750 BC Fulfilled: Being fulfilled since AD 70 In Hosea 3:4-5, the prophet said that the people of the Holy Land had turned away from God and would therefore live many days without a king and without the ability to worship in the way that the people were accustomed, such as by being able to offer sacrifices in the Temple. After this, Hosea said, the people would be able to return to their homeland and seek the Lord. This prophecy is two-fold. It includes a promise of desolation followed by a promise of restoration. The desolation took place in 70 AD when the Romans destroyed the Temple and in 135 AD when many Jews were forced out of their homeland. During the past 100 years, however, millions of Jews have returned to their homeland and re-established Israel as an independent country. Can man accurately reveal the future? Can God? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Jesus is God | |
Author: Pahu [Edit] |
Date Posted: 11:35:54 10/06/06 Fri “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, just as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not have it!” (Luke 13:34) If we would enter eternal life, we must repent of our sins, submit to Jesus Christ as Lord and obey His Ten Commandment Law. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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| Subject: The One True God - A 10 Minute Audio Message | |
Author: Cecil Spivey [Edit] |
Date Posted: 12:24:00 09/04/06 Mon There is so much confusion about The One True God today. I have a 10 minute audio message below. Just click on the link below and be sure to turn your speakers on. The One True God [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: cheap shopping | |
Author: cheap shopping [Edit] |
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| Subject: cheap wholesale | |
Author: cheap wholesale [Edit] |
Date Posted: 01:15:28 06/23/06 Fri I feel like a complete blank. Eh. I haven't gotten anything done these days. More or less nothing seems worth bothering with. Not much on my mind lately. Shrug. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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| Subject: buy many thing here | |
Author: buy many thing here [Edit] |
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| Subject: Nick | |
Author: Nick [Edit] |
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| Subject: Bedbeger | |
Author: Bedbeger [Edit] |
Date Posted: 20:36:27 04/09/06 Sun I really appreciate Ms. Frizzle's thoughts; I wish that we had her school's culture of collegiality in our California junior high school. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Salvation FREE and Eternal | |
Author: Cecil Spivey [Edit] |
Date Posted: 06:28:41 06/23/05 Thu Salvation FREE and Eternal By – Cecil Spivey But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:15-18 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:27-29 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Acts 13:38-39 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Acts 16:31 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:1 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:33-39 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:6 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1 Cor. 15:1-5 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph. 2:8-9 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:13 ONLY ONE CROSS FOR ALL DISPENSATIONS Now it is quite true that God has different ages and dispensations and different programs with people but none of the dispensational or racial differences in any way affect the "gospel of Christ" that was foreordained for the salvation of any member of Adam's family that would "call upon the name of the Lord". Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21; Rom. 10:13; Acts 10:43; 15:10-11; 13:38-39. (Please honestly read these.) Though all penitent believers in Christ have His death baptism and His burial and resurrection put to their credit. P. S. If all the above Scriptures does not teach that the True Believer has Eternal life now and can not lose it. God’s word has no meaning. If you could loose Salvation, you could not be saved again no more than you can be born into the human family two times. You are born into the human family only once and you are born into God’s family only once. Read: Paul’s Gospel Faith Alone in Christ Alone = Salvation [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Florida Bible College | |
Author: Dr. Towns [Edit] |
Date Posted: 13:30:40 06/14/05 Tue www.trumpetofthelord.com www.floridabiblecollege.org 6-14-05 For Immediate Release: Florida Bible College has re-started. Florida Bible College is a religiously oriented, private, coeducational Bible College that was founded in 1962.Florida Bible College has been re-opened. THE NEED for FBC TODAY IS GREAT. The new board of trustees for Florida Bible College have set into motion a ten year plan and process to re-establish Florida Bible College as a world leader in the crystal clear gospel and solid biblical Education that you can trust. They are believing God for a bright future for FBC! The need is greater today than it ever has been in the past for Florida Bible College. We need your help, prayers and donations to see to it that the "Word of God NEVER leaves the halls of Florida Bible College". Why do we need Florida Bible College? Because the FBC mission is one too great to allow to die. So many lives have been changed for the better for Jesus Christ because of Florida Bible College. Florida Bible College is a school that you can trust. People need Florida Bible College more than ever because FBC was founded on the teachings of the Bible, not man's opinions. FBC lives what it preaches! FBC students are encouraged to have a personal relationship with Jesus, to live a Christian lifestyle, to be productive members of society and local Bible believing churches, to learn the Bible and use it properly, to build healthy relationships with others, and to develop and live by a proper Christian ethic with honor. Pastors today desire students who are well trained in formal biblical Education for preparation to serve in Christian service in the ministry. Florida Bible College provides solid trustworthy well rounded biblical Education based on the Bible , with high standards of accademic excellence. FBC desires to see its graduates trained to reach a lost and dying world through aggressive evangelism and discipleship. Today their are an estimated 4-5 billion people on earth who remain unsaved. FBC is once again needed to boldly proclaim its crystal clear gospel message to reach as many of these billions for Christ who are lost as we can. Sadly, FBC was closed from 1996-2003. In 2003 a ten year process was prayerfully started to restore and re-open Florida Bible College. Florida Bible College was officialy and legally re-opened under the IRS tax code 508 guidelines with the blessings of its founder and retired President Emeritus Dr. A. Ray Stanford on December 14th, 2004. A new board of trustees was established in the fall of 2004 for Florida Bible College, made up of Florida Bible College graduates, sucsessful buisinessmen and leaders of ministries and not for profit organizations. Florida Bible College is a living family of faith, and it is a living organism that exists to: Have a heart for lost people that witnesses to the lost with zeal and shows God's love, forgiveness and compassion to them. FBC faculty , staff and students share with love and compassion the crystal clear gospel with those who are not saved, and trains those who are saved in personal evangelism to be effective soul winners.FBC exists to share the good news of Jesus Christ's death on the cross for each persons sin, and that if we shalt repent of our sins(Change our mind, but not "turn from sin" as all Christians sin, and it is impossible in our old nature/sinful body to 100% turn from sin to the point where we no longer sin, this will not happen until we receive our new bodies after the rapture or after we die),confess,and place our faith in the Lord (We must believe that Jesus himself is Lord God to truly be saved ) Jesus Christ alone, plus or minus nothing, that we can know for sure that we are going to go to heaven when we die. And that is great news! Salvation has been offered to everyone!No matter what we have done, if we will change our minds from unbelief to belief, confess that Jesus Christ is himself the Lord God, and believe that Christ died on the cross and arose from the dead for our sins we can and will be forever saved. Once we are saved we are always saved. We can not lose our salvation, but we also do not have a license to sin. FBC does not believe that saved people have a license to sin, and FBC does not allow its students or faculty to live in sin doing unbiblical things such as to drink alcoholic beverages, use illegal drugs, smoke, or participate in adultry. Once a person accepts the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior, Florida Bible College disciples and mentors them, and helps them find and join a solid local Bible believing church. FBC is a missions minded school that exists to support missions work and missionaries. FBC believes that only men should be prepared to be senior pastors, but it respects a womans needed role in ministry, and thus prepares both men and women to do the work of the ministry. FBC exists to have healthy relationships with local bible believing churches , and FBC exists to be church planters and supporters of church growth in existing churches. FBC students are doers of the word, not just hearers of the word only. Florida Bible College does not believe that Christian service is a an option for those who are saved, and FBC students serve God not to be saved, but because the saved are called to Christian service, which is the duty of every person who is saved. FBC students not only learn from text books, but they also make practical applications of doing what they learn in class in local churches, ministries and missions. Florida Bible College teaches the crystal clear message of salvation which is offered to all people not just to a called out special select few; the verbal , plenarily, inspired, inerannt word of God; the virgin birth, sinless life ,substitutionary death, physical resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead; and pretribulational , premillenial coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. The views expressed at Florida Bible College are those which are found in the Bible, not man's opinion. Florida Bible College admits students of any race, color, national and ethnic origin. www.floridabiblecollege.org [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: MY TURDS ARE MIGHTY | |
Author: MY TURDS ARE AWESOME [Edit] |
Date Posted: 11:39:27 02/21/04 Sat FUCK ALL OF YOU AND FUCK THIS SILLY MESSAGEBOARD. JESUS WAS A ONE-LEGGED PUSSYFACED BITCH. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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| Subject: Christian trumpeter Dr.Michael E.Schmidt trumpet high notes | |
Author: Jason [Edit] |
Date Posted: 10:20:20 11/01/04 Mon Dr. Michael E.Schmidt has played the QUINT C on a trumpet before , that is four octaves ABOVE the C that is above the staff!!! SHAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAM!!! That is THREE octaves above the famed Super C or if you want to call it the Dubba C, that is three octaves above the famed Dubba C. Dr. Michael E.Schmidt plays the highest note ever played on a trumpet. WOW!!!! You gotta hear Dr. Michael E. Schmidt the legend of extreme high note trumpet playing live for yourself. And the good Doc even answers his phone. Dr. Schmidt is humble and he will help out anyone. I have phoned Dr. Michael E. Schmidt for trumpet playing high note advice/help many times. Doc is very helpful so if high note trumpet playing is what you are looking for invite him to play in your church and hear Doc Schmidt the world's most extreme trumpet high note player for yourself!!! You can decide. ZOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Michael E. Schmidt is the world's most extreme trumpet player.If you want to play high notes on a trumpet you should contact Dr.Michael E.Schmidt of the Trumpet of the Lord Ministries in Athens, TN at: 423-507-9970. Dr. Michael E. Schmidt is the loudest trumpet player in the world. No trumpet player is as extreme as Dr. Michael E. Schmidt who is famous around the world for his extreme trumpet high notes. Those wanting to learn how to play high notes on a trumpet can learn well from Dr.Michael E.Schmidt who is the king of high note trumpet playing. Dr.Michael E. Schmidt is willing to teach anyone who wants to know how to play high notes on a trumpet, and those wanting to learn how to play high notes on a trumpet should learn from Dr.michael E.Schmidt of the Trumpet of the lord Ministries: www.trumpetofthelord.com Dr.Michael E. Schmidt has taught me how to play high notes on a trumpet. Dr. Michael E. Schmidt`s new concert program features the highest notes that have ever been played on a trumpet. Michael`s bizarre unconventional trumpet playing has the whole trumpet world in an uproar as Michael plays notes on a trumpet higher then they have ever been played or even attempted before. Michael is unafraid to bring the trumpet into an extreme range where it has never been before. This will be the first time that Michael has ever ministered before in public with his new dynamic range 9 minute long worship song called "Holy is the Lord". With Michael`s new song {Holy is the Lord} you will see Michael play the Lord`s Horns with a new, exciting and refreshing level of worship like he has never done before. Michael worships and gives praise to the Lord Jesus Christ with seven different horns all in the same song. Highlights of {Holy is the Lord} include a special section where Michael plays small and large bore piccolo trumpets. Michael also shows his talents to play many different brass instruments as he plays a baritone horn for the first time. For those of you who have been waiting to hear Michael play some of the highest notes that have ever been played before on a trumpet, now is a chance to hear Michael play in the world`s most extreme trumpet range. To schedule Michael to minister to your church or civic event call: 423-507-9970. Schedule popular Evangelist, Bible teacher and preacher Dr. Michael E. Schmidt for your next event and give your people a chance to hear the trumpet player famous around the world for playing the highest notes that have ever been played before on a trumpet. If you want to play high notes on a trumpet you should contact Dr.Michael E.Schmidt of the Trumpet of the Lord Ministries in Athens, TN at: 423-507-9970. Those wanting to learn how to play high notes on a trumpet can learn well from Dr.Michael E.Schmidt who is the king of high note trumpet playing. Dr.Michael E. Schmidt is willing to teach anyone who wants to know how to play high notes on a trumpet, and those wanting to learn how to play high notes on a trumpet should learn from Dr.michael E.Schmidt of the Trumpet of the lord Ministries: www.trumpetofthelord.com Dr.Michael E. Schmidt has taught me how to play high notes on a trumpet. Dr. Michael E. Schmidt`s new concert program features the highest notes that have ever been played on a trumpet. Michael`s bizarre unconventional trumpet playing has the whole trumpet world in an uproar as Michael plays notes on a trumpet higher then they have ever been played or even attempted before. Michael is unafraid to bring the trumpet into an extreme range where it has never been before. This will be the first time that Michael has ever ministered before in public with his new dynamic range 9 minute long worship song called "Holy is the Lord". With Michael`s new song {Holy is the Lord} you will see Michael play the Lord`s Horns with a new, exciting and refreshing level of worship like he has never done before. Michael worships and gives praise to the Lord Jesus Christ with seven different horns all in the same song. Highlights of {Holy is the Lord} include a special section where Michael plays small and large bore piccolo trumpets. Michael also shows his talents to play many different brass instruments as he plays a baritone horn for the first time. For those of you who have been waiting to hear Michael play some of the highest notes that have ever been played before on a trumpet, now is a chance to hear Michael play in the world`s most extreme trumpet range. To schedule Michael to minister to your church or civic event call: 423-507-9970. Dr. Michael E.Schmidt is a graduate of Florida Bible College known for his solid biblicaly based Bible doctrines and sermons. Schedule popular Evangelist, Bible teacher and preacher Dr. Michael E. Schmidt for your next event and give your people a chance to hear the trumpet player famous around the world for playing the highest notes that have ever been played before on a trumpet. You can ee his website at: www.trumpetofthelord.com 4235079970 trumpetofthelord@yahoo.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Prayer Request | |
Author: Dick Streeter [Edit] |
Date Posted: 20:07:06 01/28/04 Wed Hi All from the Newbie! I have a prayer request and it is bothering me to death. I have a boss that really bothers you, harrasses us and you can never do anything right in his eyes. I am not the only one he shows this too and the employees say that he has no heart at all. He will not even say hi or acknowledge you as he walks down the hall. If you have ever seen the movie, Patch Adams, then you can see what he is like. The hospital administrator is just like him. He will nit-pick you to death and there is no allowance for kids (in our school) to just be kids and do kid things. They have to be little robots. If they don't act as he thinks they should, then he blames US for their actions. This guy is really messed up and I have lived with it for 10 years now and I am at the end. Before I do other things or take other avenues, I ask that you pray for this situation and ask God to get to back-off. Not a very poetic request but an honest one! My next step is going to have to be an attorney so before I go to that drastic measure, please pray for this. Thanks!! In Christ, Dr. Dick Streeter [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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| Subject: Thank you for stopping by | |
Author: Christiane [Edit] |
Date Posted: 08:30:53 01/27/04 Tue If you are reading this message and are not a member of "Storms of Life" I would like to encourage you to come and join us, you will see the blessings our ministry has brought others. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: visions from Jesus Christ | |
Author: bob [Edit] |
Date Posted: 17:14:40 12/13/03 Sat in these visions recieved on 11-28-2003-in he first, I saw an animated map of the western half of america and the ocean, and going from top to bottom along the west coast and at about the midway point was dark stripes. then in a second vision, I saw the eatern coast, and there was a dark stripe going from top to bottom. I asked Jesus what this meant, and here is what I heard, "this represents fire"-from the oceans -http://www.ministryofdreams.freeservers.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Please visit the "Believers in Christ" Forum. Lively Christian Dialogue http://www.voy.com/131781/ | |
Author: Brother Bubba [Edit] |
Date Posted: 10:30:12 12/19/03 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| Subject: Welcome | |
Author: For His Glory [Edit] |
Date Posted: 16:41:16 10/19/03 Sun May God bless all who enter and may HE always lead you in HIS ways [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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