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Subject: Kiss Sightings Author: Sue G. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:55:52 09/12/07 Wed Does anyone remember the scene in Oliver Twist where Bill and Nancy are in the tavern and Bill has his arm around Nancy? I think they are singing. I believe that Bill leaned over and gave her a kiss on the cheek. I'll have to check that out again. I know they were pretty close but he either kissed her or their faces were just so close that I thought that he kissed her. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:37:24 09/12/07 Wed i don't remember that part. Well that's cold, love one minute and then murder her the next! I hated the ending of that movie, why did they have to kil him?!?! That's just mean =`~{ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Jenny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:49:30 09/13/07 Thu Oh, yeah, I remember that scene in the tavern. From the angle, it's hard to tell whether he give her a little peck on the cheek or not. But I don't think he did. Of course, Sikes really isn't the romantic type, but it could have proved an interesting element - given that RN's characterization of Sikes explored deeper than just the rough exterior. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:22:38 09/14/07 Fri There was another scene in OT that I kind of thought was out of character for Sykes. The scene where Nancy confronts Fagin, in his lair, and at the end she passes-out? Well, did you notice how 'gently' Sykes picks her up and carries her in the other room and tries to revive her? I thought that showed a little different side of Sykes. Of course, they immediately moved to another scene at that point. You know, after I thought about it, I'm now wondering if Nancy didn't plant a kiss on Sykes in the tavern scene. On his cheek. Maybe I'll finally get to watch that scene this weekend. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:35:54 09/13/07 Thu I put a hold on Oliver Twist at my library and I'm going to pick it up in a few minutes so I'll watch it and tell you, being that I'm always looking at those beautiful lips, daydreaming you know. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:34:53 09/13/07 Thu i got it so I'll watch it tonight, k? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:53:22 09/13/07 Thu Somehow, with Bill Sikes, I can more easily picture him grabbing Nancy and planting a big sloppy wet one on her mouth! But we'll just have to watch and find out. ;-) Hey, Sue, did you get my e-mail? I remember somebody saying they were changing their e-mail address recently, but it's been such a bad week, I can't remember who. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:35:52 09/14/07 Fri No, Susan, I didn't change my email address. I'm sorry I will answer your emails this weekend, it's just been so busy and I've been so tired that I haven't even been getting on my computer at night. Maybe a couple of times this week just to check out my email real quick. But I don't think I've gotten on for a couple of nights. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:48:31 09/14/07 Fri Don't blame you! OK, just making sure I still had your right address. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:57:26 09/13/07 Thu Ha yeah! that would have been nice for Kay Walsh i bet, but since she was married to the director that might not have worked out so swell. didn't she play Queenie in This Happy Breed? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:06:07 09/13/07 Thu *sigh* Oliver Twist, not one of my favs, but I'll watch the rest tomorrow. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:19:28 09/13/07 Thu Yes, she played Queenie, his daughter ... even though she was only nine years younger than him in real life. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:04:28 09/14/07 Fri really? She looked about my age, about 18, 19. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:49:00 09/15/07 Sat Wiat, how old was he in THB? maybe in his 40's, wow, she doesn't look that old AT ALL [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Oliver Twist Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:55:35 09/17/07 Mon Here's the screencap Sue sent me from Oliver Twist: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.mooncove.com/newton/images/oliver/">http://www.mooncove.com/newton/images/oliver/</a> [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:23:43 09/17/07 Mon I don't think it's a kiss, i can see his lips and they're not touching her face.But, it looks like he's thinking about it pretty hard. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:36:43 09/18/07 Tue Right, that's what Sue said: "OK, I looked at the scene in OT and there was no actual kiss that I could see. Nancy kind of puts her face into his neck and he looks as if he is about to give her a peck on the cheek but he never does it." (He seems to have a thing for girls named Nancy--Nancy in "Oliver Twist," Nancy in "Hatter's Castle" ... any others?) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:38:12 09/18/07 Tue yeah, that's funny, sorta like Lisa Marie Presley and Michael's, she's been married to three of them! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Sang [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:08:45 09/24/07 Mon I finally got to see The Beachcomber, it's such good movie! I love the ending, they get married! I'm kinda sappy for a 16 year old boy aren't I? LOL RN's great, no question about it! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:04:58 09/24/07 Mon Aww, Sang's goin' soft! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:12:46 09/26/07 Wed Naw, Sang's just got good taste! :-) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:52:42 09/26/07 Wed haha, he used to have a crush on Purity when we were little, and he was jealous of Long John! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Sang [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:18:44 09/26/07 Wed I could tell a few childhood secrets about Mrs. Robert Newton too! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:25:45 09/26/07 Wed You would Stay on subject! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:35:58 09/26/07 Wed You know, that's kind of like "what?" in Oliver Twist, first we think he kissed her then he ends up murdering her. I'm mean like, what's the point of loving on her if you're just gonna kill her? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:35:19 09/26/07 Wed Unfortunately, it happens everyday somewhere in real life, where a woman is killed by her husband, boyfriend, ex..whatever! Remember in OT that Nancy was Sykes girlfriend. So I imagine that they were romantic at some point in their relationship (as sick as it appeared). [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:25:26 09/26/07 Wed Best book I ever read on how a woman gets drawn into that cycle of abuse: "The Woman Who Walked Into Doors" by Roddy Doyle. Most amazing thing about it is it's written by a man but convincingly narrated from the p.o.v. of the abused woman. (Definitely an adult book though. Lots of crude language in addition to the abuse. I found it hard to get into at first, but if you stick with it, it makes more sense.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:01:58 09/27/07 Thu Aww, yea, I just remember she was his girlfriend. I forget about that part, but wasn't Sykes drunk when he killed her, something was wrong with him wasn't there? Yea, that kinda sux, but at the same time it's really sick when they kill him at the end, I started crying!!!!! Sang's like "but he's the bad guy, you knew he was gonna die." me "*sniffle*, *sob*" Oh, well, does he ever get married in any of them besides The Beachcomber and Baker of Barnbury? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:55:55 09/27/07 Thu Sykes thought that she had betrayed him and the group but she was just trying to get Oliver back to safety. She really didn't betray them. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:16:09 09/27/07 Thu Well do you count already married? Because he's already married in: Poison Pen Hatter's Castle Obsession This Happy Breed Waterfront High & the Mighty (I may have missed some, Susan?) But he does get married in 'Wings and the Woman'. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:48:03 09/27/07 Thu Oh yeah! I forgot about They Flew Alone! That's was funny though "D'you like me?" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:01:07 09/28/07 Fri Already married counts ... but are there kissing scenes in all those movies you listed?? (Imagined off-screen kisses don't count in this topic, I'm afraid.) Sang's right--he was an overall nasty guy in "Oliver Twist"; falling in love with unmitigated villains is a dangerous thing to do! Still, Robert Newton had that way of making you feel a little bit sorry for him. (He almost makes you think he feels guilty over killing Nancy ... until he tries to drown his dog as well! Still, I think if I had to be murdered, Newton's Bill Sikes is the one I'd want for the job. Either him or David Warner as Jack the Ripper in "Time After Time" ...) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:31:50 09/28/07 Fri bue Susan, it's so easy to fall in love with unmitigated villains, y'know, like Long John! I don't know, I don't think I'd really want to be murdered at all, He doesn't murder anyone in Major Barbara, does he? Who's he play? I forget, isn't it another Sikes? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:12:07 09/28/07 Fri Long John is a perfect example of a *mitigated* villain! He's a bad guy on the surface, but we forgive him because he refuses to hurt Jim, even gives up the treasure in the end. To the point where, when you get to the LJS series, he's not a villain at all, but a cuddly, lovably scruffy hero! Sikes is the opposite--if he has any redeeming qualities, he keeps them well hidden. No, Bill Walker didn't murder anyone. And the other "Bill Sykes" he plays is in "Soldiers Three." Anyway, I was just saying, if I *had* to be murdered ... (not that I *want* to be, but a guy like Robert Newton could give you fantasies about at least being his costar in the movie!). That came from an online chat topic from about ten years ago in the David Warner group ... we were being silly, and someone came up with the question, "What David Warner character do you most want to be killed by?" I was actually joining the chat from an Internet class, and the teacher caught me chatting! Luckily, he was a David Warner fan too, so I mentioned it was David Warner's birthday that day--it was--asked him the question, and he said Jack the Ripper ... "because you know David Warner would never *really* hurt you." Same thing with Bob. In fact, you know the story about him and Deborah Kerr, don't you? The scene in "Major Barbara" where he socks her in the jaw? They had to do retake after retake because Bob didn't want to hurt her, and the director kept saying it didn't look real. Deborah told him to just go ahead and hit her; it would be less painful than doing take after take. So reluctantly he did ... and then almost ruined the scene by trying to catch her and make sure she was alright! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Jenny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:02:10 09/29/07 Sat Hi everyone, I'm back! (...when you get to the LJS series, he's not a villain at all, but a cuddly, lovably scruffy hero!) Ain't that the truth! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. (Sikes is the opposite--if he has any redeeming qualities, he keeps them well hidden.) RN's performance in OT truly frightened me. That scene where he tries to drown Bullseye was so unsettling. The makeup on him in that scene is so spooky. I much prefer the Sykes in 'Soldier's Three'! That film was too funny! (The scene in "Major Barbara" where he socks her in the jaw? They had to do retake after retake because Bob didn't want to hurt her, and the director kept saying it didn't look real. Deborah told him to just go ahead and hit her; it would be less painful than doing take after take. So reluctantly he did ... and then almost ruined the scene by trying to catch her and make sure she was alright!) Aww, how incredibly sweet! Now I'll have to watch Major Barbara again. I love how at first Walker seems like a tough guy, only to reveal that he's just an angry young man who's had a hard life. He's so handsome as Bill Walker. His scrappy wardrobe is great. And that cap is so cute on him. Again, an awesome job by makeup and wardrobe. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:50:22 09/29/07 Sat No, I've never heard that before. I bet he would have felt so bad it he even left a small red mark. That's sorta like something Sang did, we were in drama class last year and in one play he had to push me to the ground and I had to just lay there. Every time we practiced it he would push me and I would lay on the floor like I was suppose to, but then he'd rush over and pick me up. The night OF the play he didn't it and I fell the wrong way, my back was suppose to hit the floor before my head did, but my head hit first. He didn't the scene just fine, and he tought we both did it right, until he saw me sitting backstage with ice on my head. He touhgt that he had done it and he started crying. But, no I've never heard that before, that's kinda nice actually. Here he is all big and bad, but he would play punch a woman, because he's scared he'll hit her. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:45:04 09/30/07 Sun um.. in my last post where it says "The night OF the play he didn't it" it's suppose to be "The night OF the play he did it." Sorry, I didn't read it before I posted it because I was late for school. oops, i'm only human. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]