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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 03, 10:17:52am
Author: ST
Author Host/IP: 12-222-64-101.client.insightBB.com / 12.222.64.101
Subject: "You never caught me in a lie"
In reply to: Queer 's message, ""Queer, desperate for revenge for all the times I proved him a liar beyond a shadow of a doubt"" on Wednesday, March 03, 08:00:32am

Queer finally admitted he lied when he wrote the following:
As I recall, ST defended the molestation of an underage minor by a legal adult not too long ago.
A while back, we discussed a case where a 17 year old had a sexual relationship with an adult. While the girl was technically a minor, I argued that it should not be considered molestation because 17 is old enough to make moral decisions and take responsibility for one's actions.

I did, however, strongly criticize the morality of the situation. I strongy condemned the adult for his role in the relationship. In other words, I did not "defend" the act. Queer Liar knows this, but why does he leave out this critical fact? Because Queer Liar does not care if what he is saying is factual or not. If he did, he wouldn't be Queer Liar.

Following is the post (which was also posted here) that Queer Liar refers to.
The Salem, Oregon Statesman Journal reports that "A New York City police officer has married the former Corvallis High School student he is accused of sexually abusing." Matthew De Gennaro, 32, was charged with sexually abusing a 17-year-old girl about a year ago.

This case raises questions about the age of consent. De Gennaro is charged with "using a child in a display of sexually explicit conduct and encouraging child sexual abuse." While De Gennaro's actions were sick and wrong, I am not sure they qualify as "abuse" as the acts were consensual. Did he take advantage of her? Possibly, but she is of an age where she knows the difference between right and wrong and was close to being a legal adult. Does one year really make that much of a difference? While De Gennaro's actions were morally reprehensible, I'm not convinced that this case merits criminal prosecution, nor do I think a 17-year-old should be classified as a "child". Had she been 15, the case for criminal charges would have been stronger.
Hmm. "Sick and wrong." "Morally reprehensible." Doesn't hardly seem that I was "defending" it at all, does it?

Flash forward several days, and Queer, after a massive beating at my hands, finally admits that he brazenly lied.
You did indeed invoke your "moral" outrage against it, but poo-pooed the legality of it.
Well, it's about time, Queer. Yes, I did condemn the adult for his immoral behavior.

As to the second part of your statement: are you so stupid as to not comprehend that someone can believe something is morally repugnant and yet take a libertarian stance on the matter?

A 17 year old is old enough to be a moral agent, to take responsibility for her own actions. The way I see it, this was a matter between the two of them that the government does not have a legitimate interest in prosecuting.

That does not mean I defend the act itself. In fact, I strongly condemned it.

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